Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?

[kijana]

I'll take talented recruits over big name recruits. Antonio Logan El was a Big Name recruit. James Conner was a talented recruit. Eric Shrive was a Big Name Recruit. Aaron Donald was a talented recruit.

Jared Odrick was a big name recruit AND a talented recruit. Tamba Hali was a big name recruit AND talented recruit. Mike Hull was a big name recruit AND talented recruit. I guess in your opinion, any Pitt verbal is a "talented recruit" while all PSU recruits are nothing more than "big name" recruits.

 

[pittguy81]

Yeah, because since those guys played for coaching staffs which are long gone recruits will want to flock to Pitt. High school kids aren't that stupid but then again maybe Pitt is banking on the fact they are.

I remember when it was announced TCU was going to join the Big East. Pitt fans were ecstatic and felt Texas blue chippers would be flocking to Oakland because the Texas recruiting pipeline was tapped. Of course the TCU move later fell apart. The point is simply having a state in your conference doesn't automatically mean you'll get recruits from there. Much more goes into it than that.

Your outlier theory if full of holes too. As a conference, the schools in the Big Ten have much more in common institutionally than do the ACC schools. That more than makes up for your geographical reference which nowadays means nothing. Northwestern aside, the Big Ten is made up of large state schools with sizeable alumni bases. The ACC is an odd conglomeration of large state schools and small private schools. Pitt is an outlier not only in a simple geographical sense but also it how its profile compares to others within the conference.

You comments relative to TCU are nothing but fabrication...lies cut from whole cloth. I've been a season ticket holder for decades and what you say is rubbish.

So you are saying that Rutgers, Maryland and PSU are three peas in a pod? Interesting.

Pitt is a Research powerhouse which meshes nicely with many ACC schools.

 

[pittguy81]

Jared Odrick was a big name recruit AND a talented recruit. Tamba Hali was a big name recruit AND talented recruit. Mike Hull was a big name recruit AND talented recruit. I guess in your opinion, any Pitt verbal is a "talented recruit" while all PSU recruits are nothing more than "big name" recruits.

The point sailed well over your head if that's what you gleaned from the post.

 

[lionlurker]

The proof is in the pudding. Today we just added the #1 kid in the state. Pitt has so far a total of 3 recruits, total. We have 5 4* recruits, alone. Clearly JF is winning the battle this year, too.

 

[kijana]

It's not hard to understand. Pitt being in the ACC has opened up new recruiting territories for them. It doesn't matter if a kid is from NC, VA, MD NJ PA OH FL etc.

Kids seeing former Pitt players like Fitz, Shady, Revis and Aaron Donald in the NFL adds credibility as a viable option.

The Big 10 is a Midwestern centric conference and always will be. PSU , RU and MD are outliers as much as Pitt is. Your argument is specious.

And, Pitt is a Midwestern school(culturally, western PA is more like the Midwest than the Northeast) playing in a southeastern football conference. Kids from VA/NC/SC aren't going to flock to Pitt just because Pitt is now part of the conference. Did BC have a rejuvenation in recruiting when they joined the ACC? Should we expect bluechip recruits from VA/NC/SC to flock to Syracuse now that they are part of the ACC? Sure, Pitt has a couple good kids in the NFL but guess what? So does about 60 other schools. Hell, there are probably some MAC schools that can rattle off some names of former players who are studs in the NFL.

 

[NittPicker]

You comments relative to TCU are nothing but fabrication...lies cut from whole cloth. I've been a season ticket holder for decades and what you say is rubbish.

So you are saying that Rutgers, Maryland and PSU are three peas in a pod? Interesting.

Pitt is a Research powerhouse which meshes nicely with many ACC schools.

What the hell are you talking about? TCU accepted an offer from the Big East then backed out and had to pay a penalty to a conference they never officially joined. Hardly rubbish. Look it up Nostradumbass. On second thought, that's likely too much work for you. Here's a link I found after a ten second search. http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/tcu_bypasses_big_east_to_join.html

I personally know Pitt fans who felt Texas high school talent would come rushing north with the addition of TCU. But hey, since you're a PItt season ticket holder please set me straight and point out where I made up a lie about anything.

And yes. Rutgers, Maryland and PSU are three peas in the same pod along with 11 other schools. Nice try at spinning my words though.

 

[kijana]

The point sailed well over your head if that's what you gleaned from the post.

