Jay's Open Letter to Sally Jenkins

[Aoshiro]

Aoshiro,

Who is the North Carolina hillbilly and friends that you might be referring to?

As for Jay's article, I don't believe I saw jay use quote marks from Mike's testimony, he could of easily quoted directly.

I would invite everyone to go re read the testimony and tell me Mike has changed his story. I would invite you to reconsider Jay's statement as well. I don't believe jay was dishonest but it was a very open to interpretation statement that hit a point across. It was a way of representing Mike's words without being detailed or looking at other interpretations.

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

I will let the name calling commence or just re start.

Side note for Tom McA. I will look forward to saying hi in person when you can do it. Thank you.

Your brother's story is that he saw Sandusky raping a child, and instead of stopping it and removing the child he called daddy and went home.
And daddy told him to call the football coach in the morning instead of the police. Then, after he purportedly told this to Curley and Schultz and nothing happened, he kept his yap shut for a decade knowing full well that Sandusky was interacting with kids every day.

And supposedly you knew this, your brother-in-law knew this, and your dad knew this.

What are we supposed to think of you? Please illuminate.

 

[jim cummings]

Aoshiro,

Who is the North Carolina hillbilly and friends that you might be referring to?

As for Jay's article, I don't believe I saw jay use quote marks from Mike's testimony, he could of easily quoted directly.

I would invite everyone to go re read the testimony and tell me Mike has changed his story. I would invite you to reconsider Jay's statement as well. I don't believe jay was dishonest but it was a very open to interpretation statement that hit a point across. It was a way of representing Mike's words without being detailed or looking at other interpretations.

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

I will let the name calling commence or just re start.

Side note for Tom McA. I will look forward to saying hi in person when you can do it. Thank you.

 

[EPC FAN]

Aoshiro,

Who is the North Carolina hillbilly and friends that you might be referring to?

As for Jay's article, I don't believe I saw jay use quote marks from Mike's testimony, he could of easily quoted directly.

I would invite everyone to go re read the testimony and tell me Mike has changed his story. I would invite you to reconsider Jay's statement as well. I don't believe jay was dishonest but it was a very open to interpretation statement that hit a point across. It was a way of representing Mike's words without being detailed or looking at other interpretations.

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

I will let the name calling commence or just re start.

Side note for Tom McA. I will look forward to saying hi in person when you can do it. Thank you.

Why didn't your brother call Penn State Police that night? He allowed a boy to stay with a monster, while he went home. 'Splain that one.

 

[PSU_1991]

 

[PSU_1991]

 

[jim cummings]

Looks like Jay has declared war.

 

[jjsocrates]

Yes - I discussed the several outstanding ethics complaints filed with the State Disciplinary Board on Fina. For anyone who has been paying attention, they really need to look thru it via the lens of Duke LAX.

Or the UVA "rape" case...which turns out to have been fully invented and assumed to be true by the media.

 

[simons96]

Looks like Jay has declared war.

and he has the world's largest dues paying member alumni association for soldiers.

 

[jjsocrates]

Your brother's story is that he saw Sandusky raping a child, and instead of stopping it and removing the child he called daddy and went home.
And daddy told him to call the football coach in the morning instead of the police. Then, after he purportedly told this to Curley and Schultz and nothing happened, he kept his yap shut for a decade knowing full well that Sandusky was interacting with kids every day.

And supposedly you knew this, your brother-in-law knew this, and your dad knew this.

What are we supposed to think of you? Please illuminate.

I too must have missed dukie and townie's explanation for why Mike never called the cops that night after witnessing a rape, and why his father and Dranov never felt the need to encourage him to do so as well.

Oh, wait - I DO remember something about "more going on here than you know" but you know what? That's REALLY NOT a good explanation why that whole clan conveniently forgot the number for 911 or even just 0.

Every time we try to get the "truth" out of that McQueary crowd we get the same old "more going on here" story. In other words - they're NOT TELLING us the true story huh? So - that would, logically, mean they're not telling the full truth.

Why do dukie and townie come on here and not say what REALLY happened? Are they just as cowardly as Mike was? C'mon - the point bears repeating - COWARD or LIAR. Pick one.

 

[psudukie]

I have yet to hear Mike under oath use the word rape or anal rape. I do understand there is a police report with Mike's signature that uses sodomy. I do not know if mine wrote it said it etc.

Would be nice if we stuck to what we know.

As for why Mike did what he did I am not Mike I can't answer that... I can't imagine that situation. I do not know how I would react. I am thankful I have not been in that situation.

