Jay's Open Letter to Sally Jenkins

[artsandletters]

I firmly believe Mike made a report about that night of JS and an under aged male in an inappropriate sexual molestation situation. Those are my words... My beliefs. I have not seen or heard anything to show me otherwise.

If I am a coward or we all are... Again those are opinions.. So be it. I will again state I believe Mike very strongly.

That is not the same as believing in him and standing behind him... I will always stand behind him right wrong etc he's my brother and as such it's my duty to help him, support him. I would never just blindly go along with him because he is my brother.

Well I have talked enough till next time.maybe we will learn more by then.

A reflection in a mirror in two to three seconds? For this the Paterno family has been ruined. PSU has been taken down. And the bunch of you gossiped about it in a chat room, a bloody sniveling sissy assed chat room, nine years later. What? No reruns of Let's Make a Deal on? And who catches on in this godforsaken chat room? No less than howardstern, renowned Joe hater and co-founder of Laschout.com

'Sexual molestation' -- your words. What were Mike's words that Friday night in Feb. 2011?

 

[WeR0206]

This isn't really true. Mike initially tried to walk it back when everything hit the fan when the GJP came out, but since then he has repeated testified that he is sure that he witnessed some kind of sexual act. So the OAG isn't really "mischaracterizing" what Mike's said.

It's either true that Mike told people that he saw a sexual act or it isn't.
If it's true he has no excuse for his actions that night or in the subsequent 10 years. If it's not true he has no excuse for the lies that have cost Penn State so much.

Poor, poor pitiful Mike is trying to have it both ways. He's no victim. He should have admitted his fabrications. Instead he doubled down.

This ^^^^^^.

The OAG definitely took some liberties with MM's testimony but they based the "witnessing anal rape" in the GJP on MM's 2010 written statement to OAG which said the was "certain sodomy was occurring".

Also in his GJ testimony (see page 20) MM says "I'm pretty sure he was sodomizing him, relatively sure" and 12/16/11 prelim testimony MM says that based on the sounds he heard and positioning he saw he didn't see insertion but "It was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on".

I just don't know how to reconcile that testimony with MM, JM, Dr. D, towny, and Dukie all hearing that MM was pretty sure JS was sodomizing a kid and all it took for them to forget about it was some college admins telling them there was nothing they could do and it apparently never dawned on them that college admins have no control over JS' access to kids and if they wanted a criminal investigation started MM would need to file a written statement/report with UPPD (or MM could have placed an anonymous call to ChildLine-an option Dranov would certainly have been aware of). None of them made a big stink about it to anyone for 10 YEARS......riiiiiiiight.

 

[marshall23]

What I would give to hear the conversations between MM and PSP Investigators. Remember the tapes at the Sandusky Trial? Certainly Fina and his Posse played fast and loose with the law. They thought they were real gunslingers. When TC and GS didn't fall in line behind Mike they got indicted. When assistant coaches insisted they didn't witness abuse, Fina damn near indicted them a well. Frightening to think about the kind of individuals who passed/ pass as "the law" in Pennsylvania. LE/OAG put the NKVD to shame.

 

[Aoshiro]

What I would give to hear the conversations between MM and PSP Investigators. Remember the tapes at the Sandusky Trial? Certainly Fina and his Posse played fast and loose with the law. They thought they were real gunslingers. When TC and GS didn't fall in line behind Mike they got indicted. When assistant coaches insisted they didn't witness abuse, Fina damn near indicted them a well. Frightening to think about the kind of individuals who passed/ pass as "the law" in Pennsylvania. LE/OAG put the NKVD to shame.

I have no doubt that Frank Fina leaned pretty heavily on Mike and coerced him.
But it is long past time for Mike to come clean.

