Jay's Open Letter to Sally Jenkins

[WeR0206]

Whenever Towny and Dukie are confronted with this, their response is "But Curley and Schultz!"
They want to stick to the absurd story that Mike told his family about a sexual assault, but they disavow any responsibility to the kids of Centre County.

They also continually ignore the fact that C/S were not law enforcement officers or child welfare professionals.

If MM wanted something to actually happen in terms of an official investigation he would have to either file an offical written statement/report with UPPD or place a call to child line. He did neither and only reported it as an inappropriate hr report.

If MM wanted UPPD to come to him he could have asked schulz to send an officer to take his statement, but nope. Instead MM expresses no dissatisfaction nor said the more needed to be done when TC called him a few weeks later to follow up

 

[WeR0206]

i don't recall Harmon being involved but so much of this that I have known over the years I have lost track of. Is it true that Harmon was involved the weekend it was reported? If so, doesn't that really absolve everybody, except for him and possibly Schultz?

Harmon was treated with kid gloves by the state. When testifying harmon basically said I dont remeber anything and if he was told about 01 then he would have taken immediate action, yeah right.

There is strong circumstancal evidence harmon was told about 01 the morning of mon 2/12/01 via an email from schultz. Freeh actually mentions this email in a footnote but of course never included the body of it and only showes Harmon response. Harmon was schultz's point man in 98 so it's safe to think 2001 would have been the same.

 

[Obliviax]

They also continually ignore the fact that C/S were not law enforcement officers or child welfare professionals.

If MM wanted something to actually happen in terms of an official investigation he would have to either file an offical written statement/report with UPPD or place a call to child line. He did neither and only reported it as an inappropriate hr report.

If MM wanted UPPD to come to him he could have asked schulz to send an officer to take his statement, but nope. Instead MM expresses no dissatisfaction nor said the more needed to be done when TC called him a few weeks later to follow up

While Schultz was not a law enforcement officer, directly, he owned the resources to do a proper investigation. That appears to have not happened. Back to MM and team McQueary. in such a situation, I think (and given some time) if you really are invested in what you claim you saw, you'd be compelled to tell someone in a position of authority. You'd challenge Curley and Schultz, you'd go to the police. Why didn't that happen?

I suspect that MM was never sure what he saw, until he was told to make it sure.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Whenever Towny and Dukie are confronted with this, their response is "But Curley and Schultz!"
They want to stick to the absurd story that Mike told his family about a sexual assault, but they disavow any responsibility to the kids of Centre County.

Just following Dad McQ's lead. Remember when he made an inaudible, apparently snide, comment to Shultz after stepping down from the witness stand?

 

[towny87.1]

Well, then he had the same responsibilities as Paterno. A person told him that he saw a child being sexually abused by a former coach/employee. If true, of course. Why wasn't there more done when nothing happened?

I am not being flip here....one of three things happened to Towny:

1. he didn't do it because he thought the proper authorities were handling it
2. he was intimidated....why?
3. he didn't care...which is sick.

So if true, which is it?

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

 

[towny87.1]

Whenever Towny and Dukie are confronted with this, their response is "But Curley and Schultz!"
They want to stick to the absurd story that Mike told his family about a sexual assault, but they disavow any responsibility to the kids of Centre County.

come to town, I will be glad to buy you dinner, a box of wine a 32oz prime rib with all you can eat salad bar for you and I am sure we can find some middle ground.

 

[Aoshiro]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

You "knew" that a child molester was running a kids organization and regularly interacting with young boys and you kept your yap shut for a decade.

The only excuse for that is that you're lying about what you "knew."

Otherwise, you really just need to move elsewhere. You are a despicable human.

 

[WeR0206]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

How could "proper authorities" be handling it when MM NEVER FILED A POLICE REPORT or called Childline? C/S were COLLEGE ADMINS...Yes Schultz had some control/influence over UPPD and could have easily set up an officer to take MM's statement but Schultz couldn't force MM to make a police report if he didn't want to.

The only thing that makes everyone's action many any sense whatsoever is that MM wasn't really sure what JS and the kid were doing but it weirded him out. B/c of that he didn't feel comfortable filing a formal police report/call to Childline, etc. and choose to handle it the HR route instead of criminal route.

