Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?
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Exactly. None are man enough to admit it, but kids getting raped was the greatest thing that could happen to Pitt and the Lair. They act like they give two sh1ts about the victims....... We all know you don't. They even stoop as low as making fun of THON. I remembered one idiot claimed he even slammed a door in a THON girls face and told her she should be ashamed, as he wore his Panther shirt. Lol. Now, we all know this is fabricated bc the guy is clearly a pu$$y and would never have the balls to do it, but still, it's sick to even say.
The Lair makes light of child rape, might as well make fun of pediatric cancer as well. What's next?
The Lair makes light of child rape, might as well make fun of pediatric cancer as well. What's next?
Some good points in the thread. Some Pitt people that are actually interacting without flames and make good points. Narduzzi may be able to draw some talent and achieve some success, but the problem is that, when he does, he is gone. It is rare when a school like Penn State gets a talented coach, like in the mid 60's, and he stays despite better offers elsewhere.
The other point made by Glov that Pittsburgh is not mid-West is true, but it is certainly not East Coast. While I find many ex-Pittsburghers on the East Coast. To the folks that live here, Pittsburgh is somewhere out beyond the mountains in a land far, far, far away.
The other point made by Glov that Pittsburgh is not mid-West is true, but it is certainly not East Coast. While I find many ex-Pittsburghers on the East Coast. To the folks that live here, Pittsburgh is somewhere out beyond the mountains in a land far, far, far away.
It's bad enough when they attack Joe given that he followed the law, he was exonerated by the Office of the Attorney General, he was exonerated by Frank Fina, he was never charged with a crime, the ncaa's guidelines outlines Joe's actions exactly, and the wins were restored. It's disgusting that they derive enjoyment from sandusky. It's further disgusting that they attack THON. They are the lowest of the low. Their jealousy and hatred know no bounds.
I've heard some people refer to Pittsburgh as the Paris of Appalachia. I don't know if it was complimentary to Appalachia or insulting to Paris. In any case, living in western PA I can say nobody I know considers themselves to be even the slightest bit midwestern. Some may think themselves east coast but that's likely because the state is in the east. As for the point of the OP, there is a lot of truth to it. Of the three Yankee ACC schools, one is a public school in an area where another school is vastly more popular. The other two are private schools without a strong alumni presence. In the next round of realignment maybe the ACC will dump the Yankee schools and go after some in the Big XII.
I wouldn't be so sure he's gone if he has success. This is pretty close to home for him and he fits in here nicely. Dantonio will be around another 5+ years at MSU and when he leaves I'm not sure Narduzzi will want the job if he's had top 25 success at Pitt
The OP is correct. Pitt and I'd even argue Syracuse is screwed because the B1G is swallowing them up. I can't remember the last time we lost a recruit to Syracuse Or Pitt that we wanted. Pitt can get great guys from within their vicinity but the recruits the two pull from the northeast are generally leftovers.
Here is where your premise is falling apart.
In the past, our fan base was consistently getting older. We older folks well-remember the Pitt rivalry, and some of us (self included) have some animosity for your school.
However, your presumption that today's Penn State fans are consumed by animosity towards Pitt has become way obsolete.
Most people who post something about Pitt here get shouted down regularly by younger members who point out that the youngest half (or more) of our fanbase simply no longer cares at all about Pitt. Pitt is not even a distant memory for those 20K kids that fill our student section for every game.
What you are doing is projecting the animosity that you see from today's Pitt fans onto the Penn State fanbase.
Key factoid: We never have had a fight song where everybody was psyched to chime in with a line about how Pitt sucks. Never.
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Actually, they were buttons that said "Shitt on Pitt", given out during the week of the game, much like we had for every other team. This was maybe 1976 or so.
But you'll be happy to know that the Pitt script was used, at least.
But you'll be happy to know that the Pitt script was used, at least.
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Yeah, I bet that if you took a poll, you'd find Penn Staters like the script better, too.
