Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?

[BUFFALO LION]

The 3 admins...have been doing everything possible to avoid trial. That doesn't make them innocent. Nobody had authority to level sanctions against PSU. However, the acts were so heinous, the NCAA felt they had to do something. PSU's own board of trusties felt compelled to agree to them. As for Paterno, I have no idea how much of a role he played, if any. Since much of the evidence is still under wraps. However, there is enough circumstantial evidence to merit further inquiry.

Fantastic!! A Board of Trustee supporter!! Good for you!!

Since you know they have nothing to hide and they are squeaky clean, use your influence to get them to release the Freeh source materials. All of us guilty people want them released to the public.

Oh ya. Concerning the actual topic of this thread.

The OP is correct. Especially in basketball. You have no presence whatsoever anymore in the basketball recruit rich New York City to Washington DC I-95 corridor. 3 or 4 years from now, a kid in New Jersey or Maryland will be saying Pitt? Where's that? And why would I go to some school named after a ditch????

 

[mikemauti42]

I'd love 1 Pitt fan to come up with a counter to the original post in the thread but they can't seem to argue it.

 

[pittguy81]

I'd love 1 Pitt fan to come up with a counter to the original post in the thread but they can't seem to argue it.

You can't disprove an opinion, which is all the OP is. RU and MD are non-factors as it relates to Pitt.

As for the PSU guy talking about basketball...that's kinda cute

 

[lionlurker]

True, we shouldn't mention basketball. In a few years, you won't, either.

 

[Pitt is #1]

I'd love 1 Pitt fan to come up with a counter to the original post in the thread but they can't seem to argue it.

Your premise is false from the beginning. Pitt never has been much of a factor recruiting outside the wpial. We can't lose recruiting territory we never had? Now will we get recruits outside the wpial...of course. We never had a territory we recruited well outside of Western Pa. Maybe a few years when Hafley was on staff we got a few kids from Jersey...but that is it.

 

[mikemauti42]

Your premise is false from the beginning. Pitt never has been much of a factor recruiting outside the wpial. We can't lose recruiting territory we never had? Now will we get recruits outside the wpial...of course. We never had a territory we recruited well outside of Western Pa. Maybe a few years when Hafley was on staff we got a few kids from Jersey...but that is it.

Maybe that is why you have sucked for the better part of 35 years? or 58 out of the past 65 years?

 

[pittguy81]

Forgive me for confusing your inane posts for some other idiot trolls inane posts.

I mentioned Franklin and the NFL. It is far from inane. He served 3 internships in the NFL as well as a year as WR coach for the Packers. To assert he has no interest in the NFL is to whistle past the graveyard. PSU is a good coaching gig, but you're fooling yourself to think he won't listen if the NFL comes calling.

 

[mikemauti42]

I mentioned Franklin and the NFL. It is far from inane. He served 3 internships in the NFL as well as a year as WR coach for the Packers. To assert he has no interest in the NFL is to whistle past the graveyard. PSU is a good coaching gig, but you're fooling yourself to think he won't listen if the NFL comes calling.

Penn State has had 1 coach leave in the past 50 years for any gig. He happened to be an NFL coach who left during a tough time for Penn State. It would have killed his career to stay. Could Franklin leave? Sure. But, if I were you, I'd be more concerned about Pitt who hasn't been able to keep a coach longer than for a cup of coffee.

 

[lionlurker]

Nobody knows what JF's future holds, but he says all the right things about being a college coach. Chances are he'll be here, longer than Narduzzi will be there.

 

[pittguy81]

Maybe that is why you have sucked for the better part of 35 years? or 58 out of the past 65 years?

When Pitt got serious about football in the early/mid 70's through the mid 80's they were among the best programs in the country. However, as has happened at Pitt since Pop Warner and Jock Sutherland were coaching there; with football success comes the reflexive pushback from the Administration. They thought football was wielding too much power/influence and they intentionally diminished support for the program. They pulled the rug out from under the AD who was football first , pushing him out and removed support from Jackie Sherrill who got pissed and left for Texas A&M.

Maybe the new Chancellor and new AD will prove to be supportive for a change. It seems that they are inclined that way.

 

[CF LION]

I mentioned Franklin and the NFL. It is far from inane. He served 3 internships in the NFL as well as a year as WR coach for the Packers. To assert he has no interest in the NFL is to whistle past the graveyard. PSU is a good coaching gig, but you're fooling yourself to think he won't listen if the NFL comes calling.

OK. Let's say JF has success at PSU -- wins a few BIG titles, brings PSU back to national prominence and leaves for an NFL gig. Let's also say that Narduzzi is successful at Pitt. Maybe puts together a few 9 or even 10 win seasons. Do you think if PSU came calling he would leave Pitt for PSU?

