Its Iowa Week....Lets put the women and children to bed and go look'n for dinner

[jrd23psu]

How many times do the CHA yell "HE'S STALLLLLING" when Zain is sinking his power half into Sorenson, right before he turns him on his back ?

I wonder if CHA will ever yell "HE'S STALLLLING" in the Nolf / Kemerer match ?

No, they won't. They, like the obnoxious Minnesota (only to be outdone by Lehigh) fans likely ONLY yell for stalling when they feel the guy from the other team is doing it. After all, everybody knows that only the opposing team can stall.

The Minnesota fans set the bar this year, though. They swallowed their tongues as their guys were flat on their stomachs doing nothing and called for stalling in almost every match against a PSU guy.

I was actually impressed at the crowd at Rec Hall this past Friday. There was rarely, if any, yelling for stalling by PSU fans against Rutgers guys, even when the Rutgers guy was stalling.

 

[Grass]

125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 - I see like a 6-3 score here. Gilman is too strong right now.
133: Clark 0-8 - No clue who PSU will send out so let's say 5 for Iowa here
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-8 - Jimmy struggles with taller 41lbers. Carton isn't very tall and everybody keeps it close with Heil.
149: Retherford dec Sorenson 6-8 - I will be conservative here. Zain wins easily, but only by 5-7.
157: Nolf mdec Kemerer 10-8 - Nolf will big brother Kemerer, but only major him. Could get ugly in the 3rd and Nolf could get the tech, but I'll go conservative.
165: Joseph tech St. John or Gunther 15-8
174: Meyer dec Morelli 15-11 - Hope I'm wrong, but I'll give the edge to Meyer
184: Nickal dec Brooks 18-11 - Just see a decision here unless Brooks opens it up (which he has been known to do). Bo is the better wrestler and the better athlete. I see it similar as the Dudley match.
197: Cutch dec Wilcke 21-11 - Cutch by a few in a snore fest.
285: Nevills dec Stoll 24-11 - Not sure who will even wrestle for Iowa so I'll go conservative.

 

[Creek Side]

Thomas Gilman is a more accomplished wrestler than Nick Suriano currently is, and the kid deserves tremendous respect because he is really good and really tough.

And you forgot to mention how big of a mouth he has. He's proved that over the last week for sure. I'm not counting Nick out. I'd love for him to get the W over big mouth, especially the way he's been running his jib recently.

 

[NoVa Lion]

The CHA crowd will probably intimidate the ref more than it will our team. Remember 7 of our starters wrestled in CHA last March when we finished 23.5 points ahead of Iowa in BIGs. Crowd for this dual will be all Iowa but still don't expect that to affect our team.

125-Going to be a close match. Have to give the edge to Gilman but it's close.
133-Clark with bonus over Carpenter or a regular decision over Cortez.
141-Jimmy with a win here. Carton is tough but a good matchup for Jimmy.
149-Zain with at least a major unless BS runs away and the ref lets him.
157-Kemerer has impressed me and if he keeps it to a major will impress me again.
165-Joseph with at least a major.
174-Hoping Morelli wins this one. Going to be close either way.
184-Brooks will mix it up with Bo, which I love, but it's not really a good idea.
197-Cutch should win this easily and possibly get bonus.
285-I thought Nevills would win this before yesterdays dual. I'm even more certain now.

 

[El-Jefe]

I am an official PSU bandwagon fan. I ordered the hat and flag and just said "You can't beat em join em."

Reminds me of this:

 

[diggerpup]

Totally agree with this assessment. Kemerer is familiar with Nolf from Young Guns...ain't gonna help!!

But does the familiarity matter ?

Because Nolf is so unconventional. What are you going to scout for ?

It's completely different than having familiarity with a typical wrestler who doesnt have the offensive arsenal as Nolf.

 

[CropDuster507]

Let me tell ya'll my favorite Thomas Gilman memory (except Brancale pancaking him). I know I've posted it on the G, but I don't remember if I have here.

So my team went to the Clash our senior year. We were tough, but down a couple guys. Made it into the 6th place bracket with guess who? Omaha Skutt Catholic. So, we're on the home-stretch in a tight dual. It comes down to the final two matches. It's our 3x state entrant vs Thomas Gilman. Gilman has his hand taped like a damn club, and he's pouring it on our guy. So, with a hand taped like that, our guy starts hammering on it, grabbing it, etc. Gilman is in obvious pain, but majoring him. Our guy slows the match down, but loses. Their crowd is yelling "HE CAN'T DO THAT! HE HAS A BROKEN HAND!" And our fans are like, "WHY IS HE WRESTLING, THEN?". Anyways, Gilman blows up, and I'm pretty sure he cursed. Loses him team a point. All our last guy has to do is not give up a tech, now. He gets majored. We win the dual by a slim margin, all thanks to Thomas Gilman.

