Iowa Bias from our friends on Bucknuts
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@Dar.of.Emur cherry-picking PSU guys that don't drive enough action for him, leaves out Brooks and Kerk. Also RBY's first 2 years? Apparently missed the DeSanto submission + Millhof, Gomez, Gross, and Lovett.
Stereotyping schools for having a style is very stupid IMO. Iowa fans will say Spencer Lee represents their style (who wouldn't want to think that?) PSU fans will say Nelson Brands does lol. Saying schools stall or is boring typically happens after your guy loses a close match and thus the only way that happens is the other wrestler stalled.
The hypocrisy among college wrestling fans is mind blowing sometimes. It's actually why I respect @js8793 Example is when he called out Iowa fans for wondering how Robbie Howard could get 4 more years and then saying "duh PSU"
The hypocrisy among college wrestling fans is mind blowing sometimes. It's actually why I respect @js8793 Example is when he called out Iowa fans for wondering how Robbie Howard could get 4 more years and then saying "duh PSU"
According to that one OSU fan, their forum is nothing but respect for us while we're big bullies here for pointing out it's kind of funny Kharchla lost to Hepner in a wrestle off.
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That took some bucknuts by @js8793
PSU won the boring to watch takedown battle against Tosu 19-3 or something like that. Then there is this:
Trailing 2-0, Mendez chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 2-1 score at the 1:41 mark (Bravo-Young had :50 in riding time). Bravo-Young continued to shoot Mendez backwards deep into the second period, forcing the Buckeye into defense. He worked his way through a low scrambling shot for a second takedown in the final seconds of the period and led 4-1 after two periods.
Bartlett paced the center of the mat, controlling the tempo as he looked to work his offense. With the clock dipping below 1:00, Bartlett defended a D'Emilio shot and nearly connected on a low single. D'Emilio was able to defend the shot and action continued in neutral for the rest of the period.
149: Shayne Van Ness, ranked No. 13 at 149, took on No. 3 Sammy Sasso. Van Ness came out and nearly connected on a quick low single off the whistle. But Sasso defended the early shot, worked his way out of trouble, and kept the bout scoreless in the opening seconds of the match. Sasso took a shot, forcing a scramble at 1:45 and Van Ness countered the action, rolling through the move for a takedown and a 2-1 lead.
Haines took a quick 2-0 lead with a takedown at the 1:52 mark. He then went to work on top, controlling the action as the clock moved to 1:00. Haines maintained position until Gallagher escaped to a 2-1 score with 1:00 left in the period. Haines continued to work on offense, turning a low shot into a takedown and a 4-1 lead with :45 left in the period. Haines turned Gallagher for a handful of seconds but never got the near fall call and led 4-1 with 1:30 in riding time after one. Gallagher chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 4-2 score at 1:40. Haines had 1:48 in riding time. Haines continued to press forward as the Buckeye backed away from the Lion. Haines notched his third takedown at the 1:10 mark and then built his riding time over 2:00 while trying to turn the Buckeye for back points. Haines lifted Gallagher and returned him to the mat with :20 left and then broke the Buckeye down for the rest of the period to finish on top. Haines chose down to start the third period and quickly escaped to a 7-2 lead. With riding time clinched, Haines went to work on offense, took Gallagher down once more to up his lead to 9-2 and then turned Gallagher for four back points as the clock hit :50. Leading 13-2, Haines looked for one more turn to secure a tech fall. But Gallagher was able to fight off the late swipes and Haines settled for a dominating 14-2 major with 4:10 in riding time.
174: Carter Starocci, ranked No. 1 at 174, faced off against No. 7 Ethan Smith. Starocci set a high tempo, taking a series of quick shots. Smith took a shot at the 2:15 mark but Starocci quickly countered, gained control of the Buckeyes leg and notched the counter takedown with 1:53 on the clock to lead 2-0. Smith worked his way to an escaped to cut the Lion lead to 2-1 with 1:10 on the clock. Starocci continued to shoot Smith backwards as the clock moved below 1:00. He worked his way through a high single to a takedown and a 4-1 lead in the latter seconds of the period. Smith managed a late escape and Starocci led 4-2 after one. Smith chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 4-3 score with 1:45 on the clock (Starocci had 1:10 in riding time). Starocci continued to take shot after shot as Smith worked to defend each effort. The Nittany Lion blitzed through a lightning quick single for a third takedown at the :35 mark to open up a 6-3 lead. Starocci finished the period on top and led 6-3 with 1:49 in riding time after two.
Over and over... match after match it goes. Iowa and Ohio State fans hate our "stall" riding. Then keep Penn State from winning the takedown battle 17-3 or 21-2. If your (Tosu and Iowa fans) stop backing up and "presenting themselves", they might get TDs which will limit PSU's wrestlers ability to "stall ride" ... right?
