It's starting to look a lot like Christmas !!
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Yeah. Rather random post IMO. Needs some background or it's just another one of those "Feds are investigating" comments.
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I'd love to have some real actionable news come out that implicated members of the BOT, TSM, CYS, etc. in a cover up. Having someone speculate is even interesting to me, if they provide some detail on why they think this of who did what. Just saying that it's a cover up doesn't do a thing to advance the discussion, however.
Every wonder where all the money went? Or who has it now? How about, why did they steal it? Maybe, they needed it to hide something?
Forget about all that and just think about the money -- all that money!!
There has to be a reason. Sandusky's sitting in jail. And money untold just being spent like gravy on mashed potatoes. How does that happen while the tax payer gets caught holding the bag?
Can you hear me laughing?
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Forget about all that and just think about the money -- all that money!!
There has to be a reason. Sandusky's sitting in jail. And money untold just being spent like gravy on mashed potatoes. How does that happen while the tax payer gets caught holding the bag?
Can you hear me laughing?
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So, you are just asking questions... nothing wrong with that, but it's been done since 2011. It's about time someone comes up with an answer. I can't believe that in this time nobody has bothered to investigate CYS or TSM.
Well now THAT really is the $1 million dollar questions isn't it? I mean these are the folks who (1) fumbled the ball in the worst possible way in 1998 and (2) were the source of all Sandusky's victims. Nevertheless, both were off limits for Freeh and haven't registered on any agency's official investigation list. I am sure the incestuous relationship between the PSU BOT, Corbett and TSM in particular had no impact on any of this lack of interest.
honestly thought that this was in reference to the high caliber recruits being brought aboard by CJF, my mistake for having read this.........
INBLIt's really starting to look like Sandusky is in jail to cover up a bunch of nasty people stealing a lot of money, tax payer's money, our money.
If you are going to steal, a really hot diversion can work miracles!
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If you move the cursor over the subject (before you open it) it will reveal the first couple of lines in the post. That way you can see if you want to read the thread or skip it.
You can't? You do realize who the Attorney General was when the Statewide Investigating Grand Jury was convened by that AG in the spring 2009? You do realize that this AG is directly tied to the corrupt GOP-cabal who hi-jacked PSU's Executive Committee of the BOT which holds absolute power over the University and its finances? You do realized that Jake Corman, Majority Leader in PA Legislature is a member of this political junta and a former member of Board of Directors at The Second Mile as were many relatives of influential PSU BOT Members - these same influential wealthy parties with questionable values and ethics were massive contributors to the AG's successful gubernatorial run in 2010 - wow what coinky-dink...I still don't see any connections...duh!!! Amazing how we don't see that which we don't want to see!!!
So stealing > Sexually assaulting kids?
Some of you just don't understand. JS is where he belongs, the guy is complete scum and deserves worst then what he got. I can't think of many crimes worst then what JS did, especially to defenseless kids who trusted him.
Some of you just don't understand. JS is where he belongs, the guy is complete scum and deserves worst then what he got. I can't think of many crimes worst then what JS did, especially to defenseless kids who trusted him.
No rational person is defending JS. It is the process that is being attacked. He deserved what he got, but the way he got it is the issue. I don't know why that is so hard to understand, since it requires only idiot-level comprehension.
The OP is clearly stating that Sandusky is in jail to cover up somebody else stealing money. That is a sick statement given the mountain of evidence that was presented against Sandusky at his trial. There are really some sick people on this board.
I also thought this was a recruiting thread and was unexpectedly exposed to the lunatic fringe "Sandusky was framed" crowd. This crowd is truly an embarrassment to our university.
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well...totally agree and so does everyone else. Where the problem comes in is due process.
follow along with me on this:
- JS makes a career out of being touchy/feely. He suggests this is a tool to get kids to open up to him, kids that have been abandoned, abused, and/or ignored previously.
- We have a very high risk environment for such claims under any circumstances.
- MM observes something....he tells several (normally) responsible people and not a single person thinks enough of his story to call police/security/CYS/etc. He tells Joe and Joe tells Curley who tells Schultz. We don't know who that kid was so there isn't any way to corroborate the story.
- They have one child, 1998, who sided with Jerry at the time. They ran two sting operations, to no avail. DA decided not to even bring charges.
- They have victim #1, who is (IMHO) the most credible witness and a mom who wouldn't take no for an answer when she suspected something. But, what JS did was no more worse than the 1998 incident.
- The grand jury presentment was full of claims we know didn't happen. Kids came out of the woodwork, we know that many of these claims were considered to me made up. Several more were paid. (even ones were we know the time and places were incorrect and kids that claimed nothing happened back in the day) We have a smarmy lawyer running around finding kids that will make claims.
- We have a trial that was done extremely fast. We have a defense attorney that didn't even make the most fundamental arguments. We have a judge that made some very questionable rulings (janitor, not allowing follow up on grand jury forgetting for MM's dad, etc.), we have a defense attorney that has since been disbarred.