He's always had a screw loose.

 

[NoVa Lion]

How many times do the CHA yell "HE'S STALLLLLING" when Zain is sinking his power half into Sorenson, right before he turns him on his back ?

I wonder if CHA will ever yell "HE'S STALLLLING" in the Nolf / Kemerer match ?

In my experience that is not unique to Iowa fans as fans everywhere, including PSU fans yell "He's stalling", "that's 2", "what's he doing on top?", "what's he doing on bottom?" all the time and they are mostly wrong. Iowa just was on top for so long that they have more fans AND a larger percentage of them yell these things than other teams fans. JMHO.

 

[James Toney]

125-Gilman dec Suriano. 0-3 (prob a 2 TD match, but so hope Nick pins Gilman)
133-Clark pin Carpenter. 0-9 (def pin and the crowd erupts after pinning a backup)
141-Carton dec Gulibon. 0-12 (carton looks better, but maybe JG can get the win?)
149-Retherford major Sorenson. 4-12 (sorenson will be on his bike)
157-Nolf major Kemmerer 8-12 (Kem will score a few TD's and he will NOT run or stall)
165- Joseph pin. 14-12 (tech a minimum for Joseph)
174- Morelli dec Meyer 17-12(or Morelli could lose on stall calls at the end from crowd)
184- Bo dec Brooks 20-12 (will be an exciting match)
197- Wilke dec Cutch 20-15 (just dont like Cutch's style, esp at this weight)
Hvy- Nevills dec Stoll 23-15 (Nevills easily beats the Stoll I just watched)

 

[GOLDBANGER]

No, they won't. They, like the obnoxious Minnesota (only to be outdone by Lehigh) fans likely ONLY yell for stalling when they feel the guy from the other team is doing it. After all, everybody knows that only the opposing team can stall.

The Minnesota fans set the bar this year, though. They swallowed their tongues as their guys were flat on their stomachs doing nothing and called for stalling in almost every match against a PSU guy.

I was actually impressed at the crowd at Rec Hall this past Friday. There was rarely, if any, yelling for stalling by PSU fans against Rutgers guys, even when the Rutgers guy was stalling.

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

 

[El-Jefe]

We take fans yelling Stalling! way too seriously. Sometimes it's just fun. Hell, when I was a student we used to get on the hockey ref if he didn't drop the puck fast enough. So what? Ref baiting is part of every sport.

 

[Dogwelder]

I don't think it will happen, but if Nick beats Gilman that place will be beyond stunned. Break out the safe rooms.

If Nick beats Gilman, break out the straitjacket and Hannibal-Lector mask for Gilman.

 

[KidNittany]

But does the familiarity matter ?

Because Nolf is so unconventional. What are you going to scout for ?

It's completely different than having familiarity with a typical wrestler who doesnt have the offensive arsenal as Nolf.

You can scout about three things:

1. He'll probably grab your ankles as you try to stand from bottom
2. Probably at least one foot sweep
3. It's a seven minute sprint

 

[LemonPie]

Unleash Rasheed

 

[Tom McAndrew]

whackadoodles

LMAO.

I'll take words I never expected to see on BWI's boards for $1,000, Alex.

 

[PSU Mike]

If JG wins, it's Katie grab the wood
If Morelli wins, it's Katie bar the door

Beat me to it.

 

[PSU Mike]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this won't resemble the Snooze in Stillwater. I'm calling for NF in no fewer than 5 bouts. Gilman and Brooks are going to try to go big, and Clark can turn most guys. I don't need to tell you we have the firepower. I'm feeling really good about Cenzo, in addition to the usual suspects.

In order of likelihood:
133 (if no Cortez)
165
285 (if no Stoll)
184
157
125
133 (w/Cortez)
149
174
285 (w/Stoll)

Unlikely:
197
141

I'm open to criticism.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

But does the familiarity matter ?

Because Nolf is so unconventional. What are you going to scout for ?

It's completely different than having familiarity with a typical wrestler who doesnt have the offensive arsenal as Nolf.

I don't even think Nolf knows some of the things he's going to do before he's goes out on the mat and just does them! Much like Bo, he feels out an opponents weakness from each position and once he "feels" it, he doesn't "force it".....he plays "cat & mouse" with the opponent until they make "that mistake" and then it's over before they knew what hit them. If you try to just not wrestle, Nolf has been known to force you to wrestle by just dropping his defense and forcing you to take what he is giving you.....then there's a mad scramble where if nothing else, the opponent uses up tons of energy and becomes even more susceptible to Nolf's super-human "tank" and relentless attacks.....more often, the opponent finds themselves on the wrong end of the scramble and on their back via some form of "funk" before they even know what happened.