We never have had a fight song where everybody was psyched to chime in with a line about how Pitt sucks. Never.
I also have seen the t-shirts on women and kids. I never saw the buttons with another schools name on them. If you guys think that " Penn State Sucks" is any better, you are delusional.
"Shitt on Pitt" is not insulting or inflammatory. Neither is "Pee on ND", for example, or "Puke on Duke". Same premise.
pitt athletic supporters have yelled "Penn State sucks" during their fight song for decades, even when they aren't playing Penn State. "Shitt on pitt" was done in '70s-'80s. It died in the '80s. When I started at Penn State in '88, I rarely saw it.
The guy who created the Shitt on Pitt slogan is a good friend of mine. Pitt sued him in 1982 and he settled by discontinuing production. BTW, the same guy created the "If you can't go to college go to Pitt" slogan. He then started selling a modified version at all schools...ie: substitute Auburn for Pitt, change the colors and sell it at Alabama.
If anyone still has a button you'll find either his name or company name (he put one or the other, not both) and his home phone number on the edge of the button.
If anyone still has a button you'll find either his name or company name (he put one or the other, not both) and his home phone number on the edge of the button.
I don't think Maryland or Rutgers are going to be big recruiting powers anytime soon. I think Pitt is just a dynamic coach away. I think a guy like James Franklin would do wonders at Pitt. It might help if they had an on campus stadium. Narducci will do a good job in my opinion. Also if given the choice of being only about football I would have much rather have had Pitt in the Big Ten than Rutgers and Maryland. No need for anyone to remind me about what Pitt does not bring to the table because I understand that part of the equation. They do provide a hated rival and that is what Penn St. has been missing for quite some time.
i'm not seeing the potential pitt has that you seem to. I think Pitt's greatest chance to succeed was when Dave Wannstadt was hired. They lack in a lot of areas that are critical to be successful in college football
It was unfortunate for them that they fired Wanny. He was a Pitt guy all the way, and even if he didn't get the greatest results, he was doing OK, and he was a good recruiter. I think if left alone he would have had them as a regular 7-8 win team, which I guess was not good enough for them. He's a nice guy as well.
They did have a string of legal problems for a while that gave Wanny's critics the ammo they needed to force him out.
They did have a string of legal problems for a while that gave Wanny's critics the ammo they needed to force him out.
They fired Wannstedt and Walt Harris after winning seasons. 7-8 wins isnt nearly enough for Pitt.
Firing Wanny was not the problem. It was the disaster that followed. It actually was more damaging to Pitt than the sanctions were to PSU. The good news for Pitt is there is now a new administration that understands football drives the bus in athletics.
I think the right coach could get them back to the 8 win level. That would be decent for the handicaps that exist for them.
They were at the 8 win level in the past, and it wasn't good enough. Their ex-AD was a disaster. Now that they are in a better conference, it will be more difficult to rebuild.
Ok, let's look back 3 years, Pitt has a losing record.
Ahh Pitt fans... let's ignore what JF did at Vandy, and let's ignore the unjust sanctions. PSU is headed for failure... But Pitt's first time head coach will take them to the promised land.
Pitt just likes to back up and get a running start!
Everyone knows that Pitt takes chances on talented players that other schools turn away.
OSU is a better team right now, you won't find many (if any) PSU fans who would argue otherwise. Even though we were under unjust sanctions, OSU needed big time help from the refs to beat PSU. Pitt can't even beat PSU for a recruit.
Don't forget Akron!
Do you guys get handed talking points? Why does every Pitt fan conveniently leave out the bowl game? PSU was 7-6 last year under unjust sanctions. Pitt was 6-7 at full strength.
Proof that hatred has blinded you.
It's called trolling. Among the pitt athletic supporters, there is no way in their of heart of hearts that they honestly believe that pitt is in a better place than Penn State, let alone even at the same level as Penn State. All the facts indicate otherwise.