 

[simons96]

What I would give to hear the conversations between MM and PSP Investigators. Remember the tapes at the Sandusky Trial? Certainly Fina and his Posse played fast and loose with the law. They thought they were real gunslingers. When TC and GS didn't fall in line behind Mike they got indicted. When assistant coaches insisted they didn't witness abuse, Fina damn near indicted them a well. Frightening to think about the kind of individuals who passed/ pass as "the law" in Pennsylvania. LE/OAG put the NKVD to shame.

and then the University hired the Freeh team to lean on them some more

 

[pandaczar12]

Mike didn't right the grand jury presentment.

I think you mean that Mike didn't "write" the presentment. It's not my goal to be the "grammar police", so please stay with me.

Changing "write" to "right" significantly changes the meaning, and ironically it is how many people feel... The presentment is wrong, and Mike hasn't done anything to "right" that wrong.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I think a point being made pretty clearly here is one that I have beaten the drum about for many nears now. If you have a reasonable suspicion to believe that a child is at risk of being harmed or has been harmed it is your duty to make a call to CPS. Calling the football coach, the family friend doctor, and then accepting when you continue to have knowledge that the guy is still working with kids doesn't cut it. Plain and simple. And that applies to Mike, his family, Joe, Raykovitz, you, me, etc...... Anybody that had reason to believe something harmful was happening in that shower. I just believe that Mike never made that explicitly clear to anybody at the time or for many years later.
Dukie I have been reading you thoughts on this for over four years now. I get and can respect that you support your brother. But what I see you almost tiptoeing around at this point is that you are also to blame for this not having gone further than it did for ten years. So when I see you defend your brother I also see saying that it is not your fault. I see you trying to find a way that Mike did the right thing and your family did the right thing and all the administrators did the right thing. If Mike really was clear about it when it happened then you screwed up as badly as everybody else with knowledge. It really is that simple.

 

[CDLionFL]

(If I'm wrong on this, my brain deleted the file from 5 years ago and like PSU's admin, I didn't feel like Googling it so please correct me) Wasn't Sandusky found not guilty on the one charge that stemmed from what McQueary supposedly saw in the shower? If so, that should tell us just how reliable McQueary really is.

The bottom line is that if McQueary saw what he saw and he didn't sucker punch Sandusky or tackle him then the LEAST he should have done that night was tell Sandusky his life was over because the cops were on the way. Passing the buck is a giant cop-out. At age 26 and a member of a coaching staff (which means SOMEONE respects your maturity), you should have had the smarts to do the right thing. And the right thing wasn't to go crying to daddy.

At what point does somebody...ANYBODY involved in the legal world start examining the roles of people in The Second Mile or on the BOT or in the Governor's Mansion? All the media cares about is this being a football problem involving an icon of the game. Any media entity that gets word of something happening with this case immediately passes it off to their sports people. So the Dave Joneses and the Sally Jenkinses and the Christine Brennans of the 'journalistic' world aren't going to dig into this at all. With Corbett out of office and not really in the political spectrum, exposing his misdeeds and/or coverup in this plot isn't as juicy as it might have been before he got booted in the election. The longer that the wrong people are targeted, the easier it will be for those people to hide behind their lawyers or take their evil secrets to their graves.

 

[MoonOverMyHammy]

Or the UVA "rape" case...which turns out to have been fully invented and assumed to be true by the media.

But those cases involved females. Males who are claiming sexual abuse are automatically believed, which is why obvious liars are getting away with it. Maybe someone in the media might start asking why a coach was raping a kid in a shower in front of multiple witnesses at a state sponsored camp where coaches and players didn't shower together, but I doubt. Some of the cases are straight up implausible but people believe those lies anyway.

 

[jjsocrates]

Look. Either a) Mike's entire family knew for a decade that Mike had seen Sandusky molesting a child and they did nothing to help the children of Centre County, or b) they know that Mike is lying about what he told people in 2001.

This is not a small thing. It's not like fudging a few hundred bucks on your income taxes. It's a whopper either way.
No sympathy.

I don't care if it gets me banned or whatever...

The McQuearys, Mike, his Dad, Dranov, dukie, townie - they are ALL COWARDS.