As for why later we didn't speak later. Two senior administrators had assured Mike and later my father the incident was looked into or was being looked into. Tom early telling Mike of the action of banning kids with Jerry, Gary telling dad we have had other incidents and we just can't sink our teeth into anything. I am para phrasing best I can so don't tell me II made up another story. These were/are good men. I suppose we should of said screw you guys... Your full of it and done more.

The most puzzling piece of this where is the documentation of the three month period of every step they took. Detailed report of miners report. Detailed of calls made meetings had? This would clear it all up and why doesn't it exist. This would of protected everyone involved. Where is it? One more point don't tell m thing don't get documented like that. My 18 year old son just graduated high school and I can actually go thru his file and see relatively detailed accounts of meeting I had with teachers and counsellors and administrator since he was five. This is by far and away the most unusual aspect of this.

 

[NittPicker]

He also referenced Dan Wetzel's piece, the vetting process, the huge amount paid out. He did ask "what do you all want to see happen?"

He asked what we all want to see happen? That's a weird thing to ask. An inquisitive mind would see all the inconsistencies and want to learn the truth, which is the answer to his question. From a journalistic standpoint, the facts would speak for themselves and what anyone wanted would be irrelevant. His asking that question makes it obvious to me he has no interest in looking too deeply into the matter. It was almost as if he was asking, "What will have to happen to make you people to go away?" Fortunately there are many dedicated Penn Staters who are unwilling to let everything be swept under the rug.

 

[jjsocrates]

I have yet to hear Mike under oath use the word rape or anal rape. I do understand there is a police report with Mike's signature that uses sodomy. I do not know if mine wrote it said it etc.
.

It was in the damn Grand Jury report. Pretty sure the entire world read that and has based its entire opinion on Paterno's actions on the "fact" that Mike told Joe that he witnessed a rape and that Joe did nothing.

Now, if you're telling us that Mike witnessed no such thing, that would be quite a different story than the one the world believes.

But really - you're just playing semantics here. Because you won't answer the damn question.

 

[jjsocrates]

I do understand there is a police report with Mike's signature that uses sodomy. I do not know if mine wrote it said it etc.
...
The most puzzling piece of this where is the documentation of the three month period of every step they took.

When exactly was this police report taken? 2001? If such a report exists as you claim (and hey, there DOES seem to be an issue with missing documentation, but I'll guess I'll take your word on it...kinda like nobody takes Schultz's word that they called CYS) then if police WERE called and police WERE contacted, then why exactly are people accusing Paterno, Schultz and Curley of a cover-up? Why exactly are Schultz and Curley on trial for failing to report the incident?

Seems like if Mike McQueary testified that he DID make a report to the police, than really significantly changes the story. So I'm curious...where is the documentation??

 

[psudukie]

Aoshiro

I will ask again what makes me a North Carolina hillbilly or my family or towny etc.? Fairly sure my mom and dad are very well respected here in state college. Dad certainly was well educated in North Carolina. I don't have the hillbilly thing figured out. I will simply ask you to stop.

The name calling serves no purpose other then to antagonize.

 

[psudukie]

Mike didn't right the grand jury presentment. What don't you get about that? Mike has no responsibility for the presentment. I don't see how anyone can make that statement.

The police report is 2010 I believe.

 

[m.knox]

1.) They wanted the hot potato gone.
2.) They fire a coach via a post it and phone call.
3.) They shell out money without really bothering to follow up on the claims.
4.) They hired Freeh and never once really read his report. Hell Freeh didn't even talk to any of the parties he accussed.

Now's that's f'd up......... All in the name of moving on....... f'ing idiots.

 

[Aoshiro]

As for why later we didn't speak later. Two senior administrators had assured Mike and later my father the incident was looked into or was being looked into. Tom early telling Mike of the action of banning kids with Jerry, Gary telling dad we have had other incidents and we just can't sink our teeth into anything. I am para phrasing best I can so don't tell me II made up another story. These were/are good men. I suppose we should of said screw you guys... Your full of it and done more.

So just to be clear.
Mike, you, your dad, and your brother-in-law "knew" that Mike had seen Sandusky raping a child, and yet when Curley and Schultz said "there's nothing we can do about it" (or something like that), you all said, "Alrighty then" (or something like that) and kept your yaps shut for 10 years.

And you wonder why I called you a bunch of hillbillies.

 

[canuckhal]

Aoshiro,

Who is the North Carolina hillbilly and friends that you might be referring to?

