Inquirer, DN sue for Sandusky settlement records

[StinkStankStunk]

So you think JVP couldn't look worse? Think again. If its established that abuse reports were made to him in the 70s which he ignored you can forget about resurrecting the statue, forget about an "Honor Joe" day, forget about "Paterno Field at Beaver Stadium", forget about Peachy Paterno ice cream, and say adios to Paterno Library. That would be game, set, and match.

So, yes, it could get a lot worse. I hope it doesn't.

Listen....douchebag.....you STINK at this.

Absolutely, flat-out, dog-shit-on-the-bottom-of-an-old-tennis-shoe S...T...I...N...K

Just go fetch some coffee for the more competent trollers.......someday, maybe, if you really work hard at developing your skills, you can move up to JV Troll team.

Until then......just STFU

 

[crm114psu]

You cannot be serious. Is this another one of CR66's accounts?

No it isn't.

CR66 is Jim Carnes, everybody knows that. Even Tom Cullen knows that. C-R-6-6 spells Jim Carnes.

 

[Nellie R]

No it isn't.

CR66 is Jim Carnes, everybody knows that. Even Tom Cullen knows that. C-R-6-6 spells Jim Carnes.

Before you get accused of being a one-post troll who just joined Wednesday: Have you actually read the CR66 outing and the apology posted here to Carnes for thinking it was he? You really should demonstrate on a first post who you are and what you are about by introducing yourself and showing why you are speaking from a position of knowledge...

 

[mikemauti42]

Does everyone realize that nothing in these letters can be good for Penn State? These are settlement records coming from victims who were raped by Sandusky. These claims were not vetted by the University meaning we have no idea how legitimate these claims are, but we do know they were paid and in the court of Public opinion will mean everyone who is mentioned in these claims will be guilty in the court of public opinion. There will be disgusting accounts from Victims released. They might all be true. Half might be true. But, nothing will make you feel better about the situation. Penn State University tried to do the right thing by not fighting or questioning some of these claims and paying them, because they would have looked bad at the time doing so. Instead, they will look bad years later by paying them without any evidence.

 

[mhentz]

No it isn't.

CR66 is Jim Carnes, everybody knows that. Even Tom Cullen knows that. C-R-6-6 spells Jim Carnes.

Welcome back to the board, Zippy. Glad to have you back.

 

[Nellie R]

Does everyone realize that nothing in these letters can be good for Penn State? These are settlement records coming from victims who were raped by Sandusky. These claims were not vetted by the University meaning we have no idea how legitimate these claims are, but we do know they were paid and in the court of Public opinion will mean everyone who is mentioned in these claims will be guilty in the court of public opinion. There will be disgusting accounts from Victims released. They might all be true. Half might be true. But, nothing will make you feel better about the situation. Penn State University tried to do the right thing by not fighting or questioning some of these claims and paying them, because they would have looked bad at the time doing so. Instead, they will look bad years later by paying them without any evidence.

What "letters" please? Coming from ALLEGED V's who what? That's a whole lot of speculation right there... Offer up this documentation you seem to have intimate knowledge of.

Most people are not too worried about what effect it will have and would rather have the truth and let the chips fall where they may. What are you so afraid of?

 

[Aoshiro]

Does everyone realize that nothing in these letters can be good for Penn State? These are settlement records coming from victims who were raped by Sandusky. These claims were not vetted by the University meaning we have no idea how legitimate these claims are, but we do know they were paid and in the court of Public opinion will mean everyone who is mentioned in these claims will be guilty in the court of public opinion. There will be disgusting accounts from Victims released. They might all be true. Half might be true. But, nothing will make you feel better about the situation. Penn State University tried to do the right thing by not fighting or questioning some of these claims and paying them, because they would have looked bad at the time doing so. Instead, they will look bad years later by paying them without any evidence.

Well I, for one, would like to know if there's anything in there about victims (or their family members) complaining to people at The Second Mile.

 

[mikemauti42]

What "letters" please? Coming from ALLEGED V's who what? That's a whole lot of speculation right there... Offer up this documentation you seem to have intimate knowledge of.

Most people are not too worried about what effect it will have and would rather have the truth and let the chips fall where they may. What are you so afraid of?

