Iowa guys who have a good chance to finish below their ranking...
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Ha ha. RBY was also doing that clever thing with his left arm that he did all match by holding it way back and out of reach. Earlier, I actually was talking about RBY’s right arm, on which Desanto tried to improve position but couldn’t because RBY wouldn’t play on that side either.
Which side does Desanto like to get inside control on for his dump? I should know this, but actually I hardly ever watch wrestling. I mostly read about it or hear about it.
Murin- Pletcher, Lee, MeKee, Red, Gfeller
Lugo- Boo, Lee, Sasso, Storr, Puritan
Young- Berge, Robb, Lewan, Tucker
Bull- VJ, White, Whittake, Smith,
Kem- Labriola, Skatzka, Romero, Hall
Assad- Benz, Brooks, Webster, Embree,
Warner- Moore, Greer, Schultz, Rasheed
Cass- Steveson, Parris, Lance, Nevilles
my Take on ranking going into Bigs.
125- #1
133-Top 3 unless disqualified
141 Can’t get beat by Red or Gfeller and stay to 8. Out of top 8
149 He runs table lock for Champ, I think he drops two and comes back to earth. Rank 5-7
157 loss other than Berge out of out of top 8, just don’t see him running the table Rank 10-12
165- Win against White than he and VJ wrestle for Big 10 Seed. A loss makes things interesting but still Wrestling VJ for Seed.
Top 2
174 Loss in One of next 2 matches hurt drop to 6, think he keeps rank to NCAA’s
Kem runs an abbreviated table to top 2
184- has to beat Brooks to move, think he remains close to top 8 10-12
197- Schultz, Rasheed loss out of top 8. Win both Stay top 4
285- only Neville’s in way, lock top 4
Lugo- Boo, Lee, Sasso, Storr, Puritan
Young- Berge, Robb, Lewan, Tucker
Bull- VJ, White, Whittake, Smith,
Kem- Labriola, Skatzka, Romero, Hall
Assad- Benz, Brooks, Webster, Embree,
Warner- Moore, Greer, Schultz, Rasheed
Cass- Steveson, Parris, Lance, Nevilles
my Take on ranking going into Bigs.
125- #1
133-Top 3 unless disqualified
141 Can’t get beat by Red or Gfeller and stay to 8. Out of top 8
149 He runs table lock for Champ, I think he drops two and comes back to earth. Rank 5-7
157 loss other than Berge out of out of top 8, just don’t see him running the table Rank 10-12
165- Win against White than he and VJ wrestle for Big 10 Seed. A loss makes things interesting but still Wrestling VJ for Seed.
Top 2
174 Loss in One of next 2 matches hurt drop to 6, think he keeps rank to NCAA’s
Kem runs an abbreviated table to top 2
184- has to beat Brooks to move, think he remains close to top 8 10-12
197- Schultz, Rasheed loss out of top 8. Win both Stay top 4
285- only Neville’s in way, lock top 4
Lets analyze where PSU guys will be potentially ranked (using InterMat)
125 Unranked and no chance to be ranked. 9-6 against D1 competition. Has #16 Aguilar, UR Thomsen, #1 Lee, UR Cray, #17 Barnett, #15 McKee, UR Heinselman, UR Curry. Most likely goes 2-6 or 3-5.
133 #3 has #9 Alvarez, #13 Lovett, #2 Desanto, UR Sandoval, #1 Gross, UR Gliva, UR Decatur, UR Kidd. 6-2 best case, 4-4 worst case. 3-8 final rank
141 #2 has UR Aragona, #9 Red, #6 Murin, UR Baxter, #7 Moran, #3 McKee, #1 Pletcher, UR Profaci. 8-0 best case, most likely 7-1, worse case 5-3. 1-4 final rank
149 UR has UR Angelo, #16 Purinton, #1 Lugo, UR Doetsch, #15 Martin, #5 Lee, #6 Sasso, #8 Clarke. 4-4 is my best case, 2-6 worse case. Could sneak into top 20 but unlikely.
157 Don’t think Berge goes. If he does he has UR Van Brill, #11 Robb, #6 Young, UR Jones, UR Scharenbrock, UR Brolsma, UR Cleary, UR Karsten.
165 #1 has UR Donner, #5 White, #2 Marinelli, UR Cochran, #4 Wick, UR O’Reilly, #13 Smith, UR Fitzpatrick. Best case 8-0, worse case 6-2. 1-3 final rank
174 #1 has UR Grello, #6 Labriola, #2 Kemerer, UR Spadafora, UR Krattiger, #7 Skatzka, #9 Romero, UR Allshouse. Best case 8-0, worse case 7-1. Top 2.