 

[diggerpup]

I think the likelihood of Zain getting NF on Sorenson is greater than Gilman getting NF on Suriano. (If I am reading that last post correctly )

 

[SRATH]

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

That same guy does that schtick all the time. It isn't funny anymore

 

[RoarLions1]

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

That same guy does that schtick all the time. It isn't funny anymore

Don't laugh myself...others do, and it's apparently encouraging. There was an ex-wrestler, sat in the same section...not sure it's him.

 

[jrd23psu]

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

Yes, I am. I heard a few yahoos yell stalling, but it was not a consistent thing. For the most part I heard very little yelling for stalling on Friday.

 

[psuflyguy]

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

Yeah I heard this guy too. It was like a Pavlovian thing. When he heard the whistle he immediately yelled, "Stalling." It was hilarious. I'm guessing he was a few Rollling Rocks in before the match...

 

[SRATH]

Yeah I heard this guy too. It was like a Pavlovian thing. When he heard the whistle he immediately yelled, "Stalling." It was hilarious. I'm guessing he was a few Rollling Rocks in before the match...

Yeah but he does it +5 a match, every match......plus all the other comments.......bad form. Yeah, I am old. Hockey appears to have a super-douch fan too.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Honestly, it's gotten to the point where I almost feel sorry for the Iowa fans -- I think they even realize that they're still living in the past, especially as it pertains to PSU and Cael... I've viewed The Pokes (and to a lesser extent the tanned ones) as our biggest threat in March for the last several years. Even in the upcoming Dual Meet against Iowa, I really don't view them as being a big a threat as they proclaim themselves to be.....I'd be very surprised if this match is really all that tight.

 

[KidNittany]

Don't laugh myself...others do, and it's apparently encouraging. There was an ex-wrestler, sat in the same section...not sure it's him.

It started with an ex-wrestler, but the tradition has been passed on to a new different ex-wrestler

 

[findtheStrength]

how is it determined what weight they start at?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

how is it determined what weight they start at?

without quoting the rule book, it's basically:

1. if the 2 teams can agree on what weight to start at, then that's where they start
2. if they can't agree then they do a blind pick, and that's the weight from which they start

CS prefers to start at 125. I believe Brands has agreed with that in each of the PSU - Iowa matches, so I'd be surprised if the dual starts at anything other than 125.

 

[CholleyVandine]

Reminds me of this:

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Plenty of open seats on that bandwagon today

 

[aalion]

No, they won't. They, like the obnoxious Minnesota (only to be outdone by Lehigh) fans likely ONLY yell for stalling when they feel the guy from the other team is doing it. After all, everybody knows that only the opposing team can stall.

The Minnesota fans set the bar this year, though. They swallowed their tongues as their guys were flat on their stomachs doing nothing and called for stalling in almost every match against a PSU guy.

I was actually impressed at the crowd at Rec Hall this past Friday. There was rarely, if any, yelling for stalling by PSU fans against Rutgers guys, even when the Rutgers guy was stalling.

this point is crazy... of course no home fans will yell at the refs for stalling on their own guy... ever hear a home football crowd boo a bad call that went in their favor? should fans at all places just shut up and let the refs and coaches do their jobs re: stalling? probably. is it worse in wrestling because a few in a crowd can be clearly heard? yes - no other sport i can think of has a similar situation. is it reasonable to expect home fans to get on their own wrestler or the ref for home team stalling? of course not.

 

[Brian LB-U]

You're not serious about the stalling at Rec are you? I heard some knucklehead yell "stalling!!" right off of a whistle. We have our share of whackadoodles too.

I believe they might have caught this during the Rutgers telecast. Right off the whistle on one of the bouts someone in the crowd near the mat yelled something and the cameraman caught a bunch of nearby people laughing. I didn't bother rewinding to hear what was said, but assumed it must be "Stalling!". To Rutgers' credit, their wrestlers went down swinging.

 

[Gray52]

My conservative guess as my contribution.

125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 (I'm guessing 7-3)
133: Clark fall Carpenter 0-9
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-9
149: Retherford dec Sorensen (BS stalls his way through to help his team) 6-9
157: Nolf MajDec Kemerer (Kemerer keeps it to a 12-point loss) 10-9
Intermission Entertainment: Brands Bros race trikes around the mat
165: Joseph dec Gunther 13-9
174: Meyer dec Morelli 13-12
184: Nickal dec Brooks 16-12
194: McCutcheon dec Wilcke 19-12
HWT: Nevills dec Stoll 22-12

 

[jrd23psu]

this point is crazy... of course no home fans will yell at the refs for stalling on their own guy... ever hear a home football crowd boo a bad call that went in their favor? should fans at all places just shut up and let the refs and coaches do their jobs re: stalling? probably. is it worse in wrestling because a few in a crowd can be clearly heard? yes - no other sport i can think of has a similar situation. is it reasonable to expect home fans to get on their own wrestler or the ref for home team stalling? of course not.