Exactly, it is all speculation and alleged victims, but did you not just see what happened when "alleged victims" info came out? We will never know if any of the information in these documents is true. I can only guarantee 1 thing. the information that does come out will certainly not be a smoking gun. It will be accusations and things the media think Penn State could have prevented.

 

[elvis63]

Exactly, it is all speculation and alleged victims, but did you not just see what happened when "alleged victims" info came out? We will never know if any of the information in these documents is true. I can only guarantee 1 thing. the information that does come out will certainly not be a smoking gun. It will be accusations and things the media think Penn State could have prevented.

You're spot on.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Of course, WHATEVER is in those files will be used by the media to paint PSU/JVP etc etc in a bad light.

Who gives a flying F? That horse has already been beaten to death.

The only important thing is that EVERYONE be given access to the truth - or at least as much documentary evidence as possible - so that they can (if they so choose, and many will not) apply their own abilities to think and to reason and to analyze - - - - and come to the most logical possible interpretation of the "truth".


F the media.....and F worrying about the media
That whole deal "is what it is".

 

[zwick99]

Exactly, it is all speculation and alleged victims, but did you not just see what happened when "alleged victims" info came out? We will never know if any of the information in these documents is true. I can only guarantee 1 thing. the information that does come out will certainly not be a smoking gun. It will be accusations and things the media think Penn State could have prevented.

Which is why PSU should lose the file.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Which is why PSU should lose the file.

Just when people thought you couldn't get any stupider. LOL

 

[Misder2]

Which is why PSU should lose the file.

What are YOU afraid of?

 

[mikemauti42]

Which is why PSU should lose the file.

That's the dumbest idea ever. Nothing in those files will be factual evidence. All I am saying is that those thinking they are going to open a file and open a letter with Joepa did nothing wrong on it are going to be really disappointed. It will all be information pointing the finger at Penn State, Paterno, etc in order to get money for damages. Those damages may or may not be legit, but we will never know because Penn State did not look into them they just opened the wallet and paid.

 

[Misder2]

That's the dumbest idea ever. Nothing in those files will be factual evidence. All I am saying is that those thinking they are going to open a file and open a letter with Joepa did nothing wrong on it are going to be really disappointed. It will all be information pointing the finger at Penn State, Paterno, etc in order to get money for damages. Those damages may or may not be legit, but we will never know because Penn State did not look into them they just opened the wallet and paid.

A festering wound never heals

 

[Black Elmo 2]

That's the dumbest idea ever. Nothing in those files will be factual evidence. All I am saying is that those thinking they are going to open a file and open a letter with Joepa did nothing wrong on it are going to be really disappointed. It will all be information pointing the finger at Penn State, Paterno, etc in order to get money for damages. Those damages may or may not be legit, but we will never know because Penn State did not look into them they just opened the wallet and paid.

BINGO! (Even more frightening, perhaps Penn State's lawyers DID look further and believed those early claims to be quite credible. What then?)

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

My guess is that this ends up getting settled with a limited release and a ton of useful information redacted. In other words a whole lot of nothing

It sounds like you are referring to BOT Board meeting minutes.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Before you get accused of being a one-post troll who just joined Wednesday: Have you actually read the CR66 outing and the apology posted here to Carnes for thinking it was he? You really should demonstrate on a first post who you are and what you are about by introducing yourself and showing why you are speaking from a position of knowledge...

Now I'm flat out confused. Who is CR66?

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

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I doubt that this suit is going anywhere but why does it matter? What has the media done with the information they already have?

Here's the bigger question. The media already knows that the police and child protection agencies investigated 1998 and came up empty. So why do they blame Joe and PSU for what happened during that time? How many stories have you read that said forget Paterno, what's wrong with the child protection agencies? How many have you read that talked about a culture of corruption at TSM? After last week's shitstorm, how many wrote about how unlikely if would be that Paterno could have kept 3 different ADs and University Presidents (+ coaches and players) quiet for 40 years?

how unlikely if would be that Paterno could have kept 3 different ADs and University Presidents (+ coaches and players) quiet for 40 years?

And nowadays you'd also have about 45 Assistant Athletic Directors involved in the coverup loop....

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Exactly!!!! They are simply looking for anything with the word "Joe" so they can concoct another story. They have zero interest in what actually happened or you would at least see one article asking a few of the many legitimate questions we are asking. Starting with cys, dpw, and tsm

Hopefully no coffee drinkers talking about their favorite cup of Joe...

