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[98lberEating2Lunches]

My point is, the Supreme Court can’t stop Universities from dropping programs who don’t want to deal with the ruling and no longer want to lose money just to serve as a platform for some of the athletes to make money or to serve as a feeder program for the power teams. So technically, it does matter if some people don’t like it.

How does athletes having an independent income source negatively affect the bottom line for a school?

Big money donors behind a given sport can step up (or not) regardless of school size. It should make sports generally more affordable, if anything.

Do you think University Academic Leaders care much if at all, about the success on the field of their non-revenue sports?

I don't.

Athletic Administrators should care, because NIL has the potential to reduce their power and leverage. But eliminating sports would just be cutting off their nose in spite of their face.

As long as their are teams Coaches will concern themselves with the student athletes in front of them and the student body and alumni will rally behind those athletes.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

don’t feel a scholarship was enough for them

9.9 scholarships for 35 guys in the room.
The scholarships are already woefully inadequate.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

John Q tax payer be paying for an athlete of a sport I don’t even care about? And why would I want my taxes to go toward his scholarship and the money it takes to develop him into a contender only to watch him jump to another school for his payday.

I thought the Levi Lamb fund pays for athletic scholarships. Don't think tax payers do. Taxpayers cannot even get a federal deduction for donations to their college's athletic fund.

And how does NIL affect your taxes or increase the amount you might think you pay for a sport you don't like?

 

[johnstownsteel]

How does athletes having an independent income source negatively affect the bottom line for a school?

Big money donors behind a given sport can step up (or not) regardless of school size. It should make sports generally more affordable, if anything.

Do you think University Academic Leaders care much if at all, about the success on the field of their non-revenue sports?

I don't.

Athletic Administrators should care, because NIL had the potential to reduce their power and leverage. But eliminating sports would just be cutting off their nose in spite of their face.

As long as their are teams Coaches will concern themselves with the student athletes in front of them and the student body and alumni will rally behind those athletes.

When PSU can offer an athlete from let’s say Appalachian State 100 grand in NIL to come wrestle for them, why would App State want to continue running in the red, spending scholarship money and the resources it took to develop that wrestler only to see him go somewhere else to AA or become a champion?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Stanford. Are they now fully funded by donors or are they still going to be in the red every year? I’m thinking they will still be in the red. So after just deciding to just keep the program, they are now suppose to just accept being a feeder system to Iowa on their dime? I doubt it. Well, not for long anyway…

Real Woods is graduating this spring. Maybe didn't even get into Stanford grad school. Could've just as easily of transferred under old rules without sitting a year (pre Portal).

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

When PSU can offer an athlete from let’s say Appalachian State 100 grand in NIL to come wrestle for them, why would App State want to continue running in the red, spending scholarship money and the resources it took to develop that wrestler only to see him go somewhere else to AA or become a champion?

Because they want to support the other 34 student athlete wrestlers in the room who will graduate from App St, become citizen leaders, and give back to the university.

It's an investment.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Because the want to support the other 34 student athlete wrestlers in the room who will graduate from App St, become citizen leaders, and give back to the university.

It's an investment.

Well ok then. Now we are getting somewhere. I now see the errors in my thinking. In the last 30 years I always felt Universities were just looking to cut programs like wrestling that lost money. I wasn’t aware they were keeping them around because they are sound investments.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Well ok then. Now we are getting somewhere. I now see the errors in my thinking. In the last 30 years I always felt Universities were just looking to cut programs like wrestling that lost money. I wasn’t aware they were keeping them around because they are sound investments.

What was Ira Lubert's ROI to Penn State?

Not just wrestling. Many non-revenue sports.

As Ira said in his interview, enterprises should always take the long view.

 

[RoarLions1]

Great conversation about the impact of NIL on the future of college wrestling, and tbh it could be about every NCAA sport.

Sticking to wrestling, it's early, so I will wait to see what happens. Knowing it's the law now, and knowing it's here to stay does not allay some (mine too) concerns that this could be detrimental to the sport in the long run. Yep, schools/student-athletes will adapt, but it's impossible to tell what the landscape will look like in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Is it possible NIL will benefit college (universities/student-athlete's, etc.) wrestling overall? Or will it further divide what is already the have's and have-less's?