1) You're cowards if you KNEW what occurred in 2001 and it was what the GJP said it was and you all did NOTHING for 10 years. You all sat around knowing that a kid got raped.
or
2) You're cowards knowing that the GJP was a flat out lie and NONE of your stood up to set the record straight. You all let the reputations of good men get ruined because you all don't have the balls to stand up and call Frank Fina out on his lies.

You're either lying THEN or you're lying NOW - but EITHER WAY you're all a bunch of COWARDS because you don't have the courage to speak up and tell the truth. No - you'd rather hide behind "there is more going on here" nonsense on a message board.

MAN UP AND TELL THE TRUTH.

Set the GODDAMNED RECORD STRAIGHT for once.

 

[PSU65]

Yeah, you are missing something and I apologize but I can't tell if you are being coy or just uninformed?

The OGBOT HAD to submit the claims to the PMA. They publicly announced it 4 years ago. They also knew that PMA would probably reject the claims. Not submitting the claims when they had publicly announced that they would, would only raise suspicions among those who are paying attention.

OK. Thanks.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/an-open-letter-to-sally-jenkins,1468464/

Jay is one of the most inspiring and uplifting writers around. He always nails it

 

[jason21psu]

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the various "court related" documents that have been released? I used "court related" because I'd include everything like the Freeh Report and the GJP but don't want to include every article written. I would also include first person interviews from the major players. One of the things I think we all struggle with is the memory of who said what when. I've read plenty of "this person said this under oath" comments but then no link is provided and it's not clear what to Google?

 

[WeR0206]

Interesting...

JS Trial Testimony of Dranov re: what MM told him that night (link-start at bottom of page 8)

Q: Did he describe any particular sex act?
A: No, he did not. He IMPLIED it had gone on with what he talked about with sexual sounds. But did he give me any kind of graphic description? No.

 

[kentuckycb]

dukie was around for a long time and it's MM's brother. Tom will tell you the same.

Well fair enough, then I have 2 things to say...

1) It's incredibly foolish for any McQueary family member to be posting anything on a message board given the legal course Mike has chosen to take;

and

2) I'M POSITIVELY OUTRAGED THAT ANY MCQUEARY FAMILY MEMBER WOULD CHOOSE TO POST SUCH THINGS ON A MESSAGE BOARD INSTEAD OF GETTING IN FRONT OF ANY MEDIA OUTLET WILLING TO LISTEN AND DEFENDING EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN UNJUSTLY AFFECTED BY THIS TRAGEDY. IF YOU CAN DO THAT HERE, THEN YOU CAN DO IT OUT THERE.

 

[BBrown]

Well fair enough, then I have 2 things to say...

1) It's incredibly foolish for any McQueary family member to be posting anything on a message board given the legal course Mike has chosen to take;

and

2) I'M POSITIVELY OUTRAGED THAT ANY MCQUEARY FAMILY MEMBER WOULD CHOOSE TO POST SUCH THINGS ON A MESSAGE BOARD INSTEAD OF GETTING IN FRONT OF ANY MEDIA OUTLET WILLING TO LISTEN AND DEFENDING EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN UNJUSTLY AFFECTED BY THIS TRAGEDY. IF YOU CAN DO THAT HERE, THEN YOU CAN DO IT OUT THERE.

and I have 2 as well.

1.) I can't believe the restraint psudukie has shown, its nothing short of amazing.
2.) and I would have thought the McQueary family would have learned their lesson about
posting on message boards.

 

[80lion]

Amazing letter Jay. Keep up the great work.

 

[Mufasa94]

Regarding towny’s past descriptions of what/when he knew things, I do not believe it would be out of line to post copied text of past posts of his. My apologies if it is. The following came from I believe the other PSU site:

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

You are probably correct the word rape or sodomy would not have been used when talking to John Sr. or Dranov

the morning after the 2001 incident actually while MM was over at Joe's house I was told that MM saw Jerry and a boy in the shower - the boy had his hands up on the wall and JS was standing behind him molesting the boy. If ever called to the stand (i haven't been) that is exactly what I would say under oath because it is the plain and simple truth.