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

It sounds like you are referring to BOT Board meeting minutes.

Sadly that too.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

The school cannot move on until we have undone all of the false accusations of the past, correct the history and reconcile the truth. Then and only then will we move on. Not a second earlier. Enough is Enough

 

[Phil's Rug]

Now I'm flat out confused. Who is CR66?

It's buried in this thread somewhere, maybe one of the pages in the mid 30's or a little later

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/latest-in-paterno-v-ncaa.108531/

 

[Eurotrash1]

I can agree that nothing coming from these documents will shed a good light on the University. However, I see it as one more layer of the onion that you must remove to get to the next layer. Keep peeling until the truth is revealed.

 

[mhentz]

BINGO! (Even more frightening, perhaps Penn State's lawyers DID look further and believed those early claims to be quite credible. What then?)

According to Lubert, the exact opposite happened which is why all claims dating back to the 70s received about 10-20% of those claims deemed more credible. The lowest payout of all was $200K to one of the 70s claimants (most likely 1971). I believe it's illustrative that no one with claims from the 70s rejected the offer and stuck it out to "fight for justice" like Victim 6 and Victim 9 did. They all accepted the chump-change and scurried away......just sayin'. Of course, if you don't believe Lubert....then....{shrug}. Also illustrative is that the 1971 climant's lawyer refused to allow his client to be interviewed by the OAG. Willing to demand justice from Penn State but not willing to provide info that could possibly help take a predator off the streets....just sayin'.

 

[BlueBand]

I don't think the point of unsealing the files is there will be anything in there that makes PSU as a whole look better. I think that, if as assumed, some of the cases that were paid look very weak, then someone (press, lawmakers, public) starts asking why were they paid, sending people down a different rabbit hole, looking for who and why this was done (looking at you, Ira).

In the end, this probably isn't about totally absolving PSU, unless everything can be dumped in CYS lap. But, there's a difference in public perception between a football coach and university president who ignored child rape while promoting their pious football program and a fan base who cares more about football than child rape... and a couple of trustees covering up child rape and throwing a beloved coach and administrators under the bus to cover their own asses for whatever reason it turns out to be. It may not seem like it makes a difference, either way there was a coverup involving PSU officials, but in the public's mind there is, right or wrong. Where was the national outrage over the pedophile UPENN protected for awhike? There wasn't any, because it involved a professor, not the winningest football coach of a major program with a clean record, and no one put sports ahead of children.

 

[kentuckycb]

BINGO! (Even more frightening, perhaps Penn State's lawyers DID look further and believed those early claims to be quite credible. What then?)

Then nothing. Joe testified under oath he was never directly told of any other Sandusky behavior. That's it. I believe Joe over the allegation.

 

[colt21]

BINGO! (Even more frightening, perhaps Penn State's lawyers DID look further and believed those early claims to be quite credible. What then?)

Elmo you already know that isn't true
Why plant that seed? Forget that-I know why

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Elmo you already know that isn't true
Why plant that seed? Forget that-I know why

Elmo suffers from dementia?

 

[PSUCYCLING]

This is a very bad development for getting t

I can agree that nothing coming from these documents will shed a good light on the University. However, I see it as one more layer of the onion that you must remove to get to the next layer. Keep peeling until the truth is revealed.

This is going to add more and more layers to the onion. An attorney working for their client will make sure the filing has a link to PSU no matter how small. Paterno passing away made it easy to do this - the victim's claims can not be refuted. These fringe claims were not made to go to court, they were made to get a settlement. Unfortunately, the newspapers are too dumb or agenda driven to see these nuances.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Good, bad, or indifferent, we are powerless over the decision of whether this information is provided to these media outlets or not. No point arguing about how many angels can dance on a pin. But that aside, I think it's pretty hypocritical that many of the writers who work for these places made a living berating the PSU fan base for not caring enough (how you would do that to a degree that would satisfy them, I don't know) for four years, and now they want to know how much these people were paid. The same argument applies to the newspapers as they tried to use to vilify PSU. If the allegations of the victims are sacrosanct and to be believed without question, they shouldn't be sticking their noses into how much they were awarded and I hope a judge decides the same. They want it both ways, well too bad.

