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Pennstate1985 said:
Does tOSU's numbers include Sasso? What is the latest on him? Anyone know?
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Not including Sasso until he both returns to the lineup and shows he's wrestling at an AA form.

He made the NCAA finals in his last season of competition. Can't add that to Ohio State's returning point score until there's some evidence of him being back to what he was.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Returning NCAA points, including the 3 newest Rent-a-Hawks:

#TeamPts
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Penn State
130.0​
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Ohio State
62.0​
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Iowa
60.0​
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Nebraska
53.0​
5​
Oklahoma State
48.5​

This does not include Lilledahl or Kueter, but does include Jaws' best year.

PSU is in good shape even if Kueter somehow scores 50 points at nationals.
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You beating silly statements down with logic. Don't be mean like that.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
Did you read what you just wrote? Iowa will be able to see us up ahead IF (a very big one) PSU stinks out the joint and Iowa overperforms mightily??

1. PSU has never underperformed under Cael
2. Iowa has never overperformed under Cael.

The two are interrelated of course.

Iowa purchased enough talent to somewhat comfortably take second, although if OSU overperforms under DT, Iowa may be in trouble. Let's also remember that final year transfers rarely overperform. More underperform.
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Hawk rentals (I like that term) tend to improve their toughness and conditioning that first year before HEW and HWRB (Hawkeye Wrestling Room Breakdown) sets in. Their wrestling doesn't improve, but gas tank gets bigger and toughness improves.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
Did you read what you just wrote? Iowa will be able to see us up ahead IF (a very big one) PSU stinks out the joint and Iowa overperforms mightily??

1. PSU has never underperformed under Cael
2. Iowa has never overperformed under Cael.

The two are interrelated of course.

Iowa purchased enough talent to somewhat comfortably take second, although if OSU overperforms under DT, Iowa may be in trouble. Let's also remember that final year transfers rarely overperform. More underperform.
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SCub said:
Is this a fact or something we all just sense? Has anyone ever seen any statistics?
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I haven't seen a study on one year transfers but I can't recall anyone having "significant" improvement. A NQ at one school likely gets you a NQ at another school. A 4th place finisher at one school might get you a 2nd or a 5th place at the next school. My theory is that with all the distractions of a new school, new coach, new training techniques, new culture, etc, etc, it has an effect on focus. Especially for mostly 5th or 6th year guys who are also thinking about the future. Very very few of those guys are climbing levels at that point in their careers given the named distractions.

I guess I'm saying you get what you buy. The expectation from a low AA transfer should be that they will be a low AA, etc.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
I haven't seen a study on one year transfers but I can't recall anyone having "significant" improvement. A NQ at one school likely gets you a NQ at another school. A 4th place finisher at one school might get you a 2nd or a 5th place at the next school. My theory is that with all the distractions of a new school, new coach, new training techniques, new culture, etc, etc, it has an effect on focus. Especially for mostly 5th or 6th year guys who are also thinking about the future. Very very few of those guys are climbing levels at that point in their careers given the named distractions.

I guess I'm saying you get what you buy. The expectation from a low AA transfer should be that they will be a low AA, etc.
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Without looking at data, I suspect you're right.

However, Lucas Davison did go from 5th/6th in his last 2 years at NW to the finals at Michigan in his 6th year of competition. So there can at least be exceptions.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hamiti makes a similar jump, from 6/6/R12 at Wisconsin to 3rd at OKST despite being capped by Levi and O'Toole ahead of him. Assuming he doesn't shirt. Though this would be his 4th year.
 
El-Jefe said:
Without looking at data, I suspect you're right.

However, Lucas Davison did go from 5th/6th in his last 2 years at NW to the finals at Michigan in his 6th year of competition. So there can at least be exceptions.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hamiti makes a similar jump, from 6/6/R12 at Wisconsin to 3rd at OKST despite being capped by Levi and O'Toole ahead of him. Assuming he doesn't shirt. Though this would be his 4th year.
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Davison didn't have to cut weight, which most likely is huge mentally for staying focused. Hamiti, moving up a weight class will also help him mentally.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Without looking at data, I suspect you're right.

However, Lucas Davison did go from 5th/6th in his last 2 years at NW to the finals at Michigan in his 6th year of competition. So there can at least be exceptions.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hamiti makes a similar jump, from 6/6/R12 at Wisconsin to 3rd at OKST despite being capped by Levi and O'Toole ahead of him. Assuming he doesn't shirt. Though this would be his 4th year.
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Certainly, exceptions exist. I went back and looked at Michigan's last four years and if you averaged out the performances of the transfers, it was roughly the same pre-Michigan. Like you said, sometimes it has nothing to do with the wrestler himself, but the influx or outflow of quality at the weight year to year.
 
The-Dude-Abides said:
I agree he can come off a bit aloof at times, but I don't think ungrateful is the right descriptor. I've never heard him denigrate anyone but himself, and he regularly speaks highly of his opponents and teammates. On the standing O, he made a self-deprecating comment that maybe people shouldn't stand for a runner-up finish, but then he went on to say it was humbling and "I love that the Hawkeye fan base still believes in me and loves me and whatnot. . . It was pretty awesome, and I appreciate that Iowa brings me back for things like that. It's an honor."

He is definitely very hard on himself, too hard if you ask me. But I've met him multiple times and seen him in practice and competition a lot. He is probably still a bit uncomfortable speaking publicly, but he is as friendly as can be to fans, and he is typically working hard to help his teammates improve, joking around with them, etc.

Obviously our biases lie at opposite ends of the spectrum, but I truly think you'd like the guy if you met him. Really hope he decides to coach when his competitive career is done.
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As someone who played many sports growing up (including wrestling) I 10000% get where Spencer is coming from when he is so hard on himself. He might be one of the few people I've seen who is as hard on himself as I am on myself for literally anything. I can certainly relate to him there.
 
We have great posters on here for stats and other things, which I love!

But we are missing a "Todd conner" like Iowa has. He is a gem at write ups.
 
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Some serious hate thrown at Iowa from Bassets dad. Any truth behind this and/or reasons for the hate thrown.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
From Bo's dad. vhsalum confirms it's real fwiw. Posts since deleted from mom and dad. Seems like some Iowa posters strayed into parental decision-making/upbringing territory.
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Who knows if it’s real, but he’s not going there anyway. He’s leveraging their big, fanatical fanbase, but that’s it.

This is opinion, not fact, of course, but that’s my take.
 
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Chickenman Testa said:
Who knows if it’s real, but he’s not going there anyway. He’s leveraging their big, fanatical fanbase, but that’s it.

This is opinion, not fact, of course, but that’s my take.
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The odds he was ever going to choose Iowa was never higher than a very distant and tiny maybe. The kid trains hard, but appreciates and understands the concept of "overtraining" plus he wants to win multiple championships at 149 or 157 as well as World medals. Penn State or Cornell is where he is going to wrestle.
 
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Sportfan2017 said:
Pretty much every major D1 wrestling school plus fan favorite UPJ. However.....just a recent hunch........me thinks Iowa may soon find itself on the dung heap :)
PS: Yes.....It's a T-Ball.......your welcome.
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They've been under the dung heap since the moment Quentin introduced Gambrall's shoulders to the mat in Philadelphia. On the dung heap would be a 13 year long step up.
 
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