And you don't think any of that could go on unoticed at a place where a pedophile was able to hide for more than a decade? I'm not saying this to drag anyone's name threw the mud. However, if you are naive enough to believe it goes on everywhere in the country other than at PSU? I don't know what to say!
Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?
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And you don't think any of that could go on unoticed at a place where a pedophile was able to hide for more than a decade? I'm not saying this to drag anyone's name threw the mud. However, if you are naive enough to believe it goes on everywhere in the country other than at PSU? I don't know what to say!
Rooney rule is in play? you think thats what gets owners to make an invesment in their coaches they hire? it just gets em an interview. man...you're grasping at straws now.
i'm officially disappointed.
you were on a roll 5-6 pages ago.
now you're like...yeah, if Franklin beats Indiana, Temple, & Army a bunch of times and pads his win-loss record, despite losing to OSU, MSU, Wisconsin or any ranked team every year.....rich owners will swoop him up from the college ranks.
just stop
Oh PSU is far and away a better football program then Pitt. No arguments there. There is much more importance put on football at PSU and the resources are much better.
Let me ask you a simple question. If PSU is to win it's division...let alone the conference will they have to beat OSU? No surrogacy involved, simply facts.
".....have to remember it is tough being a Pitt fan....they never were really relevant in the modern era and all the programs surrounding them are successful.... It's tough to take an epic beatdown like that year after year and not become bitter....."
As was mentioned earlier in a very meaningful post -- it is hard to argue for a school and program that has a terrible record against Penn State. Penn State versus -- Pitt, WVU, MD, Rutgers, BC, Syracuse -- all have won/lost records that would indicate recruiting, playmaking, game day coaching, and perhaps academic reputation is in favor of Penn State.
Pitt has had some very talented players and one of note to mention is Tony Dorsett...yet for all the years he played at Pitt, only one year -- 1976 did Pitt beat PSU. In fact if anyone mentions the glory years of the '60's. '70's. 80's or even most recently, the record of glaring losses are not just once in a while, but year after year. One must stretch to early years of football to see how Pitt gained some notoriety.
Today, the tables have turned and Pitt is surrounded by Big Ten teams and recruiting, coaching experts. This is reality.
As was mentioned earlier in a very meaningful post -- it is hard to argue for a school and program that has a terrible record against Penn State. Penn State versus -- Pitt, WVU, MD, Rutgers, BC, Syracuse -- all have won/lost records that would indicate recruiting, playmaking, game day coaching, and perhaps academic reputation is in favor of Penn State.
Pitt has had some very talented players and one of note to mention is Tony Dorsett...yet for all the years he played at Pitt, only one year -- 1976 did Pitt beat PSU. In fact if anyone mentions the glory years of the '60's. '70's. 80's or even most recently, the record of glaring losses are not just once in a while, but year after year. One must stretch to early years of football to see how Pitt gained some notoriety.
Today, the tables have turned and Pitt is surrounded by Big Ten teams and recruiting, coaching experts. This is reality.
So, the purpose of this thread was to discuss the B1G's additions of Maryland and Rutgers which expanded the B1G eastward into DC and NY and how it would negatively affect Pitt going forward. I think it's a legitimate discussion and I believe we are already seeing the effect of it in it's early stages.
In order to defend this, Pitt fans have brought up
1. Franklin not being able to coach (despite him leading Vandy to win totals that Pitt hasn't been able to reach while playing in the Big East.)
2. Sandusky
3. Franklin in the NFL.
I've yet to see a legit argument against my original point.
In order to defend this, Pitt fans have brought up
1. Franklin not being able to coach (despite him leading Vandy to win totals that Pitt hasn't been able to reach while playing in the Big East.)
2. Sandusky
3. Franklin in the NFL.
I've yet to see a legit argument against my original point.
So getting an NFL interview isn't being in play? How do you get the job without an interview?
It worked for him at Vandy vis a vis the PSU job. And if was in line for interviews with NFL teams at Vandy, hy not at PSU? How did he manage to get NFL interest at Vandy despite padding his record with cream puffs and losing to ranked teams?
Again....tell me what recruiting territory Pitt dominated outside of W. Pa. It has now lost? You can't, because this thread is based upon a false premise. You cannot lose something you never had.
It's amazing how NFL teams thought Franklin's work at Vandy was impressive enough to have 2 interviews in the NFL, but it wasn't enough to impressive a Pitt fan.....I guess it's to be expected that Pitt fans have high expectations after all their recent successes.
Let's be clear. The purpose of this thread was to incite Pitt fans for response. Honestly who do you think you're fooling?
Pitt hasn't dominated anything, but they have been able to land players here and there in those areas as recent as a few years back. I think they still will, but the level of player they land will be a little lower due to being further down the pecking order. They are slowly losing their grip on them. Do you think 90% of Pitt's roster is made up of players from the WPIAL?