 

[BobPSU92]

Welcome back to the board, Zippy. Glad to have you back.

Exactly. (Except for the glad part. )

 

[baircub1!]

So you think JVP couldn't look worse? Think again. If its established that abuse reports were made to him in the 70s which he ignored you can forget about resurrecting the statue, forget about an "Honor Joe" day, forget about "Paterno Field at Beaver Stadium", forget about Peachy Paterno ice cream, and say adios to Paterno Library. That would be game, set, and match.

So, yes, it could get a lot worse. I hope it doesn't.

IF it's found Joe knew more and hid the truth... I have no problems with what would then transpire.

Unlike you...many of of us are more concerned with the TRUTH no matter what it looks like.... No more hiding crap.

However... If it is shown that your " buddies" we're involved in deceit... Then they should ALL be thrown in prison and should repay every single penny of which they approved the University pay out... All after they appear on the doorstep of Sue Paterno... On their knees begging for forgiveness.

 

[zwick99]

That's the dumbest idea ever. Nothing in those files will be factual evidence. All I am saying is that those thinking they are going to open a file and open a letter with Joepa did nothing wrong on it are going to be really disappointed. It will all be information pointing the finger at Penn State, Paterno, etc in order to get money for damages. Those damages may or may not be legit, but we will never know because Penn State did not look into them they just opened the wallet and paid.

How do you know what PSU investigated?

 

[zwick99]

IF it's found Joe knew more and hid the truth... I have no problems with what would then transpire.

Unlike you...many of of us are more concerned with the TRUTH no matter what it looks like.... No more hiding crap.

However... If it is shown that your " buddies" we're involved in deceit... Then they should ALL be thrown in prison and should repay every single penny of which they approved the University pay out... All after they appear on the doorstep of Sue Paterno... On their knees begging for forgiveness.

It does not matter because you won't believe anything that is found that does not fit your version of the truth. Nobody is changing their opinions on the subject at this point.

 

[lionlurker]

Zwick, you are getting paid to do this, or else you are another BOT butt buddy, like Zippy thought he was. Why do you bother? If it's for extra income, I get it, you probably aren't making a whole lot of money in your real job. However, most of the people here have you on Ignore, and I am going to do the same. If nobody reads your posts, do you still get paid for them?

Give it up. Nobody gives a crap what you think.

 

[zwick99]

Zwick, you are getting paid to do this, or else you are another BOT butt buddy, like Zippy thought he was. Why do you bother? If it's for extra income, I get it, you probably aren't making a whole lot of money in your real job. However, most of the people here have you on Ignore, and I am going to do the same. If nobody reads your posts, do you still get paid for them?

Give it up. Nobody gives a crap what you think.

Exactly and you won't give a crap about info that comes out that does not support your point.

It is funny that you want to find the truth and the people who are on the exact other side of the argument are also asking for the info to be released. The info won't help both sides. Someone is going to get butthurt. I am trying to help you avoid the pain.

 

[marshall23]

So you think JVP couldn't look worse? Think again. If its established that abuse reports were made to him in the 70s which he ignored you can forget about resurrecting the statue, forget about an "Honor Joe" day, forget about "Paterno Field at Beaver Stadium", forget about Peachy Paterno ice cream, and say adios to Paterno Library. That would be game, set, and match.

So, yes, it could get a lot worse. I hope it doesn't.

could it get worse? sure, but it is more likely that a woodpecker will prick you to death.

 

[lionlurker]

Exactly and you won't give a crap about info that comes out that does not support your point.

It is funny that you want to find the truth and the people who are on the exact other side of the argument are also asking for the info to be released. The info won't help both sides. Someone is going to get butthurt. I am trying to help you avoid the pain.

Spare me your help. I don't need help that is financially subsidized by your asshole cronies.

Get some help and gain back your self-respect. You can't possibly be in such bad shape that you need to lie for them.

 

[zwick99]

Spare me your help. I don't need help that is financially subsidized by your asshole cronies.

Get some help and gain back your self-respect. You can't possibly be in such bad shape that you need to lie for them.

You are making my point. Nobody will change your mind on anything and YOU are not changing anyone's mind either. YOur search for the truth(YOUR version) is a waste of time. YOur mind is made up and so is everyone else's.