It's was pretty evident that you were implying that PSU got the bigger name recruits but Pitt got the better talented recruits(and, by extension, the big name PSU recruits weren't every good in college).

 

[pittguy81]

The proof is in the pudding. Today we just added the #1 kid in the state. Pitt has so far a total of 3 recruits, total. We have 5 4* recruits, alone. Clearly JF is winning the battle this year, too.

The proof is on the field not a recruiting website in May. It's a long way until February.

 

[pittguy81]

It's was pretty evident that you were implying that PSU got the bigger name recruits but Pitt got the better talented recruits(and, by extension, the big name PSU recruits weren't every good in college).

I can't help what you infer. One of the posters said Pitt won't get "Big Name Recruits"

My point was Pitt has had very talented players who didn't ring the bell as "Big Name Recruits".

Poz was a 3*. Logan El was a 5*. It's a crap shoot and these recruiting "analysts" don't know anything more than you or I do. It's a con game to generate site hits and cash.

 

[kijana]

The proof is on the field not a recruiting website in May. It's a long way until February.

The favorite line of a fan from a school who gets off to a slow start in recruiting. Yes, LOI Day is a long way off but for the most part, the schools that are sitting pretty in late May are the same schools that are sitting pretty come LOI Day.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

To the OP's point, I tend to agree with any statement that features the words "Pitt" and any derivative of the word "swallow"!

 

[kijana]

I can't help what you infer. One of the posters said Pitt won't get "Big Name Recruits"

My point was Pitt has had very talented players who didn't ring the bell as "Big Name Recruits".

Poz was a 3*. Logan El was a 5*. It's a crap shoot and these recruiting "analysts" don't know anything more than you or I do. It's a con game to generate site hits and cash.

But, research has shown, that the schools who have the consistently high recruiting classes, are the same schools that finish in the top 20 every season. Sure, you can look at an individual recruit and say he exceeded his recruiting rankings or some kid did not live up to his recruiting rankings but the schools that have the top rated classes every year are generally the ones that have the most year in year out success.

 

[71camaro]

It's a crap shoot and these recruiting "analysts" don't know anything more than you or I do. It's a con game to generate site hits and cash.

Weird how they have no clue, but the schools that tend to recruit better according to the sites also tend to perform better (Bama, OSU, USC, etc)

 

[pittguy81]

Sure, Pitt has a couple good kids in the NFL but guess what? So does about 60 other schools. Hell, there are probably some MAC schools that can rattle off some names of former players who are studs in the NFL.

Pitt has several of THE BEST PLAYERS in the NFL...which is nothing new. Just check the NFL Hall of Fame.

Which MAC schools have 8 players currently in the NFL HOF and likely more on the way?

Which MAC school recently produce a player who won the Nagurski, Lombardi, Bednarik and Outland trophies...and then was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft and won NFC defensive Player of the Year?

Did you know Aaron Donald only had offers from Pitt, Toledo, Akron and Rutgers?

Pitt will continue to get good players and put them in the NFL. Ru and MD joining the Big 10 has done nothing to Pitt and will not. They are non factor.

 

[Alphabets]

Nm the B1G, Penn State alone is swallowing up Pitt.

The state has yest again been dominated. #1 recruit in PA, welcome Mr. Michal Menet!

 

[lionlurker]

Pittguy, when will the recruits, come, then? You only have 3 so far. By any measure Narduzzi is off to a slow start.

 

[mikemauti42]

Narduzzi better get his pick out and keep chiseling away looking for diamonds in the rough, because it appears he is not a good closer.

 

[pittguy81]

Weird how they have no clue, but the schools that tend to recruit better according to the sites also tend to perform better (Bama, OSU, USC, etc)

I never said they didn't have a clue. I said they have don't have special insight. They are the college equivalent of Mel Kiper...who has manged to make a good buck peddling his questionable "expertise"

Some do while others that recruit well according to the sites don't fare so well recently. Tennessee, Michigan, Florida, Texas.

Michigan State and Wisconsin don't have classes with lofty ranking but they win a lot on the field.

 

[kijana]

Pitt has several of THE BEST PLAYERS in the NFL...which is nothing new. Just check the NFL Hall of Fame.

Which MAC schools have 8 players currently in the NFL HOF and likely more on the way?

Which MAC school recently produce a player who won the Nagurski, Lombardi, Bednarik and Outland trophies...and then was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft and won NFC defensive Player of the Year?

Did you know Aaron Donald only had offers from Pitt, Toledo, Akron and Rutgers?

