I underestimated McKenna because of what Thorn did to him. Better to take the loss now. Lee will get revenge in the Big 10 tourney (unless Thorn beats McKenna again first...)
Is Nick Lee not a safe space for conversation?
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I underestimated McKenna because of what Thorn did to him. Better to take the loss now. Lee will get revenge in the Big 10 tourney (unless Thorn beats McKenna again first...)
The only thing I'm disappointed in you with is you not spell checking what should have been an awesome screen name. Who remembers the Indianrockolis 500?
How many years does PD3 Jr Lewis spend on a college campus before he develops past romper room?
lol it was sarcasm while screaming at the TV. Guy is F'ing G though. Let's be real, Mark Hall as an 18 year old probably was an NCAA qualifier (HS sophomore/jr?). My point is guys who are that old aren't "true freshman" in so far as true freshman typically links up with "kid who graduated HS and got the right to vote within the last 6 months". Hall is awesome and fun to watch. He is also very accomodating to every kid who asks him to sign something, or for a picture.
Yes, in terms of college eligibility, but like I said, he spent a year training in a college room. That's not really "true freshman" behavior. Austin Desanto? True freshman in every sense. Nick Lee? Basically a RS Freshman.
During the season, a loss is a win...from a learning standpoint. He’ll be better off in the long run...even in the short-term (think Big Ten’s and NCAA’s) given his attitude after the bout.
I was just talking this last weekend about Nico his freshman year and how Joseph avenged all his earlier losses
Yes, we all get it. My son matriculated at Villanova this fall at 17 while many of his classmates are a year or more older. Age-wise you could play the reverse game and say my son should still be considered a high school senior. But he isn't. Who cares? At the end of the day, beginning this season Nick Lee has five years to wrestle four for Penn State. He's a "true freshman" in the only designation that counts, the NCAA eligibility designation. I do agree Mark Hall is mature beyond his years (unlike a certain 25-year-old HWC social media phenom). He's a class act.
It was nice seeing him happy and enjoying himself during the after match celebration. I agree he’s better off having wrestled that match than not. And I think Lee is known for getting the better of guys who’ve previously beat him.
I enjoyed reading your post. Don't let butthurt people make you feel like your opinion is unwanted on this board. You have a good point with Mark Hall, redshirt freshman shouldnt often be 21 aside from academic issues.
I think you replied to the wrong person. Goggles didn't say anything about Hall. And here's something for you:
my point is he is by default more advanced then a typical true freshman since he has been in a college room for an extra year. Measuring him on the barometer of "true freshman" seems unfair.
There can be only one true Goggles Paisano. I am just an imitation. I have a reader on this board for the last 5 years and a couple of contributing years on the mats lions247, I finally broke down and jumped in here. Onthemats gets to quiet in the off-season especially. I promise not to be the new Spyker.
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I thought it was DJ Dunky J where is The Fresh Prince at.
Keep posting Paizano. Things get a little heated at times, but it's among friends!
I’m not worrried about Lee. If he finishes the season well everyone will forget about those losses. Hall lost to Brucki and Meyer his true freshman year. Spencer Lee has a loss to Ronnie Bresser. Almost all true freshmen have a few weird losses.
So after 5 years of reading this board, the OP decides to start posting by complaining that we aren't bashing Lee for losing to McKenna. lol, yea ok, garbage thread, get real.
Wrong poster Mr. butthurt....and eligibility wise, he isn't a 21 year old rs freshman, he is a sophomore that just turned 21 last month, pretty much right where he should be for a Div I athlete so there's absolutely no reason to dwell on a redshirt he didn't take, well other then to troll a guy that annoys you because he just keeps on winning.
Wrong poster Mr. butthurt....and eligibility wise, he isn't a 21 year old rs freshman, he is a sophomore that just turned 21 last month, pretty much right where he should be for a Div I athlete so there's absolutely no reason to dwell on a redshirt he didn't take, well other then to troll a guy that annoys you because he just keeps on winning.
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Not sure I saw any "bashing" in my general praise for Lee, but cheers to you for hitting two posters in one reply Mr. Basher.. Lee's performace or better yet the result was certainly dissapointing given it was one of a few extremely pivotal must win matches. Given the importance I thought Lee could have wrestled smarter especially in the 3rd taking MK's riding time point intio consideration. I Hope your knee jerk response was not just compensating for your earlier post:
"Agree, Lee is a better version of Thorn and Thorn was a matchup nightmare for McKenna. Lee wins that one going away, imo."
The only nightmare there was your prediction. Thorn caught him twice for tilts on the very same gramby for back points. Aside from that, Thorn was not that impressive and MacKenna the agressor the whole match.
