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Iowa guys who have a good chance to finish below their ranking...

NittanyChris

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Using Intermat Rankings:
Murin #6 - there are at least 3 guys ranked below him who I'd take over him: Woods, Red & Gfeller to start. Murin won't AA.
Lugo #1 - Come on, does anyone see him as national champ? Highly unlikely. Sasso and B Lee won't allow it. See him as a 5-8 guy.
Young #6 - this one is close. Could see him 2-3 spots lower.
Kemerer #2 - love him, but could his knee still be a factor?
Assad #10 - who knows what you'll get from someone this inexperienced? Could finish 5 or 15.
Warner #4 - not enough offense. Another likely 5-8 guy.
Cassioppi #3 - extremely talented but young guys can make mistakes. It happens all the time.
So...we gotta listen to Cenzo and don't give up on this team!!!
WE ARE!!!
 
Using Intermat Rankings:
Murin #6 - there are at least 3 guys ranked below him who I'd take over him: Woods, Red & Gfeller to start. Murin won't AA.
Lugo #1 - Come on, does anyone see him as national champ? Highly unlikely. Sasso and B Lee won't allow it. See him as a 5-8 guy.
Young #6 - this one is close. Could see him 2-3 spots lower.
Kemerer #2 - love him, but could his knee still be a factor?
Assad #10 - who knows what you'll get from someone this inexperienced? Could finish 5 or 15.
Warner #4 - not enough offense. Another likely 5-8 guy.
Cassioppi #3 - extremely talented but young guys can make mistakes. It happens all the time.
So...we gotta listen to Cenzo and don't give up on this team!!!
WE ARE!!!
I want to hear what Cenzo has to say after Alex beats his ass
 
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Using Intermat Rankings:
Murin #6 - there are at least 3 guys ranked below him who I'd take over him: Woods, Red & Gfeller to start. Murin won't AA.
Lugo #1 - Come on, does anyone see him as national champ? Highly unlikely. Sasso and B Lee won't allow it. See him as a 5-8 guy.
Young #6 - this one is close. Could see him 2-3 spots lower.
Kemerer #2 - love him, but could his knee still be a factor?
Assad #10 - who knows what you'll get from someone this inexperienced? Could finish 5 or 15.
Warner #4 - not enough offense. Another likely 5-8 guy.
Cassioppi #3 - extremely talented but young guys can make mistakes. It happens all the time.
So...we gotta listen to Cenzo and don't give up on this team!!!
WE ARE!!!

You also failed to mention the Bull who is a world beater in duals with just a 7th and 6th to show for it. Can he perform come March?

I for one have not given up hope on this years team! We could realistically have 3 champs (Lee, Cenzo, Hall)and 5 finalists (Brooks and Shak). Am I being optimistic? Hell Yeah why TF not!! PMA!! (Positive Mental Attitude)
 
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We'll find out more in this weekend's Nebraska dual about Iowa's status at 141 (Red), 174 (Cobra), and 184 (Venz).

Kutler poses another major challenge to Kemerer at nationals.
 
We'll find out more in this weekend's Nebraska dual about Iowa's status at 141 (Red), 174 (Cobra), and 184 (Venz).

Kutler poses another major challenge to Kemerer at nationals.

This should be a great match...considering this season seems to be going by without many must see matches. Might be me but this season has been boring.
 
Truthfully, I would hardly say Bull is some kind of NCAA choke artist. I would count on him in the finals tbh.

2018: He was seeded 5th and finished 6th. He lost to IMar, ran into a white hot Evan Wick who took 3rd by pinning Chance. Then he got VERY quickly pinned by McFadden. Probably textbook right but I've never seen it called that fast.

2019: We all know about his draw. He lost to Mekhi Lewis in the quarters then on the backside, drew Chance (who would finish 3rd) to push him to 7th and 8th.
 
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You also failed to mention the Bull who is a world beater in duals with just a 7th and 6th to show for it. Can he perform come March?

I for one have not given up hope on this years team! We could realistically have 3 champs (Lee, Cenzo, Hall)and 5 finalists (Brooks and Shak). Am I being optimistic? Hell Yeah why TF not!! PMA!! (Positive Mental Attitude)

I intentionally didn't mention Marinelli. Despite his lack of success at NCAAs, I expect him to wrestle to his ranking and finish 2nd to Cenzo.
 
Yea, counting on Marinelli to not be top 3 again would be wishful thinking.

I also expect him to make the finals this year.
 
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Shocking to some extent but there are kids that can push him and it only takes one mistake
Spencer losing would be the biggest shock of the NCAA tournament. Or at worst the 2nd biggest shock behind Zahid losing.

There are only 3 guys who maybe can push him. He has completely dominated Piccininni with 1 exception that was later avenged. He shut out Mueller. And Glory has yet to really test him.

It's very possible that nobody else survives the 1st period.
 