You may not like what they decided to do with that info (and I know all the crazy self righteous ladies will chime in) but downplaying what was understood the first night to try and down play what tim and gary could have been told just isn't correct.

Calling the police was discussed but they decided to get joe involved first - again it doesn't matter if anyone likes that or the reason for it - it is just what happened

Joe's testimony and MM's testimony line up pretty close but since the admins and the head of police didn't administrate and file a report or take a statement it is difficult one way or the other to know exactly what was said to the admins -

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

I have stated that on here many times starting a long time ago - I have said many times that I knew the day after that JS was molesting the boy - that is fact - just ask the crazy ladies - they have jumped in with plenty to say each time -

I never mentioned Dr. Dranov in my post - It is hilarious to watch what gets extrapolated out of a single post

who said anything about the police not needing to be called - it was decided to tell joe first not that the police should never be involved

Schultz was the head of police - That has been used thousands of times to defend joe - later to find out Harmon was also involved that weekend - So whatever Joe passed on to curley got the head of police, the corporate counsel, the chief of police all involved that weekend.

Also I thought that Tom King was told that weekend but I later found out that didn't happen -

Curley shouldn't be caught up in this at all in my opinion once schultz and harmon were involved. I believe that curley shouldn't have had anything to do with this other than passing off to schultz - People have posted that it may have been illeagal for curley to even know about 98 yet he is the one who comes up with the plan on how to handle 01. That is crazy to me.

On 11/11/15, towney wrote:

I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"

Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.

 

[wensilver]

Regarding towny’s past descriptions of what/when he knew things, I do not believe it would be out of line to post copied text of past posts of his. My apologies if it is. The following came from I believe the other PSU site:

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

You are probably correct the word rape or sodomy would not have been used when talking to John Sr. or Dranov

the morning after the 2001 incident actually while MM was over at Joe's house I was told that MM saw Jerry and a boy in the shower - the boy had his hands up on the wall and JS was standing behind him molesting the boy. If ever called to the stand (i haven't been) that is exactly what I would say under oath because it is the plain and simple truth.

You may not like what they decided to do with that info (and I know all the crazy self righteous ladies will chime in) but downplaying what was understood the first night to try and down play what tim and gary could have been told just isn't correct.

Calling the police was discussed but they decided to get joe involved first - again it doesn't matter if anyone likes that or the reason for it - it is just what happened

Joe's testimony and MM's testimony line up pretty close but since the admins and the head of police didn't administrate and file a report or take a statement it is difficult one way or the other to know exactly what was said to the admins -

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

I have stated that on here many times starting a long time ago - I have said many times that I knew the day after that JS was molesting the boy - that is fact - just ask the crazy ladies - they have jumped in with plenty to say each time -

I never mentioned Dr. Dranov in my post - It is hilarious to watch what gets extrapolated out of a single post

who said anything about the police not needing to be called - it was decided to tell joe first not that the police should never be involved

Schultz was the head of police - That has been used thousands of times to defend joe - later to find out Harmon was also involved that weekend - So whatever Joe passed on to curley got the head of police, the corporate counsel, the chief of police all involved that weekend.

Also I thought that Tom King was told that weekend but I later found out that didn't happen -

Curley shouldn't be caught up in this at all in my opinion once schultz and harmon were involved. I believe that curley shouldn't have had anything to do with this other than passing off to schultz - People have posted that it may have been illeagal for curley to even know about 98 yet he is the one who comes up with the plan on how to handle 01. That is crazy to me.

On 11/11/15, towney wrote:

I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"

Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.

I am of the understanding the Dr. Dranov made the offer to escort Mike TO the police on this matter - which is one step further than placing a phone call.

Either way, the decision was made to pass the hot potato.

So here we are - arguing over an incident that in the end, the Jury found "Not Guilty" on. Frank Fina did not need Mike to effectively investