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1st quarter Georgia Tech, 4th quarter Houston. You really need to stay away from bringing up embarrassing losses from last year.
Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?
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1st quarter Georgia Tech, 4th quarter Houston. You really need to stay away from bringing up embarrassing losses from last year.
Ah yes. With all that NFL talent you'd think Pitt would have avoided their epic bowl game collapse. But I am impressed Pittguy watched a replay of the Northwestern game. Apparently he has a PSU video library.
Every kid you mention is from the Pittsburgh area except Conner and he is from Erie. Proves the point that while Pitt will get a couple high profile kids from Pittsburgh there is nothing that shows that they will be major players for out of state blue chip talent on a regular basis.
New coach and aggressive staff who are in their first recruiting cycle. Proclamations in May mean nothing, nor do commit lists. February will tell the tale." lmao..isn't this exactly what is happening on the Pitt board with your new coach
Sooooo... what you're saying is, a MAC school would be able to claim all that, if not for the fact that he chose Pitt? In fact, based on the offers, there was a 50% chance of that happening, vs. a 25% chance of it happening to Pitt. Guess you got lucky.
Repeat after me: 3 recruits. Two of them are 3stars, and one is a 2 star.
At least you've haven't lost anybody to Gannon so far, like last year.
At least you've haven't lost anybody to Gannon so far, like last year.
If it is such a crap shoot why do the teams with the best recruiting each year seem to land at the top of the polls at a fairly consistent rate? To say the analysts dont you any more than you do is really a reach. Based on your lame arguments in this thread it appears my cat knows more than you do.
Our 6 & 6 team is so much better than your 6 & 6 team. I'm not sure if I should die laughing at this post or just choke on my own vomit?
I vote choke on your own vomit. Then you would be dead, and dead men post no bullsh!t.
EMC...FYI, this is who you are talking to. Any further questions?
https://www.youtube.com/user/pittguy81
No, just the kids that "might" be interested in Pitt
Actually, I thought my first post was VERY complementary to Pitt. It is reality. Academics, for much of the South has been a challenge. You CAN research such.Try it, there's no way you can look at this without laughing!
https://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/commitments/2015/pittsburgh-12
You won't see a Penn State offense as bad as last season's going forward. Combine a new offensive system, piecemeal offensive line, three freshman receivers learning on the job, with no running game and you can understand why Penn State struggled last season.
I can't see any of the remaining PA top ten kids really considering Pitt at this point, given that they are next to last in the ACC in recruiting so far. That's bad for us, in some regards. If we don't get Hamlin, for instance, I'd rather he go to Pitt than to Ohio State or Michigan, for example, and that seems very unlikely. Same with Hudson.
Just read over this thread and would like to share some thoughts....
The increased B1G influence in this area certainly hasn't helped Pitt. It's probably hurt them a little too. But what else has? 4 straight 6-6 seasons, coaching turmoil, poor atmosphere at games, a boring coach who couldn't recruit with the big boys, etc etc. I could go on and on.
The key for Pitt this time around with Narduzzi is success ON THE FIELD. Words mean very little at this point. The excitement is a nice change of pace, but recruits look to what happens ON THE FIELD first and foremost. Losing to Akron in front of 20 K doesn't resonate well with future top recruits. And while we, the Pitt fanbase, tend to point the success of the players in the NFL as major recruiting tools, its overblown to a degree.
Pitt has a real shot at turning things around with Narduzzi. He's the perfect fit for this school. Pitt realistically will never sell out a 67K capacity Heinz Field, but getting close to 50K on a consistent basis would be nice. Narduzzi has started slow in his first go-around with Pitt in recruiting, but that was to be expected, at least for me. Franklin is a terrific recruiter, no doubt. HCPN has his work cut out for him big time. But there's no denying that the local WPIAL kids love him and his personality. It hasn't resulted in a commit yet, I expect Pitt to pull in a good number of the top WPIAL kids for 2016.
Looking at Penn State's 2015 schedule, you guys really should win no less than 9 games. It's littered with cupcakes and I could realistically see a 10-2 season with losses to only OSU and MSU.