 

[pittguy81]

Penn State has had 1 coach leave in the past 50 years for any gig. He happened to be an NFL coach who left during a tough time for Penn State. It would have killed his career to stay. Could Franklin leave? Sure. But, if I were you, I'd be more concerned about Pitt who hasn't been able to keep a coach longer than for a cup of coffee.

Why be concerned about things you can't control? I'm used to coaches bolting. All Pitt fans are. There is hope that the new AD and Chancellor will provide sufficient institutional support...monetary and otherwise to allow the football program to grow and hopefully keep Narduzzi around even if he has success.

 

[pittguy81]

OK. Let's say JF has success at PSU -- wins a few BIG titles, brings PSU back to national prominence and leaves for an NFL gig. Let's also say that Narduzzi is successful at Pitt. Maybe puts together a few 9 or even 10 win seasons. Do you think if PSU came calling he would leave Pitt for PSU?

No I don't. He seems like a loyal guy and the condescending attitude PSU has towards Pitt is the same attitude that Michigan had towards MSU. He didn't like it.

 

[lionlurker]

Let's be frank about why Majors/Sherrill were successful: the Golden Panthers, which no longer exist. They provided the means for Pitt to recruit elite athletes that did not exist before, or since. That small blip in Pitt's football history is long gone, and this idea that merely getting a new president and AD will bring back those glory days is optimism without basis.

 

[pittguy81]

True, we shouldn't mention basketball. In a few years, you won't, either.

Why is that?

 

[lionlurker]

No I don't. He seems like a loyal guy and the condescending attitude PSU has towards Pitt is the same attitude that Michigan had towards MSU. He didn't like it.

Trust me, if Michigan came calling for Narduzzi, he'd forget about condescending attitudes in a millisecond. Or less. And if you don't believe that, then you really are a 14yr old in the basement.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

OK. Let's say JF has success at PSU -- wins a few BIG titles, brings PSU back to national prominence and leaves for an NFL gig. Let's also say that Narduzzi is successful at Pitt. Maybe puts together a few 9 or even 10 win seasons. Do you think if PSU came calling he would leave Pitt for PSU?

Of course he would. $$$ and resources are appealing to any HC out there. Those living in fantasy land can deny it, but they look pretty damn stupid in doing so.

 

[Pitt is #1]

Amazing that every successful team outside of PSU does it in a nefarious manner...yet all of PSU's success was saintly! You guys really bought Joe's B.S. hook, line and sinker!

 

[mikemauti42]

When Pitt got serious about football in the early/mid 70's through the mid 80's they were among the best programs in the country. However, as has happened at Pitt since Pop Warner and Jock Sutherland were coaching there; with football success comes the reflexive pushback from the Administration. They thought football was wielding too much power/influence and they intentionally diminished support for the program. They pulled the rug out from under the AD who was football first , pushing him out and removed support from Jackie Sherrill who got pissed and left for Texas A&M.

Maybe the new Chancellor and new AD will prove to be supportive for a change. It seems that they are inclined that way.

So you think for the better part of 65 years, Pitt simply hasn't cared and that is why that haven't been relevant? You truly are delusional and believe anything. Pitt had a brief history in the late 70's and early 80's because they were doing somethings things with the Golden Panthers that would now get them on probation. I think it is hilarious Pitt fans are circling the wagons now because of a new AD and president thinking those 7 years were the norm and Danny Marino jr is right around the corner.

 

[pittguy81]

... Franklin has proven he can coach at Vandy and won more games last year with 40+ kids ib ship playing by the end of the year on ship. -

In his two winning seasons at Vandy he beat teams with a cumulative record of 71-148. In 2012 the only teams he beat with a winning record were Ole Miss and NC State both of which were 7-6. In 2013 during the regular season the only team he beat with a winning record was Georgia at 8-5. His record was built by beating teams like Austin Peay 0-12, UMass 1-11, UAB 2-10 and Kentucky 2-10.

I think the 9-4 seasons in consecutive years is not so impressive when you look a little bit further into them. I have conceded he is a good recruiter but am not sold on him as a good coach.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Amazing that every successful team outside of PSU does it in a nefarious manner...yet all of PSU's success was saintly! You guys really bought Joe's B.S. hook, line and sinker!

Grad rates + W's + MNC's + undefeated seasons = Joe was pretty much dead on.

His winning% and grad rates pretty much back it up. I get a Pitt fan can't swallow that, but then again I'd be sour to if I knew that that school isn't really behind the program. There is always bball though which is good for you.