Please Mauti...I'm still waiting for you to name what area we lost with these additions to the B1G?
actually it wasn't. It was for a legit discussion with Penn State fans. How the heck would I know you would respond to it within ten minutes of it being posted?
well...because what he did Vandy was just short of a miracle. hence he garnered interviews from many teams. pretty sure PSU & Texas didn't use the Rooney rule.
how did Vandy do last year? not so good.
but no, I get it...he's going to win 9-10 games every year because of a soft schedule, will lose all important games because he actually sucks and is a horrible game day coach, NFL owners will not only be forced to interview him because he's black, but also be ignorant of his artificially inflated W-L record and hire him anyway.
Franklin's a lucky guy
Let's be clear again. I didn't say Franklin was a poor coach, I said he didn't look to be a great game day coach e.g clock management, player substitution etc. It would appear some of the PSU cohort agrees with this assessment.
http://onwardstate.com/2014/10/13/p...ent-play-calling-on-full-display-at-michigan/
http://onwardstate.com/2014/10/13/p...ent-play-calling-on-full-display-at-michigan/
Yes, Hendrix was a horrible recruit for Pitt? Again, LOI day isn't until 2016. I think I can wait before judging. After all, many commits are still taking visits.
The funny thing, is JF did have success and go to the NFL, we'll just load up with another good coach. He'd leave the cupboard full of talent, and we already pay over $4million/yr, even as we upgrade our facilities, which are already great. We aren't going to get some doofus here. The situation vis a vis Pitt and us will still be terrible for Pitt.
You act as though JF would be impossible to replace if he left. It won't be. We'll get another stud. Your situation will still remain bleak.
You act as though JF would be impossible to replace if he left. It won't be. We'll get another stud. Your situation will still remain bleak.
He was a transfer who you beat Northern Illinois and Illinois for. In addtion, he is not from PA, MD, or NJ. Did you not have to take reading comprehension at the University of Pittsburgh?
Again, all I can do is agree. Pitt needs to grow it's fan base and financial support. If it doesn't I'll agree it may faulter. However, trying to declare it a dead entity now is ridicules. Which is the point the OP is trying to make.
No, the point he was trying to make is that it is going to be harder for Pitt now than ever. And that remains indisputable.
I didn't declare it dead. I think it will be a struggle and I don't think I am wrong. The good news is Pitt fans are really putting money into the program. 4200 dollars in 10 days on the gofundme account. Pitt can now buy Narduzzi a Chevy Cavalier to get back and forth to work in.
I don't think changing conferences has made those schools any more formidable to compete for recruits against. Now, if they start seeing more success in the B1G possibly. However, I would think that would hurt PSU more than us.
and I'll be clear...you said we'll lose him to the NFL in spite of him not being a great game day coach. you also said...him being black and enforcing the Rooney rule will not only get him an interview, but could potentially get him hired even though he'll have an inflated W-L record....implying NFL owners are essentially idiots.
you can't have it both ways. if he sucks, he's not going to the NFL.
if he doesn't suck, yes...he could potentially go to the NFL. can't blame anyone for ambition
That's BS. At least be honest about it and admit it was a thread for the usual suspects to post condescending and dismissive things about Pitt..and to incite response from Pitt fans who felt like responding.
I hope Pitt never pays $4M for a football coach. Football simply isn't that important. It remains to be seen if you currently have a stud BTW.
I don't think you understand, so let me try to explain it to you. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland opened up the B1G in New York and MD(DC area). It opens up TV sets and it makes people watch the BIG 10 moreso than ever before. The ACC market will not be very strong in those areas. Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State will start coming into those areas far more often to go after recruits. Much like they did in Pittsburgh when Penn State joined the Big 10. When Michigan, OSU, PSU, and Mich St come after recruits that Pitt, MD, and Rutgers want more often than not they win those battles. That leaves Maryland, Rutgers, and Pitt competing for kids in Big 10 country. More often than not these kids want to play for and join teams in their market which is now the Big10, so that leaves Pitt at a distinct disadvantage in recruiting battles.
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You were the third post in this thread. Exactly what "condescending and dismissive things" were posted prior to yours?
What Pitt better hope is that the B1G doesn't come into Virginia and add Va Tech or Virginia, then dip into UNC and take the tarheels. Then, Pitt would really be on an island.
You infer what you will. I said I don't think he will be there in 5 years. He may be fired/resign if he doesn't win conference championships/have great success given the outsized expectations of PSU fans. If he has success he'll use PSU as a springboard to the NFL.
The rest of your missive is nonsense and off point.
And, your stats would be relevant if Franklin were the coach at, say, UGA or Auburn, teams that have a ton of 4 and 4 star football talent on their teams. But, he wasn't. He was Vandy's coach were most kids were 2 or low end 3 star recruits that very few of the power SEC teams looked at when they were in high school. Winning 9 games when you have very little mid-high level talent is an accomplishment even if those 9 wins weren't against any teams that finished 11-2 or better.
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I did read it. Please quote what was "dismissive and condescending" by the "usual suspects".
Yeah, it's like saying a particular girl is ugly and then in the next sentence saying you think this same girl will be the next SI Swimsuit Cover Girl model.
Hendrix was a consensus 4 * recruit with a composite of over .940. He checked in as the number 7 or 8 SDE nationally and had offers from PSU, USC, MSU, and OSU among 20+ others.
He has 3 years of eligibility left.
If you don't recognize it for what it is in the OP reposting it here won't bring enlightenment to you