The whole 5 star 4 star 3 star... what's more important debate. I don't understand the fascination with our fanbase to say stars don't matter. Yes they do. It's pretty simple really.... look at the recruiting rankings, then look at who finished where in the top 25 at the end of the year. There's a direct correlation. Because of this, I expect Penn St to be an annual top 25 team in the coming years, provided Franklin knows what to do on the field. Pitt, on the other hand, as many of you have pointed out, has it tougher in the coming years. Pitt is likely not going to get top recruits out of state in the next couple years. The place where they need to close on is the WPIAL. If Pitt can get half of the top players in the WPIAL for the '16 and '17 classes, that means Pitt got at least 3-4 4 star recruits in their class. Which is a step up from where we've been the past few years. Couple that with 2-3 four stars in neighboring states like OH, NJ, MD... and you have a top 25 class. I do expect, at the very least, a top 25-30 class from Narduzzi for 2016.
The increased B1G influence in this area certainly hasn't helped Pitt. It's probably hurt them a little too. But what else has? 4 straight 6-6 seasons, coaching turmoil, poor atmosphere at games, a boring coach who couldn't recruit with the big boys, etc etc. I could go on and on.
The key for Pitt this time around with Narduzzi is success ON THE FIELD. Words mean very little at this point. The excitement is a nice change of pace, but recruits look to what happens ON THE FIELD first and foremost. Losing to Akron in front of 20 K doesn't resonate well with future top recruits. And while we, the Pitt fanbase, tend to point the success of the players in the NFL as major recruiting tools, its overblown to a degree.
Pitt has a real shot at turning things around with Narduzzi. He's the perfect fit for this school. Pitt realistically will never sell out a 67K capacity Heinz Field, but getting close to 50K on a consistent basis would be nice. Narduzzi has started slow in his first go-around with Pitt in recruiting, but that was to be expected, at least for me. Franklin is a terrific recruiter, no doubt. HCPN has his work cut out for him big time. But there's no denying that the local WPIAL kids love him and his personality. It hasn't resulted in a commit yet, I expect Pitt to pull in a good number of the top WPIAL kids for 2016.
Looking at Penn State's 2015 schedule, you guys really should win no less than 9 games. It's littered with cupcakes and I could realistically see a 10-2 season with losses to only OSU and MSU.
The whole 5 star 4 star 3 star... what's more important debate. I don't understand the fascination with our fanbase to say stars don't matter. Yes they do. It's pretty simple really.... look at the recruiting rankings, then look at who finished where in the top 25 at the end of the year. There's a direct correlation. Because of this, I expect Penn St to be an annual top 25 team in the coming years, provided Franklin knows what to do on the field. Pitt, on the other hand, as many of you have pointed out, has it tougher in the coming years. Pitt is likely not going to get top recruits out of state in the next couple years. The place where they need to close on is the WPIAL. If Pitt can get half of the top players in the WPIAL for the '16 and '17 classes, that means Pitt got at least 3-4 4 star recruits in their class. Which is a step up from where we've been the past few years. Couple that with 2-3 four stars in neighboring states like OH, NJ, MD... and you have a top 25 class. I do expect, at the very least, a top 25-30 class from Narduzzi for 2016.
That plan seems reasonable on the surface, but getting the 2-3 4* players from neighboring states will be the issue moving forward. I think that is the point of the OP.
The bad thing that happened from Pitt's point of view, and us for that matter, is when Michigan and OSU starting poaching some of the best WPIAL players, which never happened 20 years ago. And now that there are less of those to go around, the pool of true quality players is definitely shrunken.
And I keep hearing about Narduzzi being loved by the local WPIAL kids, but really, there is no result yet from that. He needs a big local recruit sometime before the end of summer. For him, it would ideally be Hudson or Hamlin, I would guess.
The bad thing that happened from Pitt's point of view, and us for that matter, is when Michigan and OSU starting poaching some of the best WPIAL players, which never happened 20 years ago. And now that there are less of those to go around, the pool of true quality players is definitely shrunken.
And I keep hearing about Narduzzi being loved by the local WPIAL kids, but really, there is no result yet from that. He needs a big local recruit sometime before the end of summer. For him, it would ideally be Hudson or Hamlin, I would guess.
That will be the issue. But Pitt got a 4 star player from NJ for the 2015 class, a LB. If Pitt wins 8 games and competes for the Coastal, I have no doubt they can land 2-3 4 stars out of state.
The player I point to is Hamlin. He's the big one in this class. And he likely holds a lot of influence on what the other kids do. Mathews is a lock for Pitt, imo. Hamlins top 3 in order, from what I'm seeing right now, is OSU, Pitt, and PSU in that order. I think Pitt has a terrific shot at him. Beating out OSU and PSU for him would be huge for narduzzi.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Pittsburgh is in no way like the Midwestern culture you speak of. I ought to know; lived their for 50+years.