To be honest, Pitt is in a bad spot right now. OSU to the west and PSU to the east now is off of restrictions minus and 84 year old coach who hadn't gone out to recruit in about a decade (one or two exceptions). Franklin is a pretty good damn recruiter and if he starts translating that to W's in the next year or two, Pitt will struggle even more. Pitt had it's chance to move up and they sat their idle while their last 2 coaches bailed as fast as they could. If both schools were stock, it's a no brainer on which one to buy right now. PSU has a way to go for sure, but they are acquiring the talent to get there. You can't really say that about Pitt right now. I don't care what type of spin any Pitt fans want to put on it. Nard dog will have to work miracles and actually stick there which is a long shot.
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They are very lucky Tom Bradley left WVU. They had Urban coming from the West, Franklin the East, and Bradley the South to take recruits. Pitt will land some Pittsburgh kids who buy the "play for your hometown team" argument even though most hometown fans in Pittsburgh do not care about Pitt(the proof is in the attendance). I think where they really run into problems is the outlying areas such as DC and New Jersey. When Pitt was doing ok under Wannstadt, they were very successful in New Jersey. I can't see that success happening again. The Big 10 coming East has opened many doors and excitement in the area for the B1G. You have Michigan, OSU, MSU, and PSU competing for top recruits in DC and NJ. You have Maryland landing players like Dwayne Haskins, you have Rutgers in it until the end for Jared Guarantano. I can't think of many players in NJ, Eastern PA, and DC that are really talking about Pitt as a legit contender. I think Narduzzi is feeling this as well, so he is trying to grab diamonds in the rough in Florida. I think the worst part for Pitt is that this is just the beginning. It will be critical for Narduzzi to have a good year this year, because due to their schedule adding OK St. and PSU next year and Boyd and Conner leaving it could start a major downhill spiral.
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I didn't realize that they had OK state on their schedule until I read your post. Us, Oklahoma St, ND and Tennessee. I have give props to Pitt for their OOC scheduling. Of course, OK St and Tennessee fans are probably complaining about Pitt hurting their strength of schedule.
How DARE you include the bowl game in their 2014 record! That sort of reality would get you instantly banned on the lair.
They do have a very nice OOC schedule next year. They also play Villanova at home , Marshall at home, and Clemson on the road I believe. I think it's going to be a tough year for the Nerd Dog!
At least losing to OK State and Tennessee is easier to explain to recruits than losing to YSU and Akron. Maybe that is their strategy: honorable losing. Losses to those teams are nowhere near as damaging.
I think everybody might be missing the big point, something that Franklin understands intrinsically. We have no rivals. Isn't that what everyone says on this board--Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers, BC--none rise to the level of rival when it comes to a tradition of success on the football field and similar geographic recruiting territory. Those schools simply cannot offer what Penn State can offer and it will take years, probably decades to change that. Sure, Ohio State will get quite a few top kids, Michigan will get an occassional player, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers will get the occassional high rated local player but no one will have a better quality/quantity count than Penn State. That's why dominate the state has turned into dominate the region. It's not just something to aspire to, it's something we already have. It's also why Franklin has not made the same bold statements as O'Brien when asked about making the Pitt game an annual thing. The downside to losing the game is far, far greater than the upside. We have no responsibility to Pitt to help them rebuild their program.
Tradition+close proximity to these areas means we win.......as long as we don't screw it up. So for me, hell with the rivals. We need to get national rivals and put these past petty rivalries behind us until they find a way to do something worthy of our rivalry. Was Texas' biggest rival A&M or Oklahoma, a rival is an equal and none of these programs are equals. To suggest they are rivals actually lowers our own value.
I think you are wrong on Pitt playing Tennessee. They play Villanova and Marshall along with PSU and Ok. State. So, yeah, they got 2 nice OOC games(ND is a pseudo conference foe). FSU isn't on their 2016 schedule either.