This year, with 78 D1 Wrestling programs, 67 had at least one NCAA Championships qualifier. 29 schools had an All-American (I believe). I'm hopeful all the schools survive, but that may be wishful thinking with so many fringe (it hurts to type that) programs. What will college wrestling look like in 10 years?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

wasn’t aware they were keeping them around because they are sound investments

Why do former high school athletes earn more than everyone else? : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Former high school student-athletes are seen as having more self-confidence and being better leaders, traits associated with high status jobs.

www.bls.gov

 

[johnstownsteel]

Great conversation about the impact of NIL on the future of college wrestling, and tbh it could be about every NCAA sport.

Sticking to wrestling, it's early, so I will wait to see what happens. Knowing it's the law now, and knowing it's here to stay does not allay some (mine too) concerns that this could be detrimental to the sport in the long run. Yep, schools/student-athletes will adapt, but it's impossible to tell what the landscape will look like in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Is it possible NIL will benefit college (universities/student-athlete's, etc.) wrestling overall? Or will it further divide what is already the have's and have-less's?

This year, with 78 D1 Wrestling programs, 67 had at least one NCAA Championships qualifier. 29 schools had an All-American (I believe). I'm hopeful all the schools survive, but that may be wishful thinking with so many fringe (it hurts to type that) programs. What will college wrestling look like in 10 years?

See, this is all I’m saying here. Great post Roar. I know it looks like I’m just being a hater when it comes to athletes making money but I’m not. I’m just being a realist and can see how this could all be harmful to the sport I love. I’m just throwing that side of things out there is all.

 

[RoarLions1]

What was Ira Lubert's ROI to Penn State?

Not just wrestling. Many non-revenue sports.

As Ira said in his interview, enterprises should always take the long view.

Good question. He and others have the resources to be philanthropic...in a big way. Good for the NLWC mostly, but yes, it helps PSU wrestling too. We are very fortunate at Penn State in so many ways. Suggesting it's the norm for other schools is a bit presumptuous.

The comment about enterprises taking a long view does apply here and surely was the result of his years in business. A knee-jerk reaction by AD's, Presidents, others to what is going on could be disatrous. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Let it play out and settle into a steady state, then react. Words to live by from Ira.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Why do former high school athletes earn more than everyone else? : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Former high school student-athletes are seen as having more self-confidence and being better leaders, traits associated with high status jobs.

www.bls.gov

Look, I get it and agree but I’m a wrestling fan and a fan of sports in general and fully understand what sports can do for a persons character and the life skills they can learn from it. But sorry, there a rather large faction of people out there who don’t get it…. or don’t care to get it and unfortunately some of them run our schools.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Suggesting it's the norm for other schools is a bit presumptuous.

I didn't suggest that. I simply gave a salient example.

Presuming other schools don't have similar donors (Oregon, Maryland, and Nebraska come to mind) or that others won't emerge is a bit arrogant.

 

[82bordeaux]

My personal opinion is that the NIL issue will separate the the winners from the losers, but not in the way you may think. I think that most recruits that are looking to maximize their NIL opportunities right out of high school and are primarily basing their college choice on that factor are going to be the ones that underachieve at a greater than average rate. These kids are going to need a very strong family backbone to handle it, and we know many wrestlers don't have that.
Imagine the PSU wrestlers we have enjoyed rooting for over the last dozen years. Would NIL $ have made much of a difference in their career trajectories? Think about the kids that didn't reach their goals. Would NIL money have helped them or accelerated their trajectory in the wrong direction?
I think we are going to see some top rated kids get some big NIL deals in the near future and wash out in record time. Great kids with great support systems will be fine, but there will be many others that will shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Look, I get it and agree but I’m a wrestling fan and a fan of sports in general and fully understand what sports can do for a persons character and the life skills they can learn from it. But sorry, there a rather large faction of people out there who don’t get it…. or don’t care to get it and unfortunately some of them run our schools.

What will college wrestling look like in 10 years?

I'll get back to you all with my assessment in 10 years.

 

[nerfstate]

 

[RoarLions1]

I'll get back to you all with my assessment in 10 years.

I hope we can have that discussion. It will mean I'm still here .