Pitt will continue to get good players and put them in the NFL. Ru and MD joining the Big 10 has done nothing to Pitt and will not. They are non factor.

Do you really think high schools kids today are going to choose to attend Pitt simply because guys like Dorsett and Marino played there eons ago?

60+ other schools can say they put good players into the NFL. Pitt isn't unique in this regard just because they have a couple star players in the NFL.

Right now, Central Michigan has about as many kids in the NFL as Pitt does and their alumni include Antonio Brown, Joe Staley, and former 1st overall pick Eric Fisher.

 

[pittguy81]

Thanks for generally being somewhat civil.

I'm done for now.

It's how you guys feel when OSU fans look down their noses at you. It gets tiresome.

 

[pittguy81]

Do you really think high schools kids today are going to choose to attend Pitt simply because guys like Dorsett and Marino played there eons ago?

60+ other schools can say they put good players into the NFL. Pitt isn't unique in this regard just because they have a couple star players in the NFL.

Right now, Central Michigan has about as many kids in the NFL as Pitt does and their alumni include Antonio Brown, Joe Staley, and former 1st overall pick Eric Fisher.

No more like current stars such as Fitz, Shady, Revis or Donald.

Pitt puts elite talent into the NFL and always has. That will not change.

 

[nits74]

Is that a bad thing?

Recruiting arguments aside, great comeback line, pittguy. Funny.

 

[Hotshoe]

Your argument is based upon hate and hope.

New coach and aggressive staff who are in their first recruiting cycle. Proclamations in May mean nothing, nor do commit lists. February will tell the tale.

Dude, you're Pitt, deal with it. It is what it is.

 

[kijana]

No more like current stars such as Fitz, Shady, Revis or Donald.

Pitt puts elite talent into the NFL and always has. That will not change.

Penn State(and dozens of other schools) put elite talent into the NFL as well so how is that a selling point for Pitt versus other schools?

 

[pittguy81]

Penn State(and dozens of other schools) put elite talent into the NFL as well so how is that a selling point for Pitt versus other schools?

Well, very few put the number of elite level talents into the league as does Pitt and the list is impressive to any objective person... it is a selling point irrespective of your disdain...as is sharing facilities with the Steelers.

 

[kijana]

Well, very few put the number of elite level talents into the league as does Pitt and the list is impressive to any objective person... it is a selling point irrespective of your disdain...as is sharing facilities with the Steelers.

Well, I guess high school kids in recent years aren't buying what Pitt's various coaching staffs have been selling in recent years.

 

[lionlurker]

Well, very few put the number of elite level talents into the league as does Pitt and the list is impressive to any objective person... it is a selling point irrespective of your disdain...as is sharing facilities with the Steelers.

It didn't help Chryst much, and Narduzzi's reputation as a recruiter wasn't all that good, no matter how energetic he appears by comparison to his predecessor. Not insult, just fact. MSU people have said as much. Great coach, mediocre recruiter.

 

[jason21psu]

Michigan State and Wisconsin don't have classes with lofty ranking but they win a lot on the field.

Actually the last 4-5 years MSU has done pretty well recruiting averaging about a top 25 class. And are sitting at #9 currently for 2016. Wisconsin is a much better comparison.

 

[NC2017]

The proof is on the field not a recruiting website in May. It's a long way until February.

Pitt is a greasy stain on a leisure suit.

 

[kijana]

Well, very few put the number of elite level talents into the league as does Pitt and the list is impressive to any objective person... it is a selling point irrespective of your disdain...as is sharing facilities with the Steelers.

Also, Pitt has had a grand total of 4 kids drafted over the last 4 drafts. PSU had 12 kids drafted in the same time period despite all the attrition due to the sanctions. I would think having a consistently good/great track record of placing a high number of kids into the NFL year after year trumps only placing a few kids into the NFL every few years even if a couple of those kids become stars.

 

[docwilly]

Pittguy, when will the recruits, come, then? You only have 3 so far. By any measure Narduzzi is off to a slow start.

 

[docwilly]

Latest reccruiting rankings.....PSU #13,Md.,19...Rutgers 52 PITT?????#69
nuff said. Thats my 2 minutes for today on the new board"

 

[fairgambit]

Latest reccruiting rankings.....PSU #13,Md.,19...Rutgers 52 PITT?????#69
nuff said. Thats my 2 minutes for today on the new board"

In five years, Pitt will have a better program than Rutgers. They will be one of the better teams in the ACC.