It is slightly possible DeSanto could finish 3rd or 4th.

Murin. Could do great but could get upset. His upcoming match vs Chad Red Jr. Will tell alot. I will be in Carver in the 3rd row!

149 is strangely weak weight this year. Definitely see Pat winning or placing high

157.... I think there is a legit possibility Young doesn't finish in the top 5. Of all of our returning AA's he will have the hardest time

165. Bull. Wick or Joseph could beat him but prbly won't.

174 Kem. Lock too finish top 3 imo

184. Will place no higher then 6th. PSU fans must hope for freshman march badness

197. Warner IMO lock too place very high

HWT Cass. Definite AA. Seems that after 5 the weight is weak.

So in review i am most concerned anout Murin, Young and of course Assad

Olympic year means this season has weaker competition

BUT Hawkeyes have many tough duals and Big Tens before brackets are out for Ncaa's. Lets hold off on predictions shall we

But this has 10 All-Americans with 6 or 7 finalists written all over it.

Hehehehe
 
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I intentionally didn't mention Marinelli. Despite his lack of success at NCAAs, I expect him to wrestle to his ranking and finish 2nd to Cenzo.

No doubt he has the talent as he's beaten everyone at the weight..in the back of my mind, I keep coming back to last year and even his freshman year. To me he was lock for top 3 last year and freshman year.
 
We are in the position this year of hoping for a series of underperformances. Not a good position to be in. It’s the position other teams have been in vis-à-vis PSU in the recent past. Lots of “ifs” and hope. We’ll see.

A lot of the season to go though.
It will be different this year. It has been a while since there was that underlying need to cheer against Iowa kids because of the team championship race.
 
We are in the position this year of hoping for a series of underperformances. Not a good position to be in. It’s the position other teams have been in vis-à-vis PSU in the recent past. Lots of “ifs” and hope. We’ll see.

A lot of the season to go though.
And the FRL guys were just extolling the Hawkeyes’ enthusiasm and camaraderie this year. Such a team seems unlikely to choke very much. PSU is going to have to perform extremely well.
 
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We are in the position this year of hoping for a series of underperformances. Not a good position to be in. It’s the position other teams have been in vis-à-vis PSU in the recent past. Lots of “ifs” and hope. We’ll see.

A lot of the season to go though.
If you look at the current rankings, it's not too hard to see a bunch of PSU vs. Iowa round of 16 and quarterfinal matches. All PSU has to do is send the Iowa guy to wrestle-backs, and they control their own destiny.

possible rd of 16?
Verk vs Lugo
Berge vs Young
Brooks vs Assad
Shak vs Warner
Seth vs Cass

possible quarter?
RBY vs Desanto
Lee vs Murin

Like you said, a lot of season to go. BIGs will be huge for seeding.
 
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It is slightly possible DeSanto could finish 3rd or 4th.
This must mean DeSanto finishes 5th or lower.

Because it is more than "slightly possible" he loses to Gross (who has beaten him) or Rivera (who beat Soencer multiple times).
 
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Truthfully, I would hardly say Bull is some kind of NCAA choke artist. I would count on him in the finals tbh.

2018: He was seeded 5th and finished 6th. He lost to IMar, ran into a white hot Evan Wick who took 3rd by pinning Chance. Then he got VERY quickly pinned by McFadden. Probably textbook right but I've never seen it called that fast.

2019: We all know about his draw. He lost to Mekhi Lewis in the quarters then on the backside, drew Chance (who would finish 3rd) to push him to 7th and 8th.
He had the worst draw ever. JoJo Smith in the first round? It was the draw of death.
 
And the FRL guys were just extolling the Hawkeyes’ enthusiasm and camaraderie this year. Such a team seems unlikely to choke very much. PSU is going to have to perform extremely well.
That three ring binder is no joke. The Hawkeyes have gone from stone-faced, too-tight springs to guys having fun and supporting one another.
 
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He's a troll.

There are very few people I block -- and I had him blocked within his first 3 posts here. Waste of time. Not even entertaining, just sad.
 
He's a troll.

There are very few people I block -- and I had him blocked within his first 3 posts here. Waste of time. Not even entertaining, just sad.

Agreed.

Jammenz is 5-star, Top 10 entertainment compare to this zero-star loser.
 
He had the worst draw ever. JoJo Smith in the first round? It was the draw of death.
Great use of sarcasm there.

I couldn't believe the anguish about him having to wrestle Smith last year. He is expected to be good but he has very few top 10 wins in his career. I would say he is higher than a 32 seed but probably realistically he would be around 16.
 
Great use of sarcasm there.

