Is my enemys enemy my friend?
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Im not a big 140 character guy....but its times like this that I can appreciate it.....
Bore them? What, like making press release statements lamenting the fact that a dual match, which was fully in your power to "make happen", won't happen? Got it, bruh. Too funny....
You know what's not funny? Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. In the spirit of bruhtherhood, here are some preventative exercises for you.
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Hey Azchief, like what you posted over on HR this morning. A must read for all social media type of people.
In that same spirit of bruhtherhood, here are some dance routines for you to practice:
Look, there is a guy over on HR that summarized it perfectly - VA Tech has been getting snubbed by Iowa for years about getting a dual (which I'm sure is Brands payback for the eligibility thing) and now this happens and VA Tech probably thinks it's a big conspiracy against them. And Dresser likes to shoot from the hip, obviously - anybody catch his interview following the PSU match??
Brands' response was perfect and this really is a non-issue. Actually, it's kind of a good issue for wrestling as it is raising the profile of these duals.
Hopefully, next year Iowa & VT will lineup in this bowl series (cause sure as sh*t, there is no way they are getting a dual during the regular season) and again we will have at least 2 duals with some fanfare - PSU in the championship dual, and Iowa vs. Va Tech.
Brands' response was perfect and this really is a non-issue. Actually, it's kind of a good issue for wrestling as it is raising the profile of these duals.
Hopefully, next year Iowa & VT will lineup in this bowl series (cause sure as sh*t, there is no way they are getting a dual during the regular season) and again we will have at least 2 duals with some fanfare - PSU in the championship dual, and Iowa vs. Va Tech.
I think Brands and Dressler should have a wrestle off to find out which one is the pu%%y. 
Have it on ESPN at MSG the night before nationals now that would be a show.
Have it on ESPN at MSG the night before nationals now that would be a show.
Point of interest - CP and WS said that Dresser was actually going to be on their show tomorrow (e.g., they discussed the situation in detail today between them, but Dresser is apparently going to be on their show tomorrow). Addtionally, Brands' statement is complete crap on two counts - first, the structure was #1 b1g vs highest ranked non-b1g; #2 b1g vs 2nd highest ranked non-b1g, etc.... Everybody understood the match-ups to be made this way from when the structure was agreed to before the season even started, so Brands' claim about Iowa not getting to meet PSU being the true "controversy" is completely made-up horse$hit on his part. Secondly, Brands' contention that Iowa was never given the opportunity to face PSU to settle it on the mat (via what Cael did in 2013-2014 to face Iowa at KHA in a non-b1g dual) is FALSE and a whiny disingenuous statement on his part.
BTW, both CP and WS felt there was likely substance and credibility to Dresser's statements, claims and issues with the NWCA and the "process" used which apparently included several coaches lobbying the NWCA and giving them ultimatums to participation.
Lastly, they also discussed Boyd-Mouse.
It's a conspiracy!! Add it to the list of theories...
Sheesh Franklin... Why are you so worked up?
How could you possibly take Brand's statement and make it into some kind of PSU-Iowa controversy???? He made a great statement to defuse the Dresser statements. Before this, there was absolutely no bitching from the Iowa side -the program, not the fan board - about the process. If the shoe were on the other foot, I'm sure there would be bitching over here from some. Hopefully - well, almost assuredly, since Cael and staff are always classy in their statements - the bitching would not extend to the staff. Maybe after the season, Brands will make some statements aiming to address this issue, as it is likely to come up again. As, I'm sure Cael would.
You are all wet on this.
Because he hates Iowa and Brands. I'm not sure Tom could have given a better response. Franklin is reaching for something that isn't there.
Time to change the topic and get into the finer points of stalling not being called on the mat.
1. Dresser acted foolish to blame Brands publicly. It was fine to bitch about the NWCA, but save the personal issue for another time.
2. Brands wouldn't have wanted NC State any more than he wanted Va Tech. Brands wants to save wrestling by facing the NAIA and Juco programs.
3. Va Tech gets Michigan who has a nice dual team themselves. Dresser better make sure he beats them before spouting off.
4. Wildturk is a tool.
2. Brands wouldn't have wanted NC State any more than he wanted Va Tech. Brands wants to save wrestling by facing the NAIA and Juco programs.
3. Va Tech gets Michigan who has a nice dual team themselves. Dresser better make sure he beats them before spouting off.
4. Wildturk is a tool.
It just seems far-fetched to believe that an unencumbered vote gave us these results. Its even more of a stretch to think a committee looking to make the best possible match-ups gave us these results.
Is it possible that Brands or others at Iowa somehow compromised the process? That sure looks possible to me. Is it just because Brands is an orange and is afraid to lose to VT, I highly doubt that.