In balance. I think we all underestimated MacKenna, myself and Nick included. Simply assuming a #6 more talented more agressive Lee would easily beat a #11 didn't take into account some of the studs Mackenna has faced and beat in the past, let alone his strength and experience. His body of work is pretty impressive. Although not a podium caliber guy he is very solid, strong and experienced losing mostly to very good ranked wrestlers. C Piles saw this one coming and there is almost a universal belief Nick will learn much from this match and take care of business with MacKenna from this point forward. I agree.
"Agree, Lee is a better version of Thorn and Thorn was a matchup nightmare for McKenna. Lee wins that one going away, imo."
The only nightmare there was your prediction. Thorn caught him twice for tilts on the very same gramby for back points. Aside from that, Thorn was not that impressive and MacKenna the agressor the whole match.
In balance. I think we all underestimated MacKenna, myself and Nick included. Simply assuming a #6 more talented more agressive Lee would easily beat a #11 didn't take into account some of the studs Mackenna has faced and beat in the past, let alone his strength and experience. His body of work is pretty impressive. Although not a podium caliber guy he is very solid, strong and experienced losing mostly to very good ranked wrestlers. C Piles saw this one coming and there is almost a universal belief Nick will learn much from this match and take care of business with MacKenna from this point forward. I agree.
As the saying goes, give a person enough rope and they'll hang themselves. Expending a lot of energy here over one match and quoting posts from themat. I wonder which tool you are from over there or are you a McKenna family member or friend?? Yep, McKenna proved me wrong, FOR NOW, doesn't change the fact he was majored and pinned by Thorn, a wrestler Lee destroyed. Nevertheless that really that has nothing to do with you trying unsuccessfully to pass yourself as someone interested in legitimate discussion over here. Here's some good advise, don't try to outsmart people smarter then you, it doesn't work.
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Well, judging by the tone of things, it seems Nick Lee is not as much a safe space as Iran, but is probably still more a safe space than Iowa.
Just a heads up--at least around here (but I think pretty much everywhere), "podium" in NCAA terms means placing 1st though 8th, aka All American. Joey placed 3rd his freshman season.
Edit: thanks @El-Jefe, I dunno if there's coffee in heaven or not, but that's why I oughta 'drink it right here"
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Maybe it's me. True frosh, big talent, unlimited motor, but his neutral defence needs work, way to many takedowns vs lesser competition, and although he rides very tough he isn't having the easiest time turning guys. I expect more I guess knowing he is learning from Zain everyday in the room. I see elite wrestlers giving him trouble for the rest of this year. We are lucky to have him and I am in no way shape or form anti-Lee, he is just looking like a freshman. He did have one full year in the room though.
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You keep saying a year in the room. He was wrestling freestyle during NLWC hours. It’s not like he was a regular workout partner for Zain in folk...
As an aside, I think Turk is my 3rd favorite Hawk, after the Young Guns. He actually wrestles, and seems unafraid. It was a good battle for Nick.
While training with the NLWC is definitely a step up from HS, it is NOT the same as training in the room. Nick Lee is a very talented true freshman in every regard.
If Hall was a traditional second year college student he would have turned 20 a few weeks ago. That one year is a big deal how?
My two oldest grandkids were born 2 months apart. Because of school start choices they are in different grades. The older one is one of the youngest in her class the 2nd born is one of the oldest in his class.
Teaching moments are great things to put to use. Good job using one to educate the less educated one.
More of an issue in youth wrestling. I have a problem with kids being held back and starting later because of sports maturity opportunities. Not for education related opportunities.
Anyone hear the Casey Cunnningham interview after the match today? Called Nick a straight up beast. I like the sound of that especially coming from Casey.
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Just sayin!!!!
Fabulous talent but... He needs to add more muscle for next year. He has the speed, the talent, the pace, the skills... But at times the lack of raw strength shows.
That last match exemplified where his development needs to go. When wrestling vs AA or above talent he usually out works and out shoots his competition but he has trouble converting while at the same time his defense vs the shot is not quite there. His conversion rate of shots to takedowns is <50% while defending the competition scores >50% on fewer shots. He should have converted at least 3-4 of those shots but didn't have the power to convert, and several of those shots he simply couldn't hip his way out.
Fabulous talent but... He needs to add more muscle for next year. He has the speed, the talent, the pace, the skills... But at times the lack of raw strength shows.
That last match exemplified where his development needs to go. When wrestling vs AA or above talent he usually out works and out shoots his competition but he has trouble converting while at the same time his defense vs the shot is not quite there. His conversion rate of shots to takedowns is <50% while defending the competition scores >50% on fewer shots. He should have converted at least 3-4 of those shots but didn't have the power to convert, and several of those shots he simply couldn't hip his way out.
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You're wrong. He got out in 20 seconds. The problem was giving up a takedown right after.
Disagree. It gave Carr a second wind. THat cost him. Take neutral keep pushing him. And I believe it was more than 20
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