184 #8 has UR Janzer, #5 Venz, #10 Assad, UR Jasenski, #16 Sebastian, #15 Webster, UR Jordan, #18 Harvey. Best case 7-1 worse case 5-3. 5-8 final rank
197 #20 has #18 Pagano, #14 Schultz, #4 Warner, UR Smith, UR Christensen, UR Ritter, #1 Moore, UR Jarrell. Best case 6-2, worse case 4-4. 8-12 final rank
285 UR has UR Esposito, #15 Lance, #3 Cassioppi, UR Robinson, #5 Hilger, #1 Steveson, UR Traub, UR Camacho. Best case 5-3, worse case 4-4. Unranked to end the year
Best case IMO is 4-5 Top 5 ranked guys. Even if Iowa stumbles at a weight or 2 still not enough to beat them.
125 Unranked and no chance to be ranked. 9-6 against D1 competition. Has #16 Aguilar, UR Thomsen, #1 Lee, UR Cray, #17 Barnett, #15 McKee, UR Heinselman, UR Curry. Most likely goes 2-6 or 3-5.
133 #3 has #9 Alvarez, #13 Lovett, #2 Desanto, UR Sandoval, #1 Gross, UR Gliva, UR Decatur, UR Kidd. 6-2 best case, 4-4 worst case. 3-8 final rank
141 #2 has UR Aragona, #9 Red, #6 Murin, UR Baxter, #7 Moran, #3 McKee, #1 Pletcher, UR Profaci. 8-0 best case, most likely 7-1, worse case 5-3. 1-4 final rank
149 UR has UR Angelo, #16 Purinton, #1 Lugo, UR Doetsch, #15 Martin, #5 Lee, #6 Sasso, #8 Clarke. 4-4 is my best case, 2-6 worse case. Could sneak into top 20 but unlikely.
157 Don’t think Berge goes. If he does he has UR Van Brill, #11 Robb, #6 Young, UR Jones, UR Scharenbrock, UR Brolsma, UR Cleary, UR Karsten.
165 #1 has UR Donner, #5 White, #2 Marinelli, UR Cochran, #4 Wick, UR O’Reilly, #13 Smith, UR Fitzpatrick. Best case 8-0, worse case 6-2. 1-3 final rank
174 #1 has UR Grello, #6 Labriola, #2 Kemerer, UR Spadafora, UR Krattiger, #7 Skatzka, #9 Romero, UR Allshouse. Best case 8-0, worse case 7-1. Top 2.
184 #8 has UR Janzer, #5 Venz, #10 Assad, UR Jasenski, #16 Sebastian, #15 Webster, UR Jordan, #18 Harvey. Best case 7-1 worse case 5-3. 5-8 final rank
197 #20 has #18 Pagano, #14 Schultz, #4 Warner, UR Smith, UR Christensen, UR Ritter, #1 Moore, UR Jarrell. Best case 6-2, worse case 4-4. 8-12 final rank
285 UR has UR Esposito, #15 Lance, #3 Cassioppi, UR Robinson, #5 Hilger, #1 Steveson, UR Traub, UR Camacho. Best case 5-3, worse case 4-4. Unranked to end the year
Best case IMO is 4-5 Top 5 ranked guys. Even if Iowa stumbles at a weight or 2 still not enough to beat them.
125 agreed, take a English type run.
133 Disagree, if the RBY that wrestled Sunday shows up he could beat either one of top 2 I’m thinking 2-3
141. Pletcher is a different animal this year... so is Nick. Top 2.
149. Your way off. Verk losses to two tough opponents. Hoffman Lehigh and Maruca ASU, all three will make nationals. I think he breaks top 20 soon. If he gets some confidence he will become a scary out.
157. Berge will be back , May not have the quality wins for a high ranking upon return but a high place at bigs and he is back top. 6
165. Top 2
174 Champ lock
184. Sky is the limit. He runs the table he is top 2.
197. We all know what Shak can do. Ranked top 6 can win it all.
285. My Blue and White glasses must be foggy. NR? The fact he is 8-0 and not ranked is alright. He will break into the rankings soon. think he has his breakout match against Hilger then top 8.
133 Disagree, if the RBY that wrestled Sunday shows up he could beat either one of top 2 I’m thinking 2-3
141. Pletcher is a different animal this year... so is Nick. Top 2.
149. Your way off. Verk losses to two tough opponents. Hoffman Lehigh and Maruca ASU, all three will make nationals. I think he breaks top 20 soon. If he gets some confidence he will become a scary out.
157. Berge will be back , May not have the quality wins for a high ranking upon return but a high place at bigs and he is back top. 6
165. Top 2
174 Champ lock
184. Sky is the limit. He runs the table he is top 2.
197. We all know what Shak can do. Ranked top 6 can win it all.
285. My Blue and White glasses must be foggy. NR? The fact he is 8-0 and not ranked is alright. He will break into the rankings soon. think he has his breakout match against Hilger then top 8.