 

[Obliviax]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

Fair enough, bro. But this has nothing to do with Paterno, and everything to do with Schultz, IMHO. It was on him. I get pissed when I see people conflate Paterno with this "coverup". There is zero evidence of that. Plus, he followed NCAA procedures right down the line. The investigators said as much. But MM is as guilty as Schultz, IMHO. I feel for him being put in that situation, but it is what it is. We all have to make choices and live with them. I can see not reporting a fraud, a fight, even a bank getting knocked over...but I cannot see witnessing a pedo first hand, and doing next to nothing.

 

[towny87.1]

How could "proper authorities" be handling it when MM NEVER FILED A POLICE REPORT or called Childline? C/S were COLLEGE ADMINS...Yes Schultz had some control/influence over UPPD and could have easily set up an officer to take MM's statement but Schultz couldn't force MM to make a police report if he didn't want to.

The only thing that makes everyone's action many any sense whatsoever is that MM wasn't really sure what JS and the kid were doing but it weirded him out. B/c of that he didn't feel comfortable filing a formal police report/call to Childline, etc. and choose to handle it the HR route instead of criminal route.

I will admit that I was very surprised when reading the presentment etc..... that when I found out that nothing had been documented in a meeting with tim and gary. That was pretty dumb on everyone's part.

we have a always had a difference of opinion on this, I say that it was the responsibility of the head of Police and VP to cover his and university's ass with a written report, lawyers present etc... if you want to put that responsibility on the GA and witness then go for it. Mike should have done the same to cover his ass not the university's

 

[Obliviax]

I will admit that I was very surprised when reading the presentment etc..... that when I found out that nothing had been documented in a meeting with tim and gary. That was pretty dumb on everyone's part.

we have a always had a difference of opinion on this, I say that it was the responsibility of the head of Police and VP to cover his and university's ass with a written report, lawyers present etc... if you want to put that responsibility on the GA and witness then go for it. Mike should have done the same to cover his ass not the university's

Agree..the lack of documentation is hard to believe. But I have to say that MM was pretty dumb to not document it. And, his father and Dranov should have advised him to do so. If it were me, I'd have it documented and put into a safe deposit box with rights to the bank upon my death.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Agree..the lack of documentation is hard to believe. But I have to say that MM was pretty dumb to not document it. And, his father and Dranov should have advised him to do so. If it were me, I'd have it documented and put into a safe deposit box with rights to the bank upon my death.

Are you in your mid to late 20's? I can correct a ton of mistakes people made a decade later, but I wasn't walking in their shoes at the time. Tons of things he could or should have done and that isn't up for debate. The problem is he can't hit rewind.

 

[Obliviax]

Are you in your mid to late 20's? I can correct a ton of mistakes people made a decade later, but I wasn't walking in their shoes at the time. Tons of things he could or should have done and that isn't up for debate. The problem is he can't hit rewind.

Huh? Smart people document everything. This is a criminal case against a nationally known person in one of the most vile crimes that can be committed. I document every meaningful business conversation I have. I print meaningful emails out.

I am sorry, making this kind of accusation with no documentation is a bridge too far. And, to say MM was immature (if that is your point), he was being coached by his accomplished father and neighbor.

If you came to me and said you saw something, even if casually at a dinner party, I'd have the documented and dated. I find your post astounding, really.

 

[JmmyW]

Aoshiro,

Who is the North Carolina hillbilly and friends that you might be referring to?

As for Jay's article, I don't believe I saw jay use quote marks from Mike's testimony, he could of easily quoted directly.

I would invite everyone to go re read the testimony and tell me Mike has changed his story. I would invite you to reconsider Jay's statement as well. I don't believe jay was dishonest but it was a very open to interpretation statement that hit a point across. It was a way of representing Mike's words without being detailed or looking at other interpretations.

I stand behind Mikes testimony. I think he has been direct and honest.

I will let the name calling commence or just re start.

Side note for Tom McA. I will look forward to saying hi in person when you can do it. Thank you.

I agree that it's open to interpretation. Context and words are key.
Mike was asked if he talked with a "wide group of people", he said no
Mike also said he's had conversations about the incident, but didn't discuss "details" even with his closest friends.

Relevant testimony is at pages 212-215 of the 6/12/2012 transcript:
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/sandusky_061212_ JT.pdf

Q. Okay. Did you discuss what you had
seen the defendant do with this little boy with
anybody else that you recall, a wide group of
people or any particular --

A. Wide group of people? No. My family
over time came to know what I had witnessed,
but -- again, I'm saying over time. Over
years, especially as this investigation started
and as I began to get questioned.