- We've got a ton of money and politics involved including a Gov, the NCAA, President of Merck, US Steel and Mellon (and more). We have billions of dollars of annual revenue streams threatened.
Do I need a tin-foil hat in order to post in this thread?
To the claims that there are slimy politicians knee-deep in an assortment of crimes just below the surface of the Sandusky investigation that are doing everything they can to avoid having dirt on them dug up: I wouldn't be surprised at all. This is who politicians are and what they do. I would love to see these crimes brought to light, but I'm not holding my breath.
To anyone making the assertion that Sandusky might possibly be innocent... I don't even know what to say. He is guilty. Is it possible that some claims have been fabricated by kids/parents/lawyers who want to get in on the action and were close enough to make a plausible claim? Sure. There's no way that there is that much smoke without fire, though. Frankly, I'd rather pay 20 made up claims than risk not paying 1 legitimate one. Let's not cloud a clear situation.
To the claims that there are slimy politicians knee-deep in an assortment of crimes just below the surface of the Sandusky investigation that are doing everything they can to avoid having dirt on them dug up: I wouldn't be surprised at all. This is who politicians are and what they do. I would love to see these crimes brought to light, but I'm not holding my breath.
To anyone making the assertion that Sandusky might possibly be innocent... I don't even know what to say. He is guilty. Is it possible that some claims have been fabricated by kids/parents/lawyers who want to get in on the action and were close enough to make a plausible claim? Sure. There's no way that there is that much smoke without fire, though. Frankly, I'd rather pay 20 made up claims than risk not paying 1 legitimate one. Let's not cloud a clear situation.
So....
- a kid ether never claimed or sided with the defense
- is contacts a decade or more later, and is told his claim may be worth millions of dollars
- kid is "at risk" anyway
OMHO, the only credible claims against Jerry are Victim 1, and MM.
Sandusky may well be guilty as hell - that doesn't mean he isn't he used as a "foil" and fall guy of corruption & charitable-fraud (essentially racketeering). Most savvy people understand that this is how "organized crime" controls people including politicos - they "own you" & control you once they have the goods on your personal "skeletons in the closet"....Eliott Spitzer a good example - who do you think was providing those unlimited spending accounts at high-end escort services anyway? The tooth fairy? Much more likely the mob who owned the services he was using & they likely had him "in their pocket" via blackmail - you don't think the Feds got involved because of simple prostitution??? Has to be way more to story.... The novel, and subsequent movie, Elmer Gantry is another good one to look at regarding a very similar saga to this affair except replace the ministry being used as a fraud with the supposedly noble endeavor known as The Second Mile. TSM was a fraud being run for fraudent purposes - TSM being marketed as this big noble endeavor, one of the thousand points of light, etc..., was for public consumption - that was clearly NOT its primary purpose.....NOR was Jerry Sandusky the only perpetrator of this fraud....he undoubtedly had many rich and powerful co-conspirators.
My only disagreement here.....Spitzer was paying that gal out of his own account and got caught via money laundering laws (large currency transaction reports) that made him look suspicious (nobody does multi-thousand dollar transactions anymore unless its for nefarious purposes). But I do agree with your general point....something stinks to high heaven on this...it IS a cabal of some type....and that cabal has very deep pockets, political might and influence. We probably will never know but I am comfortable saying that several titans of industry, politicians, judges and the press were involved and/or complicit.
And, at the very least, Matt Sandusky. I think you have to take his claim as credible. That gives you 2 victims, which shows the propensity of a serial pedophile. If there's 2, there's more. Likely many more.
I'm all for the conspiracy theory that there are more people tied - either directly or indirectly - with illegal activities all around this case, but I see zero evidence to believe any sort of conspiracy that Sandusky isn't the monster that he's been portrayed to be.
I don't think there is any chance at all that JS isn't guilty. However, I do think his trial and conviction was part of a massive public display designed to make sure the spotlight was not on other things that otherwise might have received more scrutiny.
Anybody who looks back at how that trial was conducted, the rulings that were made, the inept lawyering, etc etc, cannot possibly come to any other conclusion other than the entire thing was a staged event. Hopefully someday we will find out why.
Anybody who looks back at how that trial was conducted, the rulings that were made, the inept lawyering, etc etc, cannot possibly come to any other conclusion other than the entire thing was a staged event. Hopefully someday we will find out why.
I wouldn't go that far. Matt was going to testify on behalf of his father at the start of the trial. now, certainly possible that he had a revelation listening to the other victims. Or, he could have seen his meal ticket being punched. (won't be much to inherit on that estate when its all said and done). Finally, not sure why JS would adopt Matt if he abused him at an earlier age. But who knows...not to disparage Matt. Only he and JS know for sure. I just find it odd that he flipped at that time.
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On a related note, I'm pretty sure that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax.