 

[pointingdogsrule]

He isn't happy about being recruited over and Woods getting 225k. Welcome to D1 wrestling these days. The money hurt will be a factor now and in the future.

Do you have a link for this 225000. Thanks

 

[js8793]

I saw a few Iowa fans talk about bumping Murin to 157 to make room for both Henson and Woods. If they're going after Dom Demas (allegedly) then the idea has to be being entertained at least. I surely hope they aren't paying money for Dom Demas lol.

finally got around to listening to most of first word. makes a little more sense given willie's heard murin hasn't made a decision on using his last year. it's hard to believe that he would walk away after coming so close 3x in a row, but that's also a lot of heartbreak to deal with too. demas might be an insurance policy.

 

[RoarLions1]

I didn't suggest that. I simply gave a salient example.

Presuming other schools don't have similar donors (Oregon, Maryland, and Oklahoma com to mind) or that others won't emerge is a bit arrogant.

Few have the resources Penn State has. It's not arrogant to say that. Again, good for us.

Just in Pennsylvania there are 11 D1 programs. Various levels of support. Neither of us have the answer, though I wonder how many will be around in the coming years?

 

[dunkej01]

My personal opinion is that the NIL issue will separate the the winners from the losers, but not in the way you may think. I think that most recruits that are looking to maximize their NIL opportunities right out of high school and are primarily basing their college choice on that factor are going to be the ones that underachieve at a greater than average rate. These kids are going to need a very strong family backbone to handle it, and we know many wrestlers don't have that.
Imagine the PSU wrestlers we have enjoyed rooting for over the last dozen years. Would NIL $ have made much of a difference in their career trajectories? Think about the kids that didn't reach their goals. Would NIL money have helped them or accelerated their trajectory in the wrong direction?
I think we are going to see some top rated kids get some big NIL deals in the near future and wash out in record time. Great kids with great support systems will be fine, but there will be many others that will shoot themselves in the foot.

Teasdale with a $100k could have been a miniature PD3.5

on that note PD3 with a $100k.....OMG that would have been interesting from afar. At least grandma wouldnt have had to sling dime bags any longer.

 

[El-Jefe]

Teasdale with a $100k could have been a miniature PD3.5

on that note PD3 with a $100k.....OMG that would have been interesting from afar. At least grandma wouldnt have had to sling dime bags any longer.

She'd do it for fun.

 

[McScoreley]

finally got around to listening to most of first word. makes a little more sense given willie's heard murin hasn't made a decision on using his last year. it's hard to believe that he would walk away after coming so close 3x in a row, but that's also a lot of heartbreak to deal with too. demas might be an insurance policy.

I would be totally okay if you guys went from Murin to Demas at 149. I know it's a small sample size and he might have been hurt but losing to Verk (as much as I love him) and getting manhandled by Gfeller aren't good 149 results. Murin has proven he's right there with anyone and while it's draw dependent, he's much much more likely to punch through and podium than Demas IMO.

My guess is he comes back though unless he's really hobbled and doesn't want to put his body through anymore. I know injuries are why Kemerer was kind of hesitant on returning more than anything else.

 

[dunkej01]

What's he talking about?

 

[nitlion6]

Willie mentioned on show today he won’t surprised to see Demas going to Iowa.

They have to get AA capable wrestlers someplace. It isn't like they plan on developing a ton of them.

 

[ac98]

I just don't understand this attitude.

When I look at the system of college athletics, I don't think we need to take additional steps to prevent or reduce an athlete's ability to make money while playing.

They earned their scholarship based on their athletic ability. Why are we taking it away because someone else wants to pay them for their likeness or social media presence?

Make athletic scholarship need based. If a kid is making $200k, he can afford at least the part of $45k tuition. Let the coaches give the scholarship money to the kids that aren’t getting the NIL money and the coaches will have a way to manage a roster a little.

 

[Creek Side]

What's he talking about?

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I don't know but I bet it has Iowa written all over it. 😜

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Few have the resources Penn State has. It's not arrogant to say that. Again, good for us.

Although not arrogant, I am wary of complacency in times of disruption. Circumstances can rapidly change. We probably won't have to wait the full 10 years to see the effects.