...

Can I remember every single conversation I've
ever had in regard to the incident? No. And
that's the truth. But I did not have a
detailed conversation probably, to be frank
with you, now that I'm thinking, probably my
girlfriend at the time -- I would have trusted
her with something like this -- but not --
again, not in detail with people, even my
closest friends, guy friends, in the building.
I would not have discussed details about this,
not at all.

 

[Bob78]

I will admit that I was very surprised when reading the presentment etc..... that when I found out that nothing had been documented in a meeting with tim and gary. That was pretty dumb on everyone's part.

we have a always had a difference of opinion on this, I say that it was the responsibility of the head of Police and VP to cover his and university's ass with a written report, lawyers present etc... if you want to put that responsibility on the GA and witness then go for it. Mike should have done the same to cover his ass not the university's

Towny, was Harmon informed within hours / a couple of days beyond being asked the Sandusky file from '98? I am inferring from your past info given (posted today by another poster), that Harmon was fully in the loop. Is that inference correct? Your note seems to be the only place I have seen that Harmon was informed beyond being asked for the file. Thanks in advance, Towny.
Regardless, as many others have stated, to think that Gary's request for the file did not spur Harmon to follow-up and ask more questions beyond that request is to suggest that he did not do his duties as Police Chief. It makes it sound like Harmon is a key culprit here.... and if it follows his actions of re-labeling '98 as admin vs. criminal for his friend Jerry, that is even more damaging for him.
Between Harmon and TSM, JVP and PSU have taken on a lot of misdirected crap.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Huh? Smart people document everything. This is a criminal case against a nationally known person in one of the most vile crimes that can be committed. I document every meaningful business conversation I have. I print meaningful emails out.

I am sorry, making this kind of accusation with no documentation is a bridge too far. And, to say MM was immature (if that is your point), he was being coached by his accomplished father and neighbor.

If you came to me and said you saw something, even if casually at a dinner party, I'd have the documented and dated. I find your post astounding, really.

Exactly, either MM was a grown man or he wasn't .

Most people are going to say he was the former.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I agree that it's open to interpretation. Context and words are key.
Mike was asked if he talked with a "wide group of people", he said no
Mike also said he's had conversations about the incident, but didn't discuss "details" even with his closest friends.

Relevant testimony is at pages 212-215 of the 6/12/2012 transcript:
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/sandusky_061212_ JT.pdf

Q. Okay. Did you discuss what you had
seen the defendant do with this little boy with
anybody else that you recall, a wide group of
people or any particular --

A. Wide group of people? No. My family
over time came to know what I had witnessed,
but -- again, I'm saying over time. Over
years, especially as this investigation started
and as I began to get questioned.

...

Can I remember every single conversation I've
ever had in regard to the incident? No. And
that's the truth. But I did not have a
detailed conversation probably, to be frank
with you, now that I'm thinking, probably my
girlfriend at the time -- I would have trusted
her with something like this -- but not --
again, not in detail with people, even my
closest friends, guy friends, in the building.
I would not have discussed details about this,
not at all.

Nicely done.

I never can figure out why MM sends us his proxies to present us with misinformation and disinformation. I confess that I just do not get that part of it. Doesn't seem a very bright thing to do, and I seriously doubt that a slab of prime rib (not offered in my case) would change my mind on that.

 

[jjsocrates]

They also continually ignore the fact that C/S were not law enforcement officers or child welfare professionals.

If MM wanted something to actually happen in terms of an official investigation he would have to either file an offical written statement/report with UPPD or place a call to child line. He did neither and only reported it as an inappropriate hr report.

Yep! And if you witness a crime - a violent felony, you don't just "report" it to your supervisors. Unless of course, that is the policy of the organization you work for - BUT you also assume that part of that process is that the police would be contacted.

So IF McQueary witnessed a violent felony and told Paterno, et al exactly that - he would have EXPECTED that a report would be placed to the University Park police. So Mike would have absolutely be in contact with a member of the UP police force. He would have HAD to expect that right? So WHY - if he NEVER spoke to a police officer - did he not raise a stink right there? Right THEN, not NINE YEARS LATER like townie/dukie would have you believe.

I find it inconceivable to think that Mike sat around for nine years wondering when exactly the UP police department would contact him to take his statement and not ONCE wonder about whether he should have been more proactive about it.

Nope - never passed the smell test...still doesn't.

