If I were bradley and schiano I would be mad as hell. I would sue MM's ass
oh wait that will never happen.....
Jay's Open Letter to Sally Jenkins
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If I were bradley and schiano I would be mad as hell. I would sue MM's ass
oh wait that will never happen.....
Don't know about anybody else..but the part in Jay's article about his dad having his last dinner at home really got to me. Very sad.
Thank you Jay for your inspiring letter. I especially wish to thank you for defending Joe Sarra. He was a great man who was an inspiration to me my entire life. Those of us who know(knew) these folks who have been villified applaud your elequant message.
Since Mike is currently unemployed and doesn't have a lot of assets, this would be a fairly unproductive civil lawsuit.
So yes, in a rare instance, I actually agree with Towny. This will not happen.
There is no way to win that suit. What would be the civil suit? You lied? Good luck proving that.
MS has money. And Kevin O'Dea has the same beef. Release the hounds!
Yo JohnDoe 150...where is it exactly where you supposedly showered with other campers/coaches. if I am not mistaken there are about 200-250 kids at these camps...where in the hell is there a shower big enough for that many people? If I recall...when a session ended everyone went back to the dorms....showered...then went to lunch or dinner in East Halls. You wouldn't happen to be telling some lies here just so you can get a few bucks would ya?????
bwifan
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This is obviously incorrect as there is a deposition from the '76 claimant. Depositions are given under oath.
Maybe he was the only one put under oath, but I doubt it.
I wouldn't be surprised if she hasn't even read it. This will never hit the MSM outside of State College and would be dismissed by most as being biased. It's a shame.
In one of the prelim hearings, Mike was asked if he told others that he saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. And Mike answered no. Mike also noted that he did not get into detail with others about JS, but they knew he had a strong reaction to JS being around. Of course this was post 2010.
What can you get from a guy who's back living in his old man's house?
bwifan
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Amazing to me how many different versions MM has stated and are out there yet no one in the press questions it... For the media it's if it doesn't fit the narrative we simply toss it.... regardless if it's fact or not... Most likely for multiple reasons.... 1) they are being spoon fed info behind the scenes and don't want to bite the hand that feeds them (2) they are being greased behind the scenes to write a narrative and stick to it (3) they don't want have to admit they have had it wrong all this time (4) they are lazy and just want clicks and reaction from the readers to keep their readership numbers high, could care less about facts
Not to mention they have no standing as they'd have to demonstrate a loss, and Mike hasn't caused them any losses.
I will add more to this story. I attended football camp at PSU is both 1975 and 76. In both cases we were housed in east halls. All activities were held on the IM fields across the street from the dorms. Joe only showed up twice. Once during the sessions at the IM fields were he walked around and one during the Wednesday nite picnic. No players were ever present during the camp activities. A few showed up at the picnic to visit and eat. As for PSU coach interaction. They led their position but the vast majority of the teaching and coaching was done by the high school coaches. All showering was done in the dorms. There were never visits to the teams facilities. The camp was a Sunday to Friday camp. You had to be going into 9th grade to attend.
That claimant was put under oath for the PSU vs. PMA lawsuit, not for the settlement process, YOU DUNCE!
According to Jay: "Only six claimants testified in the insurance case; overall 26 of the 32 were never deposed"
And, we all know that depositions are not testimonials. They are depositions. As such, lies in depositions often go unchallenged.
CVille, this is important info. Any thought of writing to the WaPo with this level of detail or more? Any thought of sharing in as many areas as possible to counter the common misconception about how very unavailable and unseen JVP was at these camps?
Thank you for posting this.
Did PSU even verify that this guy attended a PSU camp?
So, is it at all possible that O'Dea was present as a HS coach? I think not, because he was a college coach beginning in the later 80s. Would he have been at a PSU camp while employed by another college?
Thanks for the reply -
I guess it is just me but is seems Jay took the same liberties with Mike's testimony in June of 2012 that he condemns the media for doing -
when bradley was first promoted to interim head coach his initial response to questions about Jerry was he had no prior knowledge of Jerry. He and Jay actually were on ABC before the ohio state game and both denying any prior knowledge was laughable.
Now bradley's recent statement is I didn't have any knowledge in 80's and 90's and while I did actually have prior knowledge about 2001 it was ok because I knew it had already been reported.