IMO no college coach fights harder for his wrestlers than Tom Brands. "IF" Brands did somehow let it be know that Iowa would not participate if they had to wrestle VT, this is just another example of Brands fighting for his wrestlers. Those wrestlers being Brent Metcalf, Jay Borschel, Joey Slaton, and Dan LeClere. Is this the right thing to do, I don't know but its hard to blame Brands for sticking to his principles and there's no doubt he believes these young men were wronged by VT. Things further complicated by Zadick and DSJ now employed by Dresser...? Looks like the bad blood runs pretty deep between these two programs.
Dresser called it as he saw it, his choice of language seems unprofessional but I think he got the desired effect. Unfortunately by hook or by crook wrestling fans are missing out on a great match-up.
Is it possible that Brands or others at Iowa somehow compromised the process? That sure looks possible to me. Is it just because Brands is an orange and is afraid to lose to VT, I highly doubt that.
IMO no college coach fights harder for his wrestlers than Tom Brands. "IF" Brands did somehow let it be know that Iowa would not participate if they had to wrestle VT, this is just another example of Brands fighting for his wrestlers. Those wrestlers being Brent Metcalf, Jay Borschel, Joey Slaton, and Dan LeClere. Is this the right thing to do, I don't know but its hard to blame Brands for sticking to his principles and there's no doubt he believes these young men were wronged by VT. Things further complicated by Zadick and DSJ now employed by Dresser...? Looks like the bad blood runs pretty deep between these two programs.
Dresser called it as he saw it, his choice of language seems unprofessional but I think he got the desired effect. Unfortunately by hook or by crook wrestling fans are missing out on a great match-up.
Right on! Enough of the VTech drama and sticking up for Brands. Let's get back to the talk of our teams DOMINATION of college wrestling!
Cliff notes: Coach Dresser *really* wants his team to wrestle against Iowa. His radio show accusations and repeated insults all but ensured this won't be happening anytime soon.
Return fire that falls way short???
https://saturdaynightrideblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/18/the-toms-respond-kind-of/
https://saturdaynightrideblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/18/the-toms-respond-kind-of/
Not posting on Hawkeye Report anymore or did you get ran out of town for being too "genuine" of a Hawk fan? Probably the only Hawkeye fan I have seen on this board with way more "likes" than posts. Fishy... One thing I am not is fake. I have only passionately supported 1 team for 30+years now. No wagon hopping from this loyal fan.
By-the-by, Dresser claims this WAS NOT the preseason agreement reached between the various conferences and the NWCA as to how the final selection of pairings would be made for the "NWCA National Duals BCS" event. I would assume that Dresser should know given that he was the ACC Representative to the "Committee". According to Dresser, the NWCA agreed to use ALL available information including ALL the nationally-recognized dual-strength indicies, rankings and polls....not "just the NWCA Coaches Poll". Furthermore, Dresser says the specific topic absolutely was raised in the pre-season discussions of the format due to the inherent conflict of interest of coaches voting in a ranking that will impact not only their own participation and placing, but could also impact other teams' placings and participation via their vote!
The topic was raised because they wanted to avoid the exact situation we currently have where the NWCA Poll is an outlier in regards to VaTech's placement relative to EVERY OTHER nationally-recognized Dual Team strength ranking, index or poll. Again, not just disagreeing with some of them, but 100% of the other Dual Team Strength rankings and polls in ranking VaTech behind NC State! Dresser very clearly in his statements is saying that Tom Ryan is lying when he says it was "agreed to" in the pre-season, when the format was being fleshed-out, that the last NWCA Poll would be used exclusively to determine placing and pairings - Dresser says the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE was "agreed to" (e.g., all available information including all nationally-recognized polls, rankings and strength indices would be used). Very interesting! Also very interesting is all the "legal" sounding, half-denial statements being released once the some sunshine has been let into the windows of the NWCA's non-transparent process.
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Good for you. You certainly wear the black and gold blinders proudly. I never once claimed to be a "genuine hawk fan" whatever that is. I am a fan of Iowa wrestling but prefer ISU. Don't you have a big dual against Montana Northern A&M or something to talk about on HR?
Take a step back from the personal side of this. Wrestling gets some great season ending match ups . Fans get to see the best teams as they are peaking. All the water cooler argument about who is better......is good for the sport. The non-traditional match ups are good for the sport. Maybe some little kid, who does't get to see wrestling will catch a match and say......that is pretty cool. If the weekend is about Dresser and Brands then we all lose.
Exhibit A and B provided. You tell me what a "genuine hawk fan" is Mr Whitters as you did indeed claim to be a couple days ago..
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Okay, if the process was so fair and the voting coaches had no agendas, why doesn't the NWCA defuse this in the simplest way possible....release Tom Ryan's ballot and the other 11 voting coaches ballots, so we can see the identity of each coach and how they voted.....and how the final rankings ended up like they are? In Ryan's formal statement above, he says something very peculiar - I'm not sure who all caught it....he says "the 10 coaches took a vote" to use the NWCA Rankings exclusively - there are 12 coaches "Poll Committee" so clearly they didn't include all 12 when they voted to use the NWCA Poll exclusively to determine the pairings in contravention of earlier commitments to use all available recognized rankings and polls. Interesting.