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Your missing the point here....Sandusky's guilt or innocence is IMMATERIAL!!! No one wants to promote Childhood sex crimes, but what is at risk here is a REAL CRIME - HIDING WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH.
At first, what we were told as "evidence" by the AG presentment made Jerry Sandusky look as guilty as sin...but look at what is known now...throughout there have been many suspicious features about the victims, the lawyers, the way the "evidence" was gathered, the overall legal process....was that trial that "convicted" Jerry real justice or something else???
For me, too many "questionable areas" of the Sandusky legal process are now known to be sure REAL JUSTICE was done.
Even today, the original premise of Sandusky being this indisputable MONSTER is overwriting what is the real victim of all of this - (...remember the victims...)JUSTICE.
If Sandusky is guilty, let's have a fair trial which proves that justice has been done. A new trial does not mean he is innocent, it just mean that this time maybe real JUSTICE can be validated.
I believe a new trial will prove one important thing....that the MONSTER label Sandusky received was carefully constructed by "others" in order to sell the real intent of the MONSTER Sandusky image ....sell another even bigger "Story" to the public. That "story" - THE PENN STATE SEX SCANDAL" - was designed to provide the smoke needed to cover other REAL CRIMES.
Without a "MONSTER" image, the absurdity of the "Story" (the Criminal Football Culture under the direction of Paterno) would have been impossible for the general public to believe.
Personally, I suspect STRONGLY PA government, a politically connected BOT and general corrupt politics are the real MONSTERS!!!
I guess Sandusky himself was part of the scandal since he never fired his counsel and did nothing while his own counsel made sure he was found guilty.
Amendola's performance was woeful. Beyond woeful. Almost unspeakably woeful.
Someone who was as bad as he was during that trial, should never have been hired to begin with, if this was his usual level of performance.
Hey, if you sleep better by thinking the trial was completely on the up-and-up, by all means, believe it. I personally have my doubts.
Someone who was as bad as he was during that trial, should never have been hired to begin with, if this was his usual level of performance.
Hey, if you sleep better by thinking the trial was completely on the up-and-up, by all means, believe it. I personally have my doubts.
I think you have to be careful with labeling TSM. Weren't there thousands of kids assisted by the organization over the years of its existence? He was convicted or accused of sexually abusing how many of them? It seems to me that the organization did a lot of good for an awful lot of kids while a handful had to suffer through the hell of Sandusky.
You've taken one of the least credible vics and told us we have to accept his credibility? LOL.
Look, I think Sandusky was likely guilty...but not of all that he was convicted of.
I think of folks like you as chowderheads, and complicit in the conspiracy to try to get the world to accept as credible the least credible aspects of every topic. LMAO.
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Yes, this whole affair has "Tyranny writ large" all over it with the puppet tyrant being "empty suit" Corbutt and the real tyrants being organize-crime connected politicos out of Hershey who are transplants from Montgomery County which still serves as a cesspool of their corruption as evidenced by their control of the SWIGJ Judiciary there for use as sword & shield....
Thats not what the OP is saying, he is saying JS is in jail to help a cover up.
And I don't get why anyone is hard bent on a pedophile getting a deserving chance.
Dude, it has nothing to do with JS. It has to do with the fact that everything about this mess has been manipulated, from the judges to the DA's to Corman's settlement to the refusal to release documents to etc etc etc.
JS is just a pawn in this particular argument. A distraction. A red herring.
Of course he's guilty. That isn't the point here.
JS is just a pawn in this particular argument. A distraction. A red herring.
Of course he's guilty. That isn't the point here.
The problem is that Penn State was investigated and alleged guilty even though JS was only a retired football coach, as opposed to TSM, where he founded the charity. Don't you think that JS's ties to TSM were so much stronger since 1999 than with Penn State?
Agree and disagree. Obviously, kudos to them for all the effort and kids that they helped. On the other hand, its hard to believe that their controls so lax that they had this go on right under their noses. Especially in light of 1998 (and who knows how many other complaints they may have gotten directly about JS). One would think that there would be processes in place to know when kids were with whom, why, results, and approvals (from parents or guardians). I am also shocked kids were allowed to be with him without other supervision. finally, they had to be aware of his showering. WTF?
No, TSM does not, or should not, get a free pass on this.
JS isn't a pawn, no doubt it runs deeper, but the guy was a serial predator. I am sure there is alot of crap, but how can you say the ONLY reason he is behind bars is to hid a cover up.
People who think this way really are no better then him IMO and probably have skeletons in their closet.
Nate, you don't read very well, do you? Try to grasp the fundamentals, and then go back and practice reading my last few posts. I believe I very emphatically stated that JS is guilty, and after a bit of practice with your text you will be able to read that, too.
There are idiots out there who cannot grasp that JS can be quite guilty, AND the trial to have been a scripted sham. You apparently are one of them.
There are idiots out there who cannot grasp that JS can be quite guilty, AND the trial to have been a scripted sham. You apparently are one of them.