So he has gone from no knowledge to it was ok because it was reported. but of course no one sees the difference in that.....
Good question but I doubt it since they couldn't even spend 10 seconds googling O'Dea's name to see where and when he worked at PSU.
Maybe I'm missing something here-but wouldn't that be counter to his efforts to have the insurance company pay for the OGBOT follies?
John, I am old enough to remember (is that a paradox?) Dan Jenkins' scathing article after Penn State lost to Colorado in 1970. I was at Ft. Sill, OK at the time in the OBC with plenty of fellow football fanatics. They enjoyed Jenkins' criticisms blasting PSU's 31-game unbeaten streak ... a streak Jenkins claimed was really worthy of about 8. He slammed Penn State's schedules in 1968-69 in particular and Eastern football in general.
Apparently, getting the facts straight is not a part of the Jenkins DNA,
Jenkins is a TCU grad, I believe, and a devoted worshiper of the SWC, home to those 1969 Longhorns.
So many times I told psudukie to STFU with his defense of the indefensible and his "I know something you don't know" bullshit. It's about time he listened.
the board wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting if it were just you and all of your wishful thinking blue cool-aid drinkers just slapping each other on the asses saying how awesome you all are to each other.........
Mike has claimed that he saw Sandusky molesting a child and he walked away.
It's hardly surprising that he would want to deflect attention from the magnitude of his horrible act by making other people seem bad, too.
Agree. For me personally, it's getting really hard to like anything at all about Penn State at this point.
Have you called the police yet to report the shower incident in Feb. 2001? Didn't John McQ tell you about it at the same time that Mike was telling Joe? Just horseplay then, right?
I sent the link to the Post LTE contact suggesting that. We'll see what happens.
knowledge after 2001 is meaningless, in the case of these assistant coaches. At that point, it was all on MM to do what he needed to do. (and schultz, who is a mystery in terms of what he did and when). The point of the question to Bradley, Schiano and the rest was about the depositions relative to the 70's and 80's. So your point doesn't hold.
Frankly, I wouldn't waste the calories writing to that dying rag or its hack writer. They have their narrative and the truth won't change it. I have a JVP magnet on the back of my Lexus. It's there to honor the man that meant the most to me beside my Dad. My Dad first introduced me to Coach P at the Elks Club in downtown State College in 1966. I was 7 years old. I know the truth and that's good enough for me.
Anyone suggesting such would be an idiot......have you seen any such suggestions? (I really don't know, I'm asking)
As I posted earlier:
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1 - MM, unless I have totally missed something, NEVER said "Schiano/Bradley witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a child"
[Quite frankly, how could he? None of us could ever logically make a statement about what someone else witnessed/did not witness.....it is a wholely inane supposition. So that whole issue is DOA - from a purely common sense, logic standpoint]
So Schiano/Bradley saying they "never witnessed Sandusky engaged in child sexual abuse" is not even an impeachable statement - - - - - let alone evidence that someone is "lying"
2 - Schiano/Bradley, unless I have totally missed something, said - essentially - that they never witnessed or had reason to believe that Sandusky was sexually abusing children
3 - No matter what the nature of any conversations may have been between Schiano/Bradley and MM (and I don't know if I have ever even seen any statements that Schiano even spoke w MM...FWIW) it does not, can not - logically - go toward being a definitive statement on what they (Schiano/Bradley) "believed".
Now - if MM testified that "Bradley told me X"....and Bradley testified that "I never said X to MM".....THEN you have a case were someone is lying, or at least not recollecting correctly. But that - again, unless I completely missed something - is NOT the case......not from ANY of the statements/testimony that I recall reading.
Turning this MM vs Schiano/Bradley into a Godzilla vs Mothra drama is just silly.....IMO
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Now, Schiano or Bradley, or - most clearly - O'Dea.....pursuing action against the particular claimants - or against Ira Lubert and his Star Chamber?
THERE IS WHERE THE ACTION SHOULD BE DIRECTED.
FWIW, I was there in the same time frame (some overlapping years, to be precise).....and everything you stated is 100% factual
Glad someone other than just me remembers his dissing of Eastern football from that article as well Bob.