Trailing 2-0, Mendez chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 2-1 score at the 1:41 mark (Bravo-Young had :50 in riding time). Bravo-Young continued to shoot Mendez backwards deep into the second period, forcing the Buckeye into defense. He worked his way through a low scrambling shot for a second takedown in the final seconds of the period and led 4-1 after two periods.
Bartlett paced the center of the mat, controlling the tempo as he looked to work his offense. With the clock dipping below 1:00, Bartlett defended a D'Emilio shot and nearly connected on a low single. D'Emilio was able to defend the shot and action continued in neutral for the rest of the period.
149: Shayne Van Ness, ranked No. 13 at 149, took on No. 3 Sammy Sasso. Van Ness came out and nearly connected on a quick low single off the whistle. But Sasso defended the early shot, worked his way out of trouble, and kept the bout scoreless in the opening seconds of the match. Sasso took a shot, forcing a scramble at 1:45 and Van Ness countered the action, rolling through the move for a takedown and a 2-1 lead.
Haines took a quick 2-0 lead with a takedown at the 1:52 mark. He then went to work on top, controlling the action as the clock moved to 1:00. Haines maintained position until Gallagher escaped to a 2-1 score with 1:00 left in the period. Haines continued to work on offense, turning a low shot into a takedown and a 4-1 lead with :45 left in the period. Haines turned Gallagher for a handful of seconds but never got the near fall call and led 4-1 with 1:30 in riding time after one. Gallagher chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 4-2 score at 1:40. Haines had 1:48 in riding time. Haines continued to press forward as the Buckeye backed away from the Lion. Haines notched his third takedown at the 1:10 mark and then built his riding time over 2:00 while trying to turn the Buckeye for back points. Haines lifted Gallagher and returned him to the mat with :20 left and then broke the Buckeye down for the rest of the period to finish on top. Haines chose down to start the third period and quickly escaped to a 7-2 lead. With riding time clinched, Haines went to work on offense, took Gallagher down once more to up his lead to 9-2 and then turned Gallagher for four back points as the clock hit :50. Leading 13-2, Haines looked for one more turn to secure a tech fall. But Gallagher was able to fight off the late swipes and Haines settled for a dominating 14-2 major with 4:10 in riding time.
174: Carter Starocci, ranked No. 1 at 174, faced off against No. 7 Ethan Smith. Starocci set a high tempo, taking a series of quick shots. Smith took a shot at the 2:15 mark but Starocci quickly countered, gained control of the Buckeyes leg and notched the counter takedown with 1:53 on the clock to lead 2-0. Smith worked his way to an escaped to cut the Lion lead to 2-1 with 1:10 on the clock. Starocci continued to shoot Smith backwards as the clock moved below 1:00. He worked his way through a high single to a takedown and a 4-1 lead in the latter seconds of the period. Smith managed a late escape and Starocci led 4-2 after one. Smith chose down to start the second period and escaped to a 4-3 score with 1:45 on the clock (Starocci had 1:10 in riding time). Starocci continued to take shot after shot as Smith worked to defend each effort. The Nittany Lion blitzed through a lightning quick single for a third takedown at the :35 mark to open up a 6-3 lead. Starocci finished the period on top and led 6-3 with 1:49 in riding time after two.
Over and over... match after match it goes. Iowa and Ohio State fans hate our "stall" riding. Then keep Penn State from winning the takedown battle 17-3 or 21-2. If your (Tosu and Iowa fans) stop backing up and "presenting themselves", they might get TDs which will limit PSU's wrestlers ability to "stall ride" ... right?
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I think it's funny in that thread that they are basically saying Angel has an Iowa bias, when Iowa fans hate him too. Almost as funny as Iowa fans saying he has a PSU bias when PSU fans hate him too. In fact, I think the only thing all fanbases can agree on is that Angel sucks!
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Top returners at 125 next year with current Intermat rankings Ramos, Purdue, 4 McKee, Minnesota, 7 DeAugustino, Northwestern, 9 Noto, Lock Haven, 11 Kaylor, Oregon St, 12 Surtin, Mizzou, 13 Smith, App State, 14 Brown, Maryland, 15 Only 3 of the top 10 return. Ayala has wins over DeAugustino...
That took some bucknuts by @js8793
I remember last years Michigan match, you know the Michigan team that put together their best team in years with red shirts transfer an what not. They faced penn st a team they built the team for and did NOTHING for ten matches.
Unfortunately many threads turn into that. Why do you think I post more over here? At least most can have a rational discussion without 10,000 character posts, the overuse of the caps locks button and some weird derogatory nicknames for opposing wrestlers.