 

[Pitt is #1]

Penn State obviously has cared and has spent money on coaches, facilities and has amazing fan support. Why hasn't the program been more than a blip on the college football seen for the past 25 years? Or as you say...sucked?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

In his two winning seasons at Vandy he beat teams with a cumulative record of 71-148. In 2012 the only teams he beat with a winning record were Ole Miss and NC State both of which were 7-6. In 2013 during the regular season the only team he beat with a winning record was Georgia at 8-5. His record was built by beating teams like Austin Peay 0-12, UMass 1-11, UAB 2-10 and Kentucky 2-10.

I think the 9-4 seasons in consecutive years is not so impressive when you look a little bit further into them. I have conceded he is a good recruiter but am not sold on him as a good coach.

Spin away all you need to. He's got more W's as a HC than your HC. He's certainly a proven recruiter. I'm not on your site crying for respect as I don't need to validate anything. You're like a little puppy looking for acceptance over here. Go pound sand.

 

[Pitt is #1]

Grad rates + W's + MNC's + undefeated seasons = Joe was pretty much dead on.

His winning% and grad rates pretty much back it up. I get a Pitt fan can't swallow that, but then again I'd be sour to if I knew that that school isn't really behind the program. There is always bball though which is good for you.

Yes, we can't compete with all of those criminal justice major grad rates.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

You can't disprove an opinion, which is all the OP is. RU and MD are non-factors as it relates to Pitt.

As for the PSU guy talking about basketball...that's kinda cute

What's cute about it? You're a basketball school, right? All that recruit rich basketball exposure you just lost from New York City to DC, we gained.

 

[lionlurker]

Amazing that every successful team outside of PSU does it in a nefarious manner...yet all of PSU's success was saintly! You guys really bought Joe's B.S. hook, line and sinker!

It was because of Joe's "BS" that the Golden Panthers had to do what they did. And until they got caught, it worked out pretty well for them.

For the record, Pitt was far from the only school operating that way back in those days. It was a different era. But really, why do you think all of a sudden Pitt was getting high school All-Americans from Florida and Mississippi? And then all of a sudden, they weren't? All of our players were from PA, NJ, and the region, for the most part.

 

[RobBliz]

The 3 admins...have been doing everything possible to avoid trial. That doesn't make them innocent. Nobody had authority to level sanctions against PSU.

Actually, it means exactly that. Innocent until proven guilty. There is no avoiding trial, if the DA has a strong case.
Your second sentence is the correct. You should just leave it at that.

 

[pittguy81]

Is this Voytik's breakout year?

It may well be. Of course he was an Elite 11 finalist his Sr Year and ranked around 80 places ahead of Hack in passing efficiency last year.

It helps that he does have a surefire NFL 1st round pick in WR Tyler Boyd to catch the ball and can hand off to All American RB James Conner...so with a year under his belt as a starter it wouldn't surprise me to see him really step up in a big way

 

[mikemauti42]

In his two winning seasons at Vandy he beat teams with a cumulative record of 71-148. In 2012 the only teams he beat with a winning record were Ole Miss and NC State both of which were 7-6. In 2013 during the regular season the only team he beat with a winning record was Georgia at 8-5. His record was built by beating teams like Austin Peay 0-12, UMass 1-11, UAB 2-10 and Kentucky 2-10.

I think the 9-4 seasons in consecutive years is not so impressive when you look a little bit further into them. I have conceded he is a good recruiter but am not sold on him as a good coach.

Until you consider he Georgia was ranked 15 in the country when he beat them and Vanderbilt prior to his arrival was a team like "Austin PEay, UMass, UAB, and Kentucky"

Teams Franklin beat at Vandy. Georgia (Way More talent than Vandy), Florida(Way More talent than Vandy), Ole Miss twice(Same team that destroyed Pitt in bowl game that year), Miss St.(way more talent than Vandy), NC State(better program than Pitt), Kentucky(same level as Pitt), Tennessee twice (way more talent than Vandy)

You discount these teams as teams Vandy typically beats. Newsflash, Vandy couldn't beat anyone prior to Franklins arrival. You clowns would still be circle jerking each other over on the lair if Pitt would ever beat Georgia again....and I'm guessing you think Pitt is a better program than Vandy.

 

[pittguy81]

So you think for the better part of 65 years, Pitt simply hasn't cared and that is why that haven't been relevant? You truly are delusional and believe anything. Pitt had a brief history in the late 70's and early 80's because they were doing somethings things with the Golden Panthers that would now get them on probation. I think it is hilarious Pitt fans are circling the wagons now because of a new AD and president thinking those 7 years were the norm and Danny Marino jr is right around the corner.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about whereas I am positive about what I say regarding Pitt football. I simply relayed that facts. Since the 30's any football success has ushered in long periods incurring withdrawal of institutional support for the program.