As for Jay's article, I don't believe I saw jay use quote marks from Mike's testimony, he could of easily quoted directly.

I would invite everyone to go re read the testimony and tell me Mike has changed his story. I would invite you to reconsider Jay's statement as well. I don't believe jay was dishonest but it was a very open to interpretation statement that hit a point across. It was a way of representing Mike's words without being detailed or looking at other interpretations.

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

I will let the name calling commence or just re start.

Side note for Tom McA. I will look forward to saying hi in person when you can do it. Thank you.

Dukie, you always state your argument clearly and post with honor by not getting pulled into the fracas of name calling. While I have thus far come to a different interpretation, I await the full record to unfold. At that time, we will be better informed as to MM testimony, thoughts, and behaviors.

 

[psudukie]

I am sure others can confirm the police report from 2010.

 

[Aoshiro]

psudukie,

Here is my trouble or concern with Mike's testimony or I think more accurately the "characterization" of Mike's testimony in the GJP. If his words are being twisted or manipulated by PA OAG or other prosecutors then DAMN! Stand up and say it! "You are twisting my words." I am saddened that hasn't happened. At it's essence, that is one of the life lessons that Joe tried to impart on the players, Mike being one of them. Courage of character. Defend yourself and defend your friends just like Dave Evans did at Duke. I have immense respect for what he did. It took real fortitude and courage.

I agree with Wendy, Fina and his colleagues have destroyed Mike's life. Fina and his people don't give a flying flip about Mike, PSU, Joe, Tim, Gary, Graham or most importantly the children of PA.

Yes. Mike should have come clean a long time ago.
In 2001 he most certainly did not suggest to anyone that he had seen Sandusky raping a child.
But if Dukie and the rest of his family want to insist that he did, then they can go down with him.

Either a) they knew that Sandusky was a pedophile and they kept their mouths shut for a decade or b) they are lying about what Mike said to them in 2001.
Pick one.

 

[psudukie]

I don't mid a difference in opinion... We all have them about most things.

I realize ... Trust me ... That this is a heated topic. There is a way I prefer to discuss things. Sometimes people are over the top.

It is what it is.

 

[jjsocrates]

I am sure others can confirm the police report from 2010.

Mike didn't right the grand jury presentment. What don't you get about that? Mike has no responsibility for the presentment. I don't see how anyone can make that statement.

The police report is 2010 I believe.

Well done then, Mike McQueary. It takes a lot of courage to report a rape to the police 9 years after you witnessed it. Glad he finally got the courage to do something about it.

 

[Obliviax]

I have yet to hear Mike under oath use the word rape or anal rape. I do understand there is a police report with Mike's signature that uses sodomy. I do not know if mine wrote it said it etc.

Would be nice if we stuck to what we know.

As for why Mike did what he did I am not Mike I can't answer that... I can't imagine that situation. I do not know how I would react. I am thankful I have not been in that situation.

As for why later we didn't speak later. Two senior administrators had assured Mike and later my father the incident was looked into or was being looked into. Tom early telling Mike of the action of banning kids with Jerry, Gary telling dad we have had other incidents and we just can't sink our teeth into anything. I am para phrasing best I can so don't tell me II made up another story. These were/are good men. I suppose we should of said screw you guys... Your full of it and done more.

The most puzzling piece of this where is the documentation of the three month period of every step they took. Detailed report of miners report. Detailed of calls made meetings had? This would clear it all up and why doesn't it exist. This would of protected everyone involved. Where is it? One more point don't tell m thing don't get documented like that. My 18 year old son just graduated high school and I can actually go thru his file and see relatively detailed accounts of meeting I had with teachers and counsellors and administrator since he was five. This is by far and away the most unusual aspect of this.

I wonder where the documentation is as well. But that includes Mike's. If it were me, and I was making such an accusation against a powerful person, it would be backed up from here to the moon and back. Emails, notes, phone calls, promises, action items.....

 

[kentuckycb]

I have yet to hear Mike under oath use the word rape or anal rape. I do understand there is a police report with Mike's signature that uses sodomy. I do not know if mine wrote it said it etc.

Would be nice if we stuck to what we know.

As for why Mike did what he did I am not Mike I can't answer that... I can't imagine that situation. I do not know how I would react. I am thankful I have not been in that situation.

As for why later we didn't speak later. Two senior administrators had assured Mike and later my father the incident was looked into or was being looked into. Tom early telling Mike of the action of banning kids with Jerry, Gary telling dad we have had other incidents and we just can't sink our teeth into anything. I am para phrasing best I can so don't tell me II made up another story. These were/are good men. I suppose we should of said screw you guys... Your full of it and done more.

