Unfair...Gravina was frustrated too, and was rushing to get the equipment issue resolved. Kid was legitimately trying to get the wrestling restarted...no way he should have been booed.
Its Iowa Week....Lets put the women and children to bed and go look'n for dinner
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Apparently we saw 2 different events. What I saw was a kid scrambling to get the match restarted...not one ounce of body language or behavior that even remotely suggests he was taking a lunger. Kid's a goer...guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Turk,
Glad to see you agreed with the rest of my examples, and of course as Roar mentioned I did not bring up the statue.
If you missed the Stoll offensive juggernaut spiel you need to read some of the thread from Sunday's match. Stoll wasn't stalling when he double underhooked and drove the Pokie kid off the mat - he was simply working his offense. Since it is double underhooks and drive all the time and that is him working his offense - thus an offensive juggernaut.
Sorry man. I don't make this up. I just poke fun at it.
Nit
Glad to see you agreed with the rest of my examples, and of course as Roar mentioned I did not bring up the statue.
If you missed the Stoll offensive juggernaut spiel you need to read some of the thread from Sunday's match. Stoll wasn't stalling when he double underhooked and drove the Pokie kid off the mat - he was simply working his offense. Since it is double underhooks and drive all the time and that is him working his offense - thus an offensive juggernaut.
Sorry man. I don't make this up. I just poke fun at it.
Nit
Juggernaut? Do you ever watch Greco? And just because i didn't respond to everything you said doesn't mean i agree with you. Try not to jump to conclusions based on info that is not there. Its like putting words in my mouth that never existed.
I didn't see ANY evidence of Gravina trying to delay the match. In fact, he seemed eager to get back to it, which is what I expected of him. It's also why in KYPSW I picked Bo to pin him, because I knew he would keep attacking. I expect Brooks to do the same on Friday, which is why I like Brooks. It's also why I expect Bo to get bonus points against Brooks. I like and have a ton of respect for wrestlers like Gravina and Brooks as opposed to others I will not name that do not do that.
I've watched greco
I've watched sumo also.
Double unders, drive out looks like a combination of the two styles.
If the idea is double underhooks to a throw - how often does that happen? I haven't seen it but I don't get to see every Iowa match.
I was just addressing whether or not there was a possibility the Iowa wrestling fans may yell for a stalling call against Nolf.
For 2 decades in a close match Gable would stand, put a fist in the air and scream demanding a stall call from the ref. For 2 decades the Iowa fan base, outnumbering all other fan bases and taking their cue from Gable would recite together "heeeeee's staaaaalllling" and eventually the stall call would be given.
Every fan base thinks the other guy is stalling. The difference between others and the Hawks is screaming "heeeeeee's staaaaalllling" for 2 decades the Hawk fan base had been rewarded with numerous fan demanded, match determining stall calls.
Screaming, actually almost singing "heeeeeee's staaaaalllling" and believing every non hawk is stalling is part of the collective personality of the Hawk fan base.
So yeah, the same group that labeled Nico a staller, and carried on about Zain stallng against Sorensend is perfectly capable of yelling heeeeeee's staaaaalllling against Nolf regardless of what is actually happening.
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You don't see kids hitting gut wrenches or leg laces in NCAA folkstyle and insisting it as "offense".
Why should Stoll's boring Greco "arsenal" be considered any differently if he's not using his underhooks or pushing to lead to folkstyle scoring combinations ?
Underhooks are fine if he's gonna throw the kid or pull with it and score on a go-behind.
But he just pushes and pushes and does nothing. Maybe it's time he learns a lower body shot instead of putting everyone to sleep. Lol.
Why should Stoll's boring Greco "arsenal" be considered any differently if he's not using his underhooks or pushing to lead to folkstyle scoring combinations ?
Underhooks are fine if he's gonna throw the kid or pull with it and score on a go-behind.
But he just pushes and pushes and does nothing. Maybe it's time he learns a lower body shot instead of putting everyone to sleep. Lol.
To be fair to Gable. For faaaaaar too long, Iowa wrestlers were in better shape than most of the other programs they wrestled and they were famous for gassing out their opponents. They would pound on the head, snap down / spin around, shoot at the edge. Gassed opponent would either back up or just give up. Often times Iowa opponents WERE stalling.
Fortunately, times have change and the world has caught up to them on conditioning. Traditional Iowa "beat the head and grind" approaches don't work anymore but the stall calls keep rolling from their fans who are still living in the 80s and 90s.