 

[lionlurker]

Another way of saying that is that for two short periods, they got lucky and were good. Then they reverted back to the norm.

 

[mikemauti42]

Another way of saying that is that for two short periods, they got lucky and were good. Then they reverted back to the norm.

Exactly. Why are we even talking about football in 1930? Hell, Harvard was a national power then. Times have changed in college football. Now go back to your board, talk about how great Narduzzi has been with no results, and see if you can get that Pitt football donation over 4200 dollars which is hilarious

 

[mikemauti42]

and everyone of those teams had a heck of a lot more talent than Vanderbilt, who is now back to being a 3-9/2-10 team now that Franklin is gone.

 

[Pitt is #1]

Until you consider he Georgia was ranked 15 in the country when he beat them and Vanderbilt prior to his arrival was a team like "Austin PEay, UMass, UAB, and Kentucky"

Teams Franklin beat at Vandy. Georgia (Way More talent than Vandy), Florida(Way More talent than Vandy), Ole Miss twice(Same team that destroyed Pitt in bowl game that year), Miss St.(way more talent than Vandy), NC State(better program than Pitt), Kentucky(same level as Pitt), Tennessee twice (way more talent than Vandy)

You discount these teams as teams Vandy typically beats. Newsflash, Vandy couldn't beat anyone prior to Franklins arrival. You clowns would still be circle jerking each other over on the lair if Pitt would ever beat Georgia again....and I'm guessing you think Pitt is a better program than Vandy.

Well Franklin will definitely get a chance to beat a couple of very good teams in the next few years. So we will find out very soon how good of a coach he is.

 

[pittguy81]

Spin away all you need to. He's got more W's as a HC than your HC. He's certainly a proven recruiter. I'm not on your site crying for respect as I don't need to validate anything. You're like a little puppy looking for acceptance over here. Go pound sand.

Those are facts not spin.

You're pretty hostile.

 

[pittguy81]

What's cute about it? You're a basketball school, right? All that recruit rich basketball exposure you just lost from New York City to DC, we gained.

If you think anybody in NY is paying a bit of attention to RU or PSU BB think again. You can wish all you want but the Big 10 is a Midwestern conference, not an East Coast Conference.

 

[Judge Smails]

I mentioned Franklin and the NFL. It is far from inane. He served 3 internships in the NFL as well as a year as WR coach for the Packers. To assert he has no interest in the NFL is to whistle past the graveyard. PSU is a good coaching gig, but you're fooling yourself to think he won't listen if the NFL comes calling.

Franklin had interviews lined up with the Browns and the Redskins that he bypassed to take the PSU job. Both of those NFL teams then hired substandard coaches. Franklin probably could have had either of those jobs. If he wanted to be in the NFL, he would already be in the NFL.

Contrast that to O'Brien, who had his agent leak the Penn State job offer to try and leverage it to land an NFL job. They pursued that for a couple of days, to land the Jacksonville spot for christ's sake, before finally "settling" for the Penn State offer.

Franklin is a PA guy, dreamed of playing for Penn State when he was in high school, and can make all the money he needs and have all the security he wants at Penn State. He's building something for the long haul. No guarantee about anything in this life, but he isn't a guy who is lusting after the NFL. There are college guys, like Urban Meyer, who want to coach in college. I think Franklin is one of those guys.

 

[mikemauti42]

Pitt guy, enlighten us. What type of record would you expect a typical coach to have at Vanderbilt? Would you be expecting Nick Saban to be winning national championships there?

 

[bwifan]

You can't disprove an opinion, which is all the OP is. RU and MD are non-factors as it relates to Pitt.

As for the PSU guy talking about basketball...that's kinda cute

just like Pitt shouldn't be talking about football but it is kinda cute and funny

 

[pittguy81]

It was because of Joe's "BS" that the Golden Panthers had to do what they did. And until they got caught, it worked out pretty well for them.

For the record, Pitt was far from the only school operating that way back in those days. It was a different era. But really, why do you think all of a sudden Pitt was getting high school All-Americans from Florida and Mississippi? And then all of a sudden, they weren't? All of our players were from PA, NJ, and the region, for the most part.

Because john Majors came from the South and had southern connections...as did Jackie Sherrill being from Alabama, not to mention guys like Jimmie Johnson.

And the kids they were getting from the south may have become All Americans but they tended to be lightly recruited out of HS. For example, Hugh Green had one offer from Mississippi State. Ricky Jackson was a 195lb TE.