The most puzzling piece of this where is the documentation of the three month period of every step they took. Detailed report of miners report. Detailed of calls made meetings had? This would clear it all up and why doesn't it exist. This would of protected everyone involved. Where is it? One more point don't tell m thing don't get documented like that. My 18 year old son just graduated high school and I can actually go thru his file and see relatively detailed accounts of meeting I had with teachers and counsellors and administrator since he was five. This is by far and away the most unusual aspect of this.

I highly doubt your Mike's brother just due to your presence on an open message board, but I'll play along.

If you believe CSS are "good" men, why has no one in your family namely Mike and your father publicly supported them? Why haven't you stood up and said things were an unfortunate misunderstanding? Those three men and Penn State reputation have been crushed due in large part to your brother's testimony, which makes it seem like there was a curious watering down of the report.

And Mike's testimony has indeed changed many times. This latest round being much more definite as to what he told Joe, which makes Joe look worse.

Mike's actions the past 5 years are peculiar at best.

 

[psudukie]

I firmly believe Mike made a report about that night of JS and an under aged male in an inappropriate sexual molestation situation. Those are my words... My beliefs. I have not seen or heard anything to show me otherwise.

If I am a coward or we all are... Again those are opinions.. So be it. I will again state I believe Mike very strongly.

That is not the same as believing in him and standing behind him... I will always stand behind him right wrong etc he's my brother and as such it's my duty to help him, support him. I would never just blindly go along with him because he is my brother.

Well I have talked enough till next time.maybe we will learn more by then.

 

[psudukie]

Hey, I know he's in a tough spot and I know he's been used, abused and kicked to the curb by the powers that be in Harrisburg and PSU. I just wish he had stood up and been a little more courageous.

Ned I would ask you to put yourself in Mike's shoes the last five years almost six for him. Think long and hard about it obviously impossible to be Mike. I would say he has been as courageous as anyone involved outside the victims themselves. My opinion and truly two cents worth.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I highly doubt your Mike's brother just due to your presence on an open message board, but I'll play along.

If you believe CSS are "good" men, why has no one in your family namely Mike and your father publicly supported them? Why haven't you stood up and said things were an unfortunate misunderstanding? Those three men and Penn State reputation have been crushed due in large part to your brother's testimony, which makes it seem like there was a curious watering down of the report.

And Mike's testimony has indeed changed many times. This latest round being much more definite as to what he told Joe, which makes Joe look worse.

Mike's actions the past 5 years are peculiar at best.

dukie was around for a long time and it's MM's brother. Tom will tell you the same.

 

[psudukie]

One more post.

I have always stated where I am who I am way way back when, before js. I have akways said a hello in person is fine. Ray, Jimmy W, blueband, BHF have all stopped. All have been cordial. All good talks.

About post above... I used were/are for the admins for describing good men so as to not be offensive and to not come off judgemental.

 

[Aoshiro]

I firmly believe Mike made a report about that night of JS and an under aged male in an inappropriate sexual molestation situation. Those are my words... My beliefs. I have not seen or heard anything to show me otherwise.
.

Did you believe that in 2001 or did you come to believe that in 2010 or 2011?
If you believed that in 2001 it is truly unfathomable that you kept your mouth shut for a decade.
It's something that I just cannot understand.
"I know this guy molested boy, and I know that he's running a kids charity, and there's nothing I'm going to do about it."
WTF?

 

[BBrown]

It was in the damn Grand Jury report. Pretty sure the entire world read that and has based its entire opinion on Paterno's actions on the "fact" that Mike told Joe that he witnessed a rape and that Joe did nothing.

Now, if you're telling us that Mike witnessed no such thing, that would be quite a different story than the one the world believes.

But really - you're just playing semantics here. Because you won't answer the damn question.

I'm not trying to defend MM here or Dukie but wasn't that whole "witnessing anal rape" from the GJ report completely fabricated by someone else? Meaning Mike never said it, it was part of the "leaked" report?

 

[Aoshiro]

I feel for Mike.

I have no sympathy for liars.
Especially one who has cost Penn State so much.

 

[BBrown]

psudukie,

Here is my trouble or concern with Mike's testimony or I think more accurately the "characterization" of Mike's testimony in the GJP. If his words are being twisted or manipulated by PA OAG or other prosecutors then DAMN! Stand up and say it! "You are twisting my words." I am saddened that hasn't happened. At it's essence, that is one of the life lessons that Joe tried to impart on the players, Mike being one of them. Courage of character. Defend yourself and defend your friends just like Dave Evans did at Duke. I have immense respect for what he did. It took real fortitude and courage.