Either Mike McQueary WAS contacted by University Park police - in which case, the ENTIRE mess falls on Harmon. OR McQueary didn't actually witness a violent felony occur. OR there is a third possibility - wherein Paterno/Curley/Schultz never DID tell the police department, and Mike McQueary and his entire family is possibly WAY TOO DUMB to figure out that maybe they should be more proactive.

Again - WAY TOO MANY LIES out of the McQueary clan here. Here's a thought, guys - if you're all gonna go out on social media and message boards - PICK ONE STORY AND STICK TO IT. It's a lot easier to maintain your credibility if you have ONE STORY that doesn't change every other day and which actually makes sense and doesn't make you all look like cowards or idiots.

 

[WeR0206]

I will admit that I was very surprised when reading the presentment etc..... that when I found out that nothing had been documented in a meeting with tim and gary. That was pretty dumb on everyone's part.

we have a always had a difference of opinion on this, I say that it was the responsibility of the head of Police and VP to cover his and university's ass with a written report, lawyers present etc... if you want to put that responsibility on the GA and witness then go for it. Mike should have done the same to cover his ass not the university's

Agreed. I'm sure in retrospect all parties wish they had done things differently but to me the ultimate responsibility lies on the one and only witness. It was up to him to express dissatisfaction if he wasn't happy with how the admins handled his report and he never did. Everyone was taking their cues from him. He was the quarterback, so to speak.

I can't reconcile MM's testimony that he was pretty sure JS was raping a kid with the fact he NEVER filed a police report of any kind or expressed dissatisfaction or said that MORE needed to be done when he was followed up with....not until 10 years later did he file a written statement to LE.

We do know that Schultz was an avid note taker and we don't know for sure if he did or didn't take any notes during his meeting with MM and TC. All we know is the prosecution's side of things. I wouldn't be shocked if there were notes that they found in his "secret file" re: his meeting with MM.

 

[JmmyW]

psudukie,

Here is my trouble or concern with Mike's testimony or I think more accurately the "characterization" of Mike's testimony in the GJP. If his words are being twisted or manipulated by PA OAG or other prosecutors then DAMN! Stand up and say it! "You are twisting my words." I am saddened that hasn't happened. At it's essence, that is one of the life lessons that Joe tried to impart on the players, Mike being one of them. Courage of character. Defend yourself and defend your friends just like Dave Evans did at Duke. I have immense respect for what he did. It took real fortitude and courage.

I agree with Wendy, Fina and his colleagues have destroyed Mike's life. Furthermore the PSU BOT have kept Mike dangling as well.

Fina, his people and the PSU BOT don't give a flying flip about Mike, PSU, Joe, Tim, Gary, Graham or most importantly the children of PA.

Two separate statements from McQueary were used to craft the GJP. There was a reference in a 2014 Don Van Natta article to an early email that McQueary sent to prosecutors/investigators objecting to the characterization in the GJP. Public statements by his father in the same time frame indicate McQueary was given an "assignment" - I suspect to stay quiet and not discuss it publicly. And really, the only public statements from McQueary since then have been his various testimonies in the 2011 preliminary hearing (in which he largely refuted the characterization in the GJP), the 2012 Sandusky trial, the 2013 preliminary hearing, and portions of his 2015 deposition in PSU vs. PMA that were made public this week.






----- 11/9/2011 - John McQueary says Mike wants to tell his side
An Aspiring Coach in the Middle of a Scandal - The New York Times, 11/9/2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/s...ring-coach-in-middle-of-colleges-scandal.html

“It’s not that he’s not willing,” John J. McQueary, his father, said about his son’s public silence. “I think it’s eating him up not to be able to tell his side, but he’s under investigation by the grand jury. He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.”


----- 11/10/2011 - Mike McQueary sends private email to authorities that GJP description of what he saw not accurate
Don Van Natta article, 3/4/2014
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tant-said-was-sexual-abuse-victim-sources-say

When the presentment was made public on Nov. 4, 2011, McQueary was reported as seeing Sandusky engaged in "anal intercourse" with a 10-year-old boy in the shower. But in subsequent testimony, McQueary acknowledged he never clearly saw anal intercourse and only assumed it had occurred based on several quick glances and the sounds he heard.

What McQueary saw and reported in 2001 to Paterno and Penn State's leaders compared to his five statements, delivered in varying terms under oath from 2010 to 2013, will be critical parts of the criminal trial of Spanier, Curley and Schultz.