Damn - I thought you just liked us more and were a closet PSU fan
I have not blocked anyone. That’s why I said most. 😃😃
Well that must be tuff for you to even look at most posts on HR board. Must have to take a few meds before you get on their board so you can stay civil.
You know I googled folkstyle wrestling once and a list of terms came up Iowa style wrestling was one of those terms. Basically a definition of stalling. And no I'm not being sarcastic lol
In an amazing example of their complete lack of self awareness (as if we needed more after someone on GIA tried to lambaste PSU for having Robbie Howard with the possibility of getting 7 years of collegiate wrestling), one of the GIA posters unironically said recently of Iowa State:
You can’t make this up.
That was me, and this post is literally in the same thread you just mentioned lol…
By Zacrissy:
“Penn State is the last program in the country I would use in any example relative to boring wrestling and no offense. They just happen to wrestle with great defense too. That’s why they are in the rarified air they are right now. They don’t have any weaknesses as a group in all 3 facets, top, bottom or feet. They are the bar and have been for awhile. The only chink I can even think of is they for some reason can’t land a 125 pounder since Suriano, although that may unfair to say considering the shoulder injuries suffered by Howard being a big part of that reason as of recent.”
If that’s not a respectful post, I don’t know what is.
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The ankle ride is a stall ride, everyone agrees with the premise. But if it’s allowed, it’s legal, and you guys are excellent at it. So it is what it is.
as much as a claw ride is. Ankle ride helps get hand control for more offense... see - it's a matter of perspective. Use a ride to score - use a ride to stall. I know, based on visual evidence and results, how PSU uses the ride. BTW - I used it in the late 70s...just not as effective
I don’t disagree. Most feel you should have to work up from the ankle while riding it in the effort to score, or be counted the same as holding on to an ankle in a single leg before working up.as much as a claw ride is. Ankle ride helps get hand control for more offense... see - it's a matter of perspective. Use a ride to score - use a ride to stall. I know, based on visual evidence and results, how PSU uses the ride. BTW - I used it in the late 70s...just not as effective
And to be honest I think most people are just frustrated with the fact Casey Cunningham appears to be a savant in teaching it, and no other program has been able to mimic its success throughout their lineup like Penn State has.
That’s not me being a message board kiss ass… it’s just the truth.
Read my entire post, specifically my first post about the ankle ride in its entirety. It was literally only 2 sentences long, and I said the same thing you just did just not with the cool visual aid.If it is legal it is not a stall ride as stalling is against the rules.
It's often a stall ride, still depends on how it was used.
Remember Hoffman's match against Zahid? Sure wasn't a stall there. Zahid used it very effectively to initiate cradles.
Then why did you incorrectly call it a stall ride that everyone agrees with. Both statements untrue. As a former ref I was never taught that there was such a thing as a stall ride. Stalling is against the rules. If an ankle ride is legal then it is not stalling.
Well, after the the PSU v Iowa match PSU kids stalling were:
Besides all of them
Facundo
Starocci and his ride
Dean and his ride
Kerkvliet and his ride
All the bytching possible over Starocci, Dean and Kerkvliet daring to put a tough ride on an Iowa guy. Not a single mention of Woods first period ride out or Murin riding Van Ness, or Warner double thigh prying Dean for 39 seconds that easily could have turned into a 90 second ride.
HR or whatever it is called is not a forum for deep thinking wrestling fans. It is a place to go whine about better teams cheating, other teams stalling, and some well considerd character assassinations of Hawk wrestlers who don't win enough. Or in other words, at one time or another all of them. Well except Spencer.
With Jacob Warner in their lineup, no Iowa fan on HR should ever bytch about a stall ride from an opposing team. Warner also used his patented double thigh pry ride for a lengthy period in the recent Okie State dual. Even Jim Gibbons commented about it, tactfully characterizing it as "not an aggressive technique".
Will also add that the crazies on HR used to howl about Zain Retherford's stall ride. I guess because sometimes it took a little while for Retherford (a bonus point machine on top) to soften the opponent up and crank him over.
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I hate the phrase “stall ride” bar anything that isn’t like double boots and parallel. If you’re on top and holding the bottom guy down, it’s not stalling, it’s riding. Gotta find a way to get out
Last time I looked at the rules, breaking the bottom man down was literally said to not be stalling.
Absolutely right. I put more of it on the bottom guy. Get better from bottom and get out. A couple of our young guys have had trouble getting off bottom in a few matches but I never bitched that it was stalling on top. I like most in here just said that they needed to improve on bottom
What’s your opinion of Warner’s ride? I know a lot on here say it’s stalling when he “rides” his opponent out of bounds and gets multiple restarts.
Running the bottom man out of bounds ala Tony Nelson is stalling per the rules. Unfortunately the refs rarely call it.
Is he running them out or chasing them out as they try to get free? That’s what the official has to decide.
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