 

[CropDuster507]

lol who would've thought giving personally and professionally motivated coaches free roam to crowdsource funds to pay recent adults due to their athletic ability was a poor idea?

 

[Bob_Anderson]

What's he talking about?

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Pay for play. The concept of "NIL" is a joke, basically a no-show job.

 

[Agoodnap]

if he could make 133, i think he'd stay at iowa

Sometimes people just get exasperated at being pushed around and end up saying enough with this I'm going somewhere I'll be appreciated. Just saying...

9.9 scholarships for 35 guys in the room.
The scholarships are already woefully inadequate.

Than why were they wrestling to begin with? It's not like they just found out their are only 9.9 ships available. Also, why are there so many D3 and below schools with wrestling teams?

 

[El-Jefe]

Make athletic scholarship need based. If a kid is making $200k, he can afford at least the part of $45k tuition. Let the coaches give the scholarship money to the kids that aren’t getting the NIL money and the coaches will have a way to manage a roster a little.

Need-based like at Lehigh? They need you, you get a scholarship.

 

[Agoodnap]

Make athletic scholarship need based. If a kid is making $200k, he can afford at least the part of $45k tuition. Let the coaches give the scholarship money to the kids that aren’t getting the NIL money and the coaches will have a way to manage a roster a little.

This made me think. I agree with you and further that If NIL is treated as income, as it should be treated, than any need based aid will disappear since students are expected to contribute most if not all of their earnings to their education expenses.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

why were they wrestling to begin with?

They enjoy the sport of wrestling, and many likely qualify for academic aid that is not contingent on their participation in the sport.

why are there so many D3 and below schools with wrestling teams?

They enjoy the sport of wrestling and D3 schools give academic aid.

What was your point?
I'm not sure, because I was responding to an earlier comment about athletic scholarship money being enough.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Do you have a link for this 225000. Thanks

I have no link. It is simply word of mouth from a very connected Iowa grad who has given plenty of money that direction. I have every reason to believe he is being honest and part of a larger group of people trying to insure his school stays competitive with PSU,tOSU, and Michigan as the races to draw athletes heats up.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

If NIL is treated as income, as it should be treated, than any need based aid will disappear since students are expected to contribute most if not all of their earnings to their education expenses.

Seems easy enough to get around, assuming the a NIL contract can be written to pay money in out in future years or to a trust.

Not sure why people would think a purported 6-figure NIL deal would be paid in one tax year as a lump sum.

Was Kyle Snyder's gold medal payments put in a trust to maintain his college eligibility?

 

[jack66]

My personal opinion is that the NIL issue will separate the the winners from the losers, but not in the way you may think. I think that most recruits that are looking to maximize their NIL opportunities right out of high school and are primarily basing their college choice on that factor are going to be the ones that underachieve at a greater than average rate. These kids are going to need a very strong family backbone to handle it, and we know many wrestlers don't have that.
Imagine the PSU wrestlers we have enjoyed rooting for over the last dozen years. Would NIL $ have made much of a difference in their career trajectories? Think about the kids that didn't reach their goals. Would NIL money have helped them or accelerated their trajectory in the wrong direction?
I think we are going to see some top rated kids get some big NIL deals in the near future and wash out in record time. Great kids with great support systems will be fine, but there will be many others that will shoot themselves in the foot.

These are my thoughts as well. There are a lot of distractions and temptations on a college campus.

Give a 19-year-old kid a new car and a wad of money, not all of them will keep their eye on the target.

 

[dunkej01]

I have no link. It is simply word of mouth from a very connected Iowa grad who has given plenty of money that direction. I have every reason to believe he is being honest and part of a larger group of people trying to insure his school stays competitive with PSU,tOSU, and Michigan as the races to draw athletes heats up.

 

[Agoodnap]

They enjoy the sport of wrestling, and many likely qualify for academic aid that is not contingent on their participation in the sport.

They enjoy the sport of wrestling and D3 schools give academic aid.

What was your point?
I'm not sure, because I was responding to an earlier comment about athletic scholarship money being enough.

I was pointing out that very few wrestlers get scholarship money now so the 9.9 limit isn't woefully low since if it were there would be far fewer college wrestlers. Most wrestle because they like/want/or dare I say have fun wrestling. Same with all college sports.