A previously undisclosed email sent by McQueary to authorities demonstrates he had thought the prosecutors' description in the presentment of what he had seen -- and what he reported to Paterno -- was not accurate.

"I cannot say 1,000 percent sure that it was sodomy," McQueary wrote in the email sent to a prosecutor and investigator on Nov. 10, 2011. "I did not see insertion. ... It was sexual and/or way over the line in my opinion, whatever it was."

However, a year earlier, McQueary wrote in a written statement that he was "certain that sexual acts/the young boy being sodomized was occurring."

----- 11/15/2011 - John McQueary says Mike can't respond publicly with his side of the story
In the Penn State child sexual abuse scandal, there are no easy answers for assistant Mike McQueary, 11/15/2011
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...there-no-easy-answers-assistant-mike-mcqueary

There is nothing I would like more than to tell you about all the great things my son has done," John McQueary said by phone. "There is truly another side to Mike than what's out there. But at this point he doesn't have the advantage of trying to respond. That's our assignment. We'll do it and get through this. And at some point when things loosen up we will be able to say more and people will gain a better understanding."

 

[artsandletters]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

The football program had nothing to do with it. The football program was an innocent bystander as was Joe And GSS. The criminals are in HBG and on the BoT.

Have you checked out Jimmy W's post above? Does that sound like what you were told on that Saturday morning in Feb. 2001?

 

[jjsocrates]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

So then - a member of the University Park police department came to Mike McQueary and took his statement? Is that what you are saying? Because if nobody from the police department ever contacted Mike, you're all a bunch of IDIOTS and you were all PART of the conspiracy of silence. If somebody from the police department DID contact Mike, you're all a bunch of LIARS and COWARDS.

You guys really don't understand that EITHER way you all look bad. But keep digging that hole.

 

[jjsocrates]

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

Jerry retired two years earlier and was no longer a part of the football program. No need to blow it up.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Huh? Smart people document everything. This is a criminal case against a nationally known person in one of the most vile crimes that can be committed. I document every meaningful business conversation I have. I print meaningful emails out.

I am sorry, making this kind of accusation with no documentation is a bridge too far. And, to say MM was immature (if that is your point), he was being coached by his accomplished father and neighbor.

If you came to me and said you saw something, even if casually at a dinner party, I'd have the documented and dated. I find your post astounding, really.

LOL, Do you mean to come off as an arrogant douche or does it come natural? Hi five for your documentation skills and smarts. I love your post to be honest. You're so smart, you know why I feel that way.

 

[towny87.1]

Towny, was Harmon informed within hours / a couple of days beyond being asked the Sandusky file from '98? I am inferring from your past info given (posted today by another poster), that Harmon was fully in the loop. Is that inference correct? Your note seems to be the only place I have seen that Harmon was informed beyond being asked for the file. Thanks in advance, Towny.
Regardless, as many others have stated, to think that Gary's request for the file did not spur Harmon to follow-up and ask more questions beyond that request is to suggest that he did not do his duties as Police Chief. It makes it sound like Harmon is a key culprit here.... and if it follows his actions of re-labeling '98 as admin vs. criminal for his friend Jerry, that is even more damaging for him.
Between Harmon and TSM, JVP and PSU have taken on a lot of misdirected crap.

I wasn't ignoring you..... I get side tracked with that dingbat aoshiro when she is always yapping in my hear.

My opinion is that if Gary were forthright with investigators the blame would have focused more on PSU police and himself than football.

I agree with you 100% that harmon is one of the keys to all of this yet I am not sure why no one wants to tell the truth about him. Even the OAG is dancing around harmon at the same time so have admins.

 

[elvis63]

come to town, I will be glad to buy you dinner, a box of wine a 32oz prime rib with all you can eat salad bar for you and I am sure we can find some middle ground.

I'll take you up on that offer and listen. Can it be a steak, side, and whiskey?

 

[towny87.1]

Jerry retired two years earlier and was no longer a part of the football program. No need to blow it up.

that is complete nonsense..... yea because jerry being retired for 10 years earlier went just fine.

the 98 incident would have probably come up,

the schiano and bradley incidents would have probably been dug up (lol)

 

[jjsocrates]

I agree with you 100% that harmon is one of the keys to all of this yet I am not sure why no one wants to tell the truth about him. Even the OAG is dancing around harmon at the same time so have admins.