 

[dawgduice]

I can't help what you infer. One of the posters said Pitt won't get "Big Name Recruits"

My point was Pitt has had very talented players who didn't ring the bell as "Big Name Recruits".

Poz was a 3*. Logan El was a 5*. It's a crap shoot and these recruiting "analysts" don't know anything more than you or I do. It's a con game to generate site hits and cash.

That is the case on "occasion" BUT by far and away 4 stars will beat 3 stars. Just ASK Alabama, USC, OSU. It really is NOT that complicated. Certainly that is not everything, but
Look, Pitt wil land 2-3 (4 star guys every year), the rest will be 3's and a few 2's. They can win with that. Occasionally, once every 4-5 years they might be top 20 (see Syracuse, Pitt, BC). It is really about the drop in talent from Western PA. Pitt needs to expand South to recruit some "decent" talent. That, sorry to say, can be an academic nightmare.

As PSU I expect them to be "top 20" EVERY YEAR. Why? Their coach CAN RECRUIT, PSU can recruit a much larger area than a Pitt. And I expect PSU to become a National recruit destination in 3-4 years.

 

[rocky_dog7]

Long day, needed a good laugh, went back and looked at Pitt's recruiting class of LY

 

[demlion]

I think we are starting to see the beginning results of what adding Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG 10 has done to Pitt. The area from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland has really become BIG 10 country. It was prior, but now you are starting to see Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, etc creep deeper into PA, over into New Jersey, and into Maryland. These schools recruited these areas before but now they are much more prevalent. In addition, I think Maryland and Rutgers will see an uptick and pull out the kids in Maryland and DC that the OSU, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State do not get, because they will want to play against their friends in the B1G.

Pitt is basically on an island by itself in Big 10 country. This won't prevent Pitt from getting Pittsburgh kids. I still think they will land them from time to time. However, outside of Pittsburgh, kids really are looking at Pitt as more of an afterthought than they had previously. If Pitt was getting second level recruits previously, I think they will start to see that even moreso. Instead of getting a top 10 kid in Jersey, they might start getting top 20+. I don't think we will see the true effect of this for a few years, but Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G was probably the worst case scenario for Pitt.

Seems to me there is something to this, AND to the notion that the B1G and NE areas of the country, including Toledo East (Pgh), simply do not have the numbers they used to. To say that the recent expansion of the B1G caused Pitt's ongoing, systematic, structural, cant-get-out-of-their-own-way weakness is to place too much emphasis on recent events. Its like punching a 107 yo guy with cancer--it may not kill him, but it damned sure wont help.;-) BTW, pittguy81 ought to change his name to "48-14rightafterIgraduated."

 

[pittguy81]

Well, I guess high school kids in recent years aren't buying what Pitt's various coaching staffs have been selling in recent years.

James Conner All American, Tyler Boyd First team ACC sure fire 1st round NFL draft pick, and Aaron Donald NFL 1st round draft pick NFC Defensive Rookie of the Year say I'm still buying. Whitehead does too...so does Alex Bookser...and Dorian Johnson...and JP Holtz

 

[pittguy81]

In five years, Pitt will have a better program than Rutgers. They will be one of the better teams in the ACC.

Stop being reasonable. Your cohort will turn on you

 

[pittguy81]

That is the case on "occasion" BUT by far and away 4 stars will beat 3 stars. Just ASK Alabama, USC, OSU. It really is NOT that complicated. Certainly that is not everything, but
Look, Pitt wil land 2-3 (4 star guys every year), the rest will be 3's and a few 2's. They can win with that. Occasionally, once every 4-5 years they might be top 20 (see Syracuse, Pitt, BC). It is really about the drop in talent from Western PA. Pitt needs to expand South to recruit some "decent" talent. That, sorry to say, can be an academic nightmare.

As PSU I expect them to be "top 20" EVERY YEAR. Why? Their coach CAN RECRUIT, PSU can recruit a much larger area than a Pitt. And I expect PSU to become a National recruit destination in 3-4 years.

So you are saying that Southern kids tend to be dumb? Another interesting factiod from the PSU faithful.

The balance of your homeristic opinion is duly noted. Every school can recruit the same geography BTW

 

[pittguy81]

Long day, needed a good laugh, went back and looked at Pitt's recruiting class of LY

I just watched a replay of the Northwestern game...or look at James Franklin's photoshop of himself as half man half female lioness.