247 says Hamlin is essentially 46/46 between PSU and OSU at this point, with ND getting 8%. While not getting him would not be that big of a deal to us, due to the many 4*s we already have for DB, it is still a point of pride. I do not want to see him at OSU, at the very least.
Brightwell was a 3 star recruit on all the sites. He does have a long offer sheet, but still he's a 3 star.
I dont think Hamlin is going to Pitt at this point. I've read Mich/ND and OSU are recruiting him hard.
I was more referring to McKee, who is a 4 star on 247. Brightwell is borderline 4 star too.
If you believe they are recruiting him hard, Pitt is recruiting him even harder, I believe Narduzzi has made Hamlin his #1 priority. Hamlin has posted a ton about Pitt on Twitter, way more than he has about any other school. Not that that means anything, but it shows Pitt is certainly at the very least on his radar.
I'll disagree with the importance of stars. The people responsible for evaluating these players and assigning stars are usually not very competent. Now is it important to have good players...absolutely. This is why teams like MSU, Wisky and TCU have been able to win against the big guys. These guys aren't just good coaches...they are great at evaluating talent. We'll see how good Narduzzi and staff are at evaluating talent over the next few years.
I get what you are saying, but in general, and all other things being equal, stars matter, and they matter a lot. If Narduzzi or anyone else has to rely on finding 4 star performers that were 2 star recruits, he is going to be swimming uphill.
There are about 3-4 outliers in the top 25 every year, which you pointed out are TCU and MSU and teams like that. My point is, and not normally do I agree with Penn Staters, is that when you're high up in the recruiting rankings, you have less margin for error and for he most part more talent to work with. It increases the likelihood of being a good team, no question.
That's a statement I can agree with. I realize many on this board are blinded by their hatred of Pitt. However, I think Narduzzi has put together a very solid staff. You can tell by its composition he got a lot of advice from Dantonio and Tressell. Each seem to know how to put a staff together.
Psu's largest alumni base is in ACC country. Maybe the Big Ten will begin feeling the wrath of a decking population but it shouldn't affect PSU much.
No offense, but your Lair people blindly hate us, a lot more than we blindly hate them.
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That's the most ridiculous statement that's been made in his thread. People on your board are still celebrating Paterno's death and celebrate any new allegation about Sandusky victims. Spend the next year and you won't find anywhere near that level on this board,
It's not. I didn't hate Pitt until I started posting on these boards about 2 years ago. Same goes for Rutgers. Now, due to what has been said i hate both schools. I'll also admit that I have found it easier to stoop to their level than attempt to make peace as you are. I was banned on the Lair for saying even though i was a PSU fan, I liked Pitt and was good friends with a former player. True story. I was naive then and didn't realize what a cesspool these boards are. I take solice in knowing people are not really like this outside of their keyboards.
It's not equal at all. If Wanny had died in a car crash while coaching Pitt, nobody here would have been celebrating his demise and saying he deserved it. If someone at Pitt had been accused of child molestation 5 years ago, nobody here would have joyfully treated it as vindication that football at Pitt was a cesspool of perversion and needed to be given the death penalty.
Today, yeah, anything happens at Pitt and it would be under the microscope here, for sure. Back then, we were still adult enough to deal with it properly. Even today, though, and nearly every day, new threads are created over there when the opportunity arises to rehash anything related to JS. To Pitt, JS is the gift that keeps on giving, and they are thrilled on the Lair that it happened at all.
There might have been disrespect, but until the Lair turned into one of Dante's circles of hell, the abject hatred did not exist. As far as I am concerned, the unhealthy relationship between the two fanbases traces right back to them. Ultimately much of the responsibility falls on the moderators who never ever forced some standards on the posters, and the only ones left over there are nuts.
Today, yeah, anything happens at Pitt and it would be under the microscope here, for sure. Back then, we were still adult enough to deal with it properly. Even today, though, and nearly every day, new threads are created over there when the opportunity arises to rehash anything related to JS. To Pitt, JS is the gift that keeps on giving, and they are thrilled on the Lair that it happened at all.
There might have been disrespect, but until the Lair turned into one of Dante's circles of hell, the abject hatred did not exist. As far as I am concerned, the unhealthy relationship between the two fanbases traces right back to them. Ultimately much of the responsibility falls on the moderators who never ever forced some standards on the posters, and the only ones left over there are nuts.
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