Um - you DO realize that "no one" includes YOU???

If Mike McQueary TALKED to University Police in 2001, then that certainly is a story that NEEDS to be told.

Please - stick to one story.

 

[towny87.1]

I'll take you up on that offer and listen. Can it be a steak, side, and whiskey?

OMG - when I first started reading your post I thought she was the one replying...... I thought I had a real date with a crazy chic on a message board......

 

[jjsocrates]

that is complete nonsense..... yea because jerry being retired for 10 years earlier went just fine.

the 98 incident would have probably come up,

the schiano and bradley incidents would have probably been dug up (lol)

It was the media that blew up Penn State football. Mostly because there was a lot of nonsense out there and people like you refused to stand up and get your version (whichever version) of events out there.

If Mike talked to Harmon, this would have had nothing to do with football.

The 98 incident probably DID come up - if the POLICE were investigating.

 

[BBrown]

Just following Dad McQ's lead. Remember when he made an inaudible, apparently snide, comment to Shultz after stepping down from the witness stand?

No. Any idea what it was?

 

[WeR0206]

I find it inconceivable to think that Mike sat around for nine years wondering when exactly the UP police department would contact him to take his statement and not ONCE wonder about whether he should have been more proactive about it.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

MM says that he viewed Schultz as the police. Ok, fair enough. If so, then why didn't he or his dad ever ask Schultz when he was going to send/why he never did send someone from UPPD to take his statement.

Surely MM, JM, towny, et. al. all reallized that at some point MM would have to speak to a UPPD officer and, you know, file a police report. But that never happened and all of them seemed to be perfectly fine with that.....even though MM was perfectly confident that a severe sexual act had taken place.....doesn't add up.

 

[towny87.1]

It was the media that blew up Penn State football. Mostly because there was a lot of nonsense out there and people like you refused to stand up and get your version (whichever version) of events out there.

If Mike talked to Harmon, this would have had nothing to do with football.

The 98 incident probably DID come up - if the POLICE were investigating.

no one that I know of has ever said, inferred that mike spoke with harmon and certainly not me. try again......

 

[jubaaltman]

What I wouldn't give to see TSM's account activities....savings, checking, investment, credit cards and payroll. Then map that back to annual CPA audits and IRS tax returns. If you think about it, shouldn't that documentation still exist on computer servers somewhere? It has to.

I would LOVE to be on the team running that audit.

If I had to guess, I would say that it there are a whole "mélange" of issues.

A lot of that info is on deadspin.

 

[BBrown]

I thought proper authorities were handling it. There was zero reason to believe that Mr. McQ, Dr. Dranov, Joe, Tim, and Gary weren't handling it correctly.

I would also say that if someone went around them that the exact opposite could have happened if a public and media shit storm pressured PSU while it was being handled.

I am just not sure how Investigating Jerry without blowing up the football program at the same time doesn't seem reasonable.

the hindsight heroes make it sound like no one has ever been investigated for a crime committed without any charges being brought.

But isn't that what most people wanted Paterno to do?
And Jerry was already gone from the team for 2+ years. It would have had even less to do with the football program then than it should have in '11.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

No. Any idea what it was?

I don't think anybody ever found out. Only Shultz and Dad McQ, maybe their attys, and maybe their confidantes would know.

 

[BBrown]

come to town, I will be glad to buy you dinner, a box of wine a 32oz prime rib with all you can eat salad bar for you and I am sure we can find some middle ground.

What? "A box of wine"?
I am so done with you now, philistine.

 

[jjsocrates]

no one that I know of has ever said, inferred that mike spoke with harmon and certainly not me. try again......

Then can you please just pick ONE lie, er, story - and try to be consistent about it.

Most people here think you're all a bunch of cowards or liars, and every time you post something you're just making the case for one of those or the others. Perhaps if you all just decided to all tell the truth and set the record straight for ONCE...

 

[jjsocrates]

Whatever those issues are at TSM it has cost PSU over a $100 mil. Let that sink in for a few moments.

Hey, if its a question of money laundering...seems like transferring $100 million via a bunch of shady, non-transparent "settlements" would be a good strategy.

 

[jubaaltman]

Whatever those issues are at TSM it has cost PSU, students & Pa taxpayers over a $100 mil. Let that sink in for a few moments.

There was a personal liability clause in TSM by-laws holding individuals responsible, hence the BoT by protecting TSM they were protecting themselves, family and friends.