I agree with Wendy, Fina and his colleagues have destroyed Mike's life. Furthermore the PSU BOT have kept Mike dangling as well.

Fina, his people and the PSU BOT don't give a flying flip about Mike, PSU, Joe, Tim, Gary, Graham or most importantly the children of PA.

Well said Ned.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I'm not trying to defend MM here or Dukie but wasn't that whole "witnessing anal rape" from the GJ report completely fabricated by someone else? Meaning Mike never said it, it was part of the "leaked" report?

That is the truth as far as I know it. The presentment used the term, not MM himself. That basically sparked the outrage.

 

[BBrown]

dukie was around for a long time and it's MM's brother. Tom will tell you the same.

I will also confirm that psudukie is MM's brother. He's been around on both this site and FOS for a long, long time.

 

[Langmuir]

Aren't GJP always filled with lies and exaggerations? Isn't that why most states don't use them anymore? As I understand it everything from the GJP becomes legally moot after the indictment. The problem is that people think they are written on stone tablets but it can be nothing but lies.

 

[WeR0206]

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

Really? Even this testimony?

Page 67 of the 12/16/11 Prelim: MM said he and his dad decided right away that JoePa needed to know what happened before Dr. D even came over that night. They considered calling the police but didn't even though MM was perfectly confident he saw a serious or severe sexual act.
==============================

Wow, so according to Mike their thought process was....
MM: Hey dad, i'm pretty sure I just saw a serious or severe sexual act between JS and a boy.
JM: Oh wow, that's crazy Son. Step one, Joe Paterno needs to be told, but not right now let's wait until tomorrow morning.
MM: But Dad, shouldn't we call the Police?
JM: No, as long as the head football coach is told, all will be good.
MM: Ok sounds good. When does Dr. D get here? Let's see what he thinks we should do about a severe sexual act between a man and a child.

 

[BBrown]

Aren't GJP always filled with lies and exaggerations? Isn't that why most states don't use them anymore? As I understand it everything from the GJP becomes legally moot after the indictment. The problem is that people think they are written on stone tablets but it can be nothing but lies.

I guess that would explain the "leak" then huh?
So who's fingers were on that button? Corbett? Petze? Surma? Lubert? my guess all of them.

 

[WeR0206]

The most puzzling piece of this where is the documentation of the three month period of every step they took. Detailed report of miners report. Detailed of calls made meetings had? This would clear it all up and why doesn't it exist. This would of protected everyone involved. Where is it? One more point don't tell m thing don't get documented like that. My 18 year old son just graduated high school and I can actually go thru his file and see relatively detailed accounts of meeting I had with teachers and counsellors and administrator since he was five. This is by far and away the most unusual aspect of this.

Oh yeah? Where is Mike's documentation? Why didn't he ever submit a signed written noterized statement to PSU or a written statement to UPPD? The guy was perfectly confident he saw a serious or severe sexual act between an adult and a boy and all he did was talk to some college admins. Never once asked that the admins do more or express dissatisfaction to them when they followed up, yet somehow that failure is on the admins?? Come on now, basic logic says the fault lies with the one and only witness and TSM, who was responsible for JS and the boy.

 

[Aoshiro]

Only Mike can correctly point out that the PA OAG have been completely mischaracterizing what Mike said.

This isn't really true. Mike initially tried to walk it back when everything hit the fan when the GJP came out, but since then he has repeated testified that he is sure that he witnessed some kind of sexual act. So the OAG isn't really "mischaracterizing" what Mike's said.

It's either true that Mike told people that he saw a sexual act or it isn't.
If it's true he has no excuse for his actions that night or in the subsequent 10 years. If it's not true he has no excuse for the lies that have cost Penn State so much.

Poor, poor pitiful Mike is trying to have it both ways. He's no victim. He should have admitted his fabrications. Instead he doubled down.

 

[Aoshiro]

I don't think the shots at his family are necessary. Dukie is standing up for his brother, and I can respect that.

Look. Either a) Mike's entire family knew for a decade that Mike had seen Sandusky molesting a child and they did nothing to help the children of Centre County, or b) they know that Mike is lying about what he told people in 2001.

This is not a small thing. It's not like fudging a few hundred bucks on your income taxes. It's a whopper either way.
No sympathy.