I respect your opinion but what results on the mat make you think RBY can beat Gross, DeSanto or Rivera? Same for Verkleeren, his best win in college is Hoffman last year. What results give you these expectations? Or is it all based on potential? How do you know Berge will be back? Also, if Brooks runs the table his best win is Venz. How does that jump him over Hidlay, Bolen, Lujan, Deprez, or Bonaccorsi? Rasheed is a wild card. Hasn’t looked very good is his first two matches back but you never know. But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how far fetched it may seem.
Hoping for a different outcome, but your assessment seems reasonable, maybe even likely.☹️
We do have some reason to think he can beat Hidlay and Lujan.
Thanks! What a great match! There were several failed ankle picks by Brooks. I assume Brooks has improved on ankle picks since.
Edit: also, I love Brooks’ wire-fu (announcer: “bulllet time”) move!
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I respect your opinion but what results on the mat make you think RBY can beat Gross, DeSanto or Rivera? (Rivera is coming back from injury, He was right with AD, and I think Gross is vulnerable on his feet.) Same for Verkleeren, his best win in college is Hoffman last year. (You said he likely would not get to top 20 I disagree.We will see in a few weeks if he got straight.)What results give you these expectations? Or is it all based on potential? How do you know Berge will be back? (I’m optimistic, why do you think he won’t?)Also, if Brooks runs the table his win is Venz. How does that jump him over Hidlay, Bolen, Lujan, Deprez, or Bonaccorsi? (He will be the only undefeated wrestler other than Valencia with with good wins if he runs the table.) Rasheed is a wild card. Hasn’t looked very good is his first two matches back but you never know. But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how far fetched it may seem. It is
(My belief in the system. We will see who is closer in March. I can admit If iwas mistaken... don’t tell my wife.)
(My belief in the system. We will see who is closer in March. I can admit If iwas mistaken... don’t tell my wife.)
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Keep telling yourself that. But maybe you could stop telling everyone else?
Lee -- his dominant self
DeSanto -- not himself, won anyway
Murin -- not what he's shown all season thus far, still a 6-R12 kinda guy
Lugo -- himself, and still undefeated
Young -- himself, and he was never in real trouble
Marinelli -- not himself, won anyway
Kemerer -- struggled a bit, but executed flawlessly in the end
Assad -- still wrestling like a guy that doesn't know he's an underdog
Warner -- 50% himself; flip a coin (we've all known this)
Cassioppi -- I missed it, but assume he controlled his guy pretty thoroughly (or else I would have seen you jumping all over his case in the other thread)
Nothing has changed in terms of Iowa's talent. Rather than them being overrated, the more relevant question is PSU's health. And that has been the case since November.
You missed Cassioppi's match? You left before heavyweight? Shame on you.
The Marinelli White match was close, but it did not seem to me that Marinelli was off. White's takedown at the end of the first was White just caught Marinelli leaning in for a split second. After that Marinelli just rode the snot out of White and beat him on conditioning. Marinelli and Joseph pretty much beat White all the time on conditioning.
Warner put me to sleep . . . I awoke at 1:15 AM to some other BTN broadcasting.
I don't disagree with that take. Just seemed to me Marinelli wasn't as relentless as usual with his Matt Brown hands . . . which is what allowed that opening for White's sneak attack. But yes, he was steady, applied pressure on top, wearing White out.
No, I don't think I'll take your suggestion on what I should and shouldn't post. Thanks anyway for your unsolicited advice.
So here's a dose of reality for you:
Lee- dominant, will cruise to a title, scoring a ton of points along the way.
DeSanto- was ridden like a rented mule. Has the talent to win it all, but is a wildcard and I'll take Gross AND Rivera over him in March
Murin-His #3 ranking was an absolute farce. He will not AA.
Lugo- His #1 ranking is also a joke. There are several guys I'll take over him. There will be no title for a guy this offense deficient.
Young- Has a good gas tank and solid defense. There are several more dynamic guys I'll take over him, including a healthy Berge.
Marinelli- he'll finish second to Cenzo. I don't think he'll underperform at NCAAs as he has in the past.
Kemerer- A stud. Likely second to Hall, but are there questions of stamina and health? We'll find out.
Assad- looks good but he's a freshman and freshman make mistakes.
Warner- extremely inconsistent and lacking offense. Back end AA is his ceiling.
Cassioppi- like him a lot, but a freshman. See Assad point.
All of this combined with our getting healthy and our experience as Champions and I like our chances.
WE ARE!!!
I don't see any reason that he shouldn't post this Slush. You enjoy being the ambassador on several sites but that's not for everyone. He's just putting his opinion out there... on a PSU message board.