I couldn't believe the anguish about him having to wrestle Smith last year. He is expected to be good but he has very few top 10 wins in his career. I would say he is higher than a 32 seed but probably realistically he would be around 16.
That seeding was all about Smith dropping to 165 and thus automatically getting the 33 seed. It was a bad break for Marinelli to face him and a low seeded Mekhi at 23-2 in his first three matches was a tough draw. Then if he got by that, it was Marsteller and Cenzo. That is a tough path to the championship. Comparatively, Cenzo's path was fairly clear. Pretty much get by Massa and you're in the finals.
Now there wasn't a tear shed in my house, but it was what it was..a really tough draw.
 
That seeding was all about Smith dropping to 165 and thus automatically getting the 33 seed. It was a bad break for Marinelli to face him and a low seeded Mekhi at 23-2 in his first three matches was a tough draw. Then if he got by that, it was Marsteller and Cenzo. That is a tough path to the championship. Comparatively, Cenzo's path was fairly clear. Pretty much get by Massa and you're in the finals.
Now there wasn't a tear shed in my house, but it was what it was..a really tough draw.

I think White from Nebraska is tough, jeez my opinion
 
I don't know....probably "See you at NCAAs" but we know how that worked for Marinelli.

Yeah for all the 'bull' hype Marinelli STINKs in the Tourney!!! What is his highest finish 6-7th?? He can never match Cenzo's record. All Cenzo needs to do is string him out for seven minutes and he will egt winded. Just watch films of Marinelli last two NCAA Tourney's and see how to beat this paper bull!
 
We might be overselling how good Joe Smith was last year, because of his past accomplishments.

He was the 33 seed at nationals for a reason. It was a weak weight for B12 -- nobody got a top 8 seed at nationals, 1 guy finished 8th and 1 more finished R12 -- and yet he was the 7th seed at B12s. For whatever reason, this was not the same guy who placed 4th at 157 two years earlier.

Add in that he had a pigtail match before facing Marinelli, and it's hard to see him being that tough of a draw.
 
I'm going to give some guys credit . . . though obviously I hope I end up being wrong on a bunch of them.

• Lee -- #1, don't see a way around it; probably scores 28.5 pts.

• DeSanto -- #1-3; Rivera's health a big factor. Watch out for big DeSanto points if Rivera is <90%.

• Murin -- #5-R12; have no idea how the shoulder holds up to rigors of B1Gs and Nationals, but he is wrestling well enough right now to beat anyone not named Pletcher or Lee; I think McKee and Demas are inconsistent enough to be upset at any time.

• Lugo -- #1-7; weird weight is 149 this year; said it before, 2019-20 Lugo is not wrestling like 2018-19 Lugo; would not be surprised at all to see this version as champ vs. this year's field; but anyone in the Top 7 is capable of beating him in a given match; I think it most likely Lugo places Top 3. If any of these guys fall out of AA, its Sasso (I have a Mike Evans stance on him thus far).

• Young -- #3-6; he's been looking like a guy ripe for upset in many matches, but as I've said many times, he's squirrely; I don't trust squirrels, and he's a veteran squirrel; maybe the weight cut gets to him -- but outside that, I suspect he finds a way to place 3rd/4th. He's exactly the kind of guy a weary, battered body does not want to see on Saturday morning -- he'll do just enough to get the match into OT and then win by attrition in some lengthy scramble in which his opponent's body fails.

• Marinelli -- You gotta say #1-2, but we as PSU fans also have to hope NCAA monkeys are all over his back and planting doubt in his mind. Maybe the Wrestling Gods have him vs. The Exhauster (J. Smith) in the quarters. As a decent human, though, I have to pull for him to make the finals.

• Kemerer -- #2; I feel solid on this one, unless he has an injury setback between now and Nationals.

• Assad -- #6-R16; he's a true freshman; talented, no doubt, but has yet to face the upper echelon or experience the NCAAs: pretty much anything could happen, including a parting of the seas.

Warner/Warnerov -- Which one shows up? I'll predict Warnerov on Thursday, Warner on Friday. #4-6.

Cassioppi -- #3. I think he has this wrestling thing down. Too bad for us that Wood and Hillger aren't giving any signs of stepping up. Isley? Stencel? ... Somebody? ... Bueller?

Yeah, we're going to need some
help, and I'm optimistic, but don't forget the impact of a watered-down field. There is a reason why B1Gs and NCAAs have been totally different animals for PSU. Our guys just have to get to 100% by March and wrestle their hearts out.
 
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We might be overselling how good Joe Smith was last year, because of his past accomplishments.

He was the 33 seed at nationals for a reason. It was a weak weight for B12 -- nobody got a top 8 seed at nationals, 1 guy finished 8th and 1 more finished R12 -- and yet he was the 7th seed at B12s. For whatever reason, this was not the same guy who placed 4th at 157 two years earlier.

Add in that he had a pigtail match before facing Marinelli, and it's hard to see him being that tough of a draw.
Jefe,
He was up 4-2 after 2. It wasn't a walk in the park. C'mon, throw me a bone!
 
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