Agree that Gravina's headgear problem wasn't him stalling for a breather and indeed did seem anxious to get back to the mat. Up until the point where he made a Huge Mistake (which had nothing to do with him being gassed but rather trying a move his coach suggested Gravina had no right to attempt against Nickal) he was wrestling Bo pretty well, maybe as well as anyone this year.
The bad thing about the Gravina headgear episode, it was after the review of Bo's take down at the end of the period. BTN, in their infinate wisdom, showed both in their entirety while no showing a replay of Bo's pin in their wrestling in 60 feature. Really?
I agree Gable kids were typically conditioned to a different level than others.
I got to know Stoll back in the youth/off-season days. Great dude, but pushing someone out of bounds isn't offense, and he's gotten away with it since HS. Sure, his SR year, he walked through, but those JR/SO years, he won more than a couple of matches on BS stall calls for pushing.
Great greco, though.
Great greco, though.
Can't answer your question absolutely, but a guess would be Home Delivery, Champs, and/or Letterman's. I'd call first to make sure they'll have it on.
It's on BTN so if you show up and they don't have it on somewhere I would imagine asking them to turn on BTN would work. I do this all the time. A lot of places have more than one TV and a lot of the time you notice they have the same channel on more than one, so changing one of them is usually no big deal. Plus you're the customer so they usually want to make you happy.
Went over to HR to see what they were predicting regarding Friday's Dual (rarely go there and never post there). Would say most posters predicted scores in the low-to-mid 20s for PSU and anywhere from 7-12 points for Iowa. Of the posters who predicted an Iowa win (usually something like 16-15 or 19-18, etc...), I was a little shocked at which match most of them picked for Iowa's 5th win (i.e., the most common predictions for Iowa wins, even with the people predicting a Dual loss, were at 125, 133, 141 and 174); however, many of the posters picking an Iowa upset were predicting Brooks upsetting Bo for the 5th win! Most saw it as a high-scoring affair where Brooks can more than hold his own on the offensive side of the equation......and that Brooks would likely go after Bo right from the gun just like he did against Boyd. Maybe just me, but I think there is a good bit of delusion involved in believing what worked against Boyd is going to work against Bo and coming out with guns blazing in a shootout brings back Clint Eastwood's line from The Outlaw Josey Wales, "Dying ain't much of a living, boy".
I don't see Brooks as a threat to Bo at all. Prior to Nebby I said Bo > Cutch > Dudley. That proved to be true and Bo's bout with Brooks will go the same way.
Saw a few predictions over there with Kemerer over Nolf. Didn't think is was worth the agg to dispute it though. Can't see any scenario in which Nolf loses.
Smart man!! No surprise, though...their guy and all that. Completely understandable in the spectrum of fans, that some think Kemerer will win. Our side of the table will have it 100% for Jason...and that's ok too.
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It will be on at Dugan's pub, in Luzerne PA, if anyone needs a place to watch it.
Agree regarding disputing it; I didn't post anything there.... Just surprised that either of those would be the weight-class where they see a 5th victory coming from. I think a win by Stoll is more likely than a win at 84 or 57......and I don't think the likelihood of an Iowa win at HWT is a very a high probability possibility the way Nick has looked of late, but it's still exponentially higher than a win at 57 and significantly higher than a win at 84 imho.
Yea, regardless of who he faces, Nolf reminds me of a tiger who has been starved for a couple weeks and then let out of his cage at the start of the match! (and Bo's style is pretty much the same....). He's just all over his opponent like "white on rice" from the opening whistle!
Anything can happen when we're only talking 1 bout. Heck, we saw a decision from "the other guy", right after our guy pinned him at B1G's.
Odds are against a pin here...though always possible with Jason. I'll go MD. And the "people" you're referring to are all on HR, right?
Eh, I wouldn't go lock. I think Topher can win but I do think Jimmy can beat him. It's probably one of the closest matches of the dual tbh.
Kemerer is having a great year so far, but what has he done at 157 this year to make anyone feel like he can beat Nolf? I could see people predicting that if he had a win over someone as good as IMAR, but in reality his best win this year was against Berger or Smith. Nolf is in another league and I don't buy the familiarity argument. I would be very surprised if Nolf doesn't win by major. In the same vain I would be surprised to see Suriano beat Gilman.
The only way Kemerer wins is if the Ref allows Terry Brands on the mat to help double team Nolf. Now as I think about it, would not be a complete shock if the Ref looked the other way at Carver.