Dose of reality? Based on your speculation? That's rich.
After last night, the only change in Iowa's rankings will be Assad moving up and Murin and Warner nudging down a tad.
I don't know where you're getting the Murin #3 rank from, but obviously that's an outlier. If you want to make such a big deal over how Iowa is overrated, the least you should do is base your evaluation on a rankings composite.
I don't see a reason why he shouldn't post an opinion either. Once or twice. But to keep trying to tear down another team that is earning its keep is an ugly look. And the unjustified "I told you so" was irritating.
Again, I don't think I'll recognize your authority as undisputed director of content on this message board. I posted my opinion and I'll continue to do so. If you disagree, that is absolutely your right. However, you have no right to tell people what they should or should not post in terms of subjective opinions. Period.
Of course I have a right to say what I think, within reason of forum rules. My opinion is that you should give up the "Iowa is overrated" crusade and give up using last night as a basis for continuing it.
And, having violated no forum rules, I will continue to post my view that Iowa is overranked and last night's mediocre performance supports that view.
Slush you take heat from posters on HR, not from me mind you, but can I say I agree with you here? NittanyChris on this board bashing Iowa is like IronBird and a couple others on HR. Maybe not as bad with the cheating and such but this guy has a hard on for Iowa which I find funny because that means he is worried regardless of what he says. I called him out one other time and nothing has changed, he is a clown and its just not worth it Slush.
I agree. The Iowa line-up is tough but aside from Spencer they are a boring non-bonus point generating gaggle! We generate bonus points. I am pissed we lots Cassar because he was one of the few HWT that could generate that bonus for us. We need Berge and Shakur healthy and wrestling up to their potential.
He is the only guy that wrestles for bonus. The rest of the team is a one or two shot effort and try and run out the clock. I watched the their match this weekend and was sleeping through most of that snorer!
So I'm guessing that's their only dual you've watched this year.
You're whiffing big-time on DeSanto, Marinelli, Kemerer, and Cassioppi. Adding Spencer makes half the lineup that typically piles up the bonus. Assad could be another guy in the works.
Lee 9-0 100% bonus
Desanto 11-1 66.67% bonus
Murin 10-1 27.27% bonus
Lugo 13-0 38.46% bonus
Young 10-2 16.67% bonus
Marinelli 13-0 53.85% bonus
Kemerer 7-0 57.14% bonus
Assad 18-3 33.33% bonus
Warner 10-3 30.77% bonus
Cassioppi 12-0 50.00% bonus
5 of 10 starters bonus more than 1/2 the time for Iowa.
Meredith 12-7 47.37% bonus
RBY 12-0 58.33% bonus
Lee 11-0 90.91% bonus
Verkleeren 12-2 35.71% bonus
Pipher 8-8 25% bonus
Joseph 6-0 66.67% bonus
Hall 15-0 80% bonus
Brooks 7-0 42.86% bonus
Rasheed 2-1 0.00% bonus
Nevills 9-0 55.56% bonus
5 out of 10 starters bonus more than half the time for Penn St
Maybe the opponent had something to do with that. Last year we beat Nebraska 25-6, virtually the same as Iowa's 26-6 win over the weekend. RBY was the only PSU wrestler to get bonus.
Also, if you look at their NCAA Tournament performances, the data says Kemerer got 2 pins in his last nationals, DeSanto got only 0.5 bonus pts less than Lee, and Young 0.5 pts behind DeSanto.
They looked flat against Jammen’s Other Favorite Team, but they get after it for the most part.
That said, Spencer’s 2nd and 3rd period scoring continues to suffer
Wonder if the NCAA will rethink the Olympic or NCAA athlete for Olympic years. That you should have to commit prior to the season. Psu has potential to be losing 2 starters (lost 1 already) and most likely a 2nd. This had to be very hard for schools to plan for
The apocalypse must be upon us. Lions defending hawks on a lions board. I've lived long enough to see the beginning and maybe the end.
Cant wait until all these new hawk fans show up acting like wrestling was invented when spencer lee showed up in iowa city.
I was there in person. Had a better angle than what's on that video. Not close to a TD? I remember a heated argument about it last year. Must have been really close.
Edit: I figured what the hell, I'll rewatch. So RBY drives Desanto out of bounds. RBY stays down hurt.
Exhibit #1 - Desanto runs back to center and takes down because he felt like he was taken down.
Exhibit #2 - Cael challenges. Apparently Cael and Cody thought it was a takedown. So Cael's going to use on of his few challenges (3 I think) because "It's not close to a TD"?
Exhibit #3 - The refs took a full 2 minutes to review it and ran it back several times.
Verdict - Your statement "Was not close to a TD" is way over the top.
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