If home fans want to accuse every wrestler for the other team of stalling and yell and scream and be obnoxious about it then they can, but I'm going to judge them for it and consider them obnoxious.

Like I said, it wasn't an issue at the Rutgers match. There were a few outbursts, but Minnesota (and Lehigh last year) were downright obnoxious. The crowd yelled stalling the entire time. It was almost unwatchable.

 

[nitlion6]

And you forgot to mention how big of a mouth he has. He's proved that over the last week for sure. I'm not counting Nick out. I'd love for him to get the W over big mouth, especially the way he's been running his jib recently.

Of course in the rest of my post you reference I said Nick beating Gilman should not shock anybody.

 

[nitlion6]

How many times do the CHA yell "HE'S STALLLLLING" when Zain is sinking his power half into Sorenson, right before he turns him on his back ?

I wonder if CHA will ever yell "HE'S STALLLLING" in the Nolf / Kemerer match ?

It isn't like they have quit mandating you take the "Heeeeeeeee's staaaaalllling" class before you receive your CHA wrestling tickets.

The fan base who labeled Nico Megaludis a staller.

The fan base who will argue till they are blue in the face that Sam Stoll is an offensive juggernaut

The fan base who insists McIntosh stalled because Morgan was the only guy to take an offensive shot.

The fan base who as a collective carried on during last year's finals because despite the fact the Hawks scored zero offensive points it was the other guys who kept stalling.

My guess is somewhere during the Nolf Kemerer match that fan base will feel a deep almost uncontrollable need to yell "Heeeeeee's staaaalllllin".

 

[RoarLions1]

It isn't like they have quit mandating you take the "Heeeeeeeee's staaaaalllling" class before you receive your CHA wrestling tickets.

The fan base who labeled Nico Megaludis a staller.

The fan base who will argue till they are blue in the face that Sam Stoll is an offensive juggernaut

The fan base who insists McIntosh stalled because Morgan was the only guy to take an offensive shot.

The fan base who as a collective carried on during last year's finals because despite the fact the Hawks scored zero offensive points it was the other guys who kept stalling.

My guess is somewhere during the Nolf Kemerer match that fan base will feel a deep almost uncontrollable need to yell "Heeeeeee's staaaalllllin".

You forgot to mention "the statue".

 

[dropster45]

My conservative guess as my contribution.

125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 (I'm guessing 7-3)
133: Clark fall Carpenter 0-9
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-9
149: Retherford dec Sorensen (BS stalls his way through to help his team) 6-9
157: Nolf MajDec Kemerer (Kemerer keeps it to a 12-point loss) 10-9
Intermission Entertainment: Brands Bros race trikes around the mat
165: Joseph dec Gunther 13-9
174: Meyer dec Morelli 13-12
184: Nickal dec Brooks 16-12
194: McCutcheon dec Wilcke 19-12
HWT: Nevills dec Stoll 22-12

I'm guessing that this is the most accurate guess on the outcome that a guesser can have.
The Trikes were brought into play as the University of Iowa Athletic Director no longer approves of Tom and Terry running around the arena whilst in a state of rage. Thus, aside from them being placed in "Johnny Jumpers" (Yes, that's correct, they will be suspended from the ceiling with just their toes touching the floor and only able to bounce vertically), they will also be given a 1/2 time "trike show" in order to burn energy.

 

[aalion]

If home fans want to accuse every wrestler for the other team of stalling and yell and scream and be obnoxious about it then they can, but I'm going to judge them for it and consider them obnoxious.

Like I said, it wasn't an issue at the Rutgers match. There were a few outbursts, but Minnesota (and Lehigh last year) were downright obnoxious. The crowd yelled stalling the entire time. It was almost unwatchable.

Agree totally with the position that the home crowd being silly about it is ... silly. What I dont think is reasonable is the idea that it would somehow be OK if they would yell for it both ways or that they are hypocritical if they do not.

Cheer for your guys. Leaving the reffing to the refs. Never address or boo the opposition (with a possible exception for telling Brands to sit down and shut up).

 

[WildTurk]

The fan base who will argue till they are blue in the face that Sam Stoll is an offensive juggernaut

Guess i missed the offensive juggernaut talk about Stoll. Your just throwing mud i see

 

[greenmanRD]

Cheer for your guys. Leaving the reffing to the refs. Never address or boo the opposition (with a possible exception for telling Brands to sit down and shut up).

Or when Gravina cannot put on headgear or figure out how to ride on top.