Let me rephrase as you are a little slow. I am a genuine hawk fan, but have never claimed to be your definition of a "genuine hawk fan." I do not blindly follow leadership if I believe the direction of that leadership is astray. You simply march to the orders.
We both spend much time here because this is the best college wrestling board. HR is full of whining and false hope and ISU boards are full of nothing as few people even care anymore. I fully admit to jumping on the PSU bandwagon because of Cael. We are both here because of jealousy. Different roads to the same dark destination.
I agree as wrestling fans we get to see some great matches this weekend; however, for me, there is a bigger issue here. From everything I've read it appears that the NWCA did not follow the initially agreed to process for determining the matchups; only in the NWCA poll is NCS ahead of VT. In and of itself no big deal; however, their process was not followed. Now what if the NWCA had convinced the NCAA that the dual championship process would provide some level of points to the NCAA team championship? I think that would put quite a different spin on this event for PSU wrestling fans; even most Iowa posters seem to agree that an Iowa - VT match would have been a better match and the tougher match. Or change the scenario, Iowa is rated #1 and gets to play OSU and PSU is #2 and matched against NCS - I don't think our Hawk friends would be too happy about that either. Bottom line - if we can't trust the NWCA to properly follow an agree to process in setting up a dual championship which has no affect on the NCAA team championship, do we have any confidence that they could do any better when such a setup or similar setup does affect the national team championship? We are not near any decision for this to happen yet, but we do know the NWCA has been trying to influence the national team championship process. Based on this singular, relatively simple dual championship process, I have no confidence in the NWCAs ability to conduct a dual championship whose brackets are established through an unbiased and fully transparent process.
So now you are a genuine hawk fan again? About as genuine as that leather belt you are wearing from Walmart. You got caught in in a fib and are dancing around it. Figures.
I post on at least 10 wrestling message boards with half of my handles being Wildturk/Wildturkey/Wildturkey44/Turk ect. İ like this board yes indeed, but HawkeyeReport is my home and imo is the best, most active board around. I have got to know several posters here from around all the boards I visit. You don't like HR because many of the regular posters called you out for being a mole the first couple days you started posting just a few weeks ago. And FYI blind or not I would follow Tom Brands around anywhere. He is the definition of a true genuine Hawkeye. Good night to you James
I never said the process was fair or if the folks who put the matchups together followed the originally defined rules. Saying you are going to follow a predetermined pattern, yet allow 12 coaches to vote in secret is inherently contradictory. Seems like everyone knew that going in but everyone was hopeful the 12 would get it right. If the predetermined #1 in the BT vs #1 outside the BT had given us PSU vs VT....again....you would want the 12 to override. What we have is definitely better than previous years.....at least in my opinion.
Good luck.
It is a flawed system, but at least we have some very good matches to watch Sunday/Monday.
Thanks PC. I was thinking of Jimmy too in that. Not like his name is being dragged through the mud here...it isn't. I think their are legit reasons why fans might want to see another route taken at 141. However, it may be construed by those close to him as disloyalty by the fandom when it's not. Except for Lemonpie...he is one disloyal pain in the arse
Anyways, this is what fans do...kick the tires.Thanks PC. I was thinking of Jimmy too in that. Not like his name is being dragged through the mud here...it isn't. I think their are legit reasons why fans might want to see another route taken at 141. However, it may be construed by those close to him as disloyalty by the fandom when it's not. Except for Lemonpie...he is one disloyal pain in the arse
Best post I have read in quite some time. The young men give heart and soul to this sport and it is unkind to most. I can't imagine how a parent must feel when a kid good enough to wrestle at any of these top schools gets ragged on. I guess it is part of the challenge when you wrestle high profile. I doubt anyone over at MSU is trashing wrestlers. It happens less everyday at ISU because it has become the expectation to fail. I will hammer coaches and certainly hammer fans, but try to leave the wrestlers alone. They are the guys in the battle.
Thanks PC. I was thinking of Jimmy too in that. Not like his name is being dragged through the mud here...it isn't. I think their are legit reasons why fans might want to see another route taken at 141. However, it may be construed by those close to him as disloyalty by the fandom when it's not. Except for Lemonpie...he is one disloyal pain in the arse
Haha. Yeah yeah. I just have a little harmless fun at his expense. I truly want him to succeed.
My single issue with this entire back and forth is a small piece of Brands' response. The part where he writes the only controversy is that Iowa should be wrestling Penn State for the championship. First, yes I wish that would have been a possibility. Second, as I posted someplace Brands had the opportunity to come to Penn State to wrestle this year and if he had done so we would have had that match already. The other benefit is there would now be the beginning of a tradition. The years the B1G does not get that match scheduled there would be in place a rotation and an expectation.
It is a real shame that opportunity was wasted.
It is a real shame that opportunity was wasted.
I probably just missed it but do we know for sure that Brands turned down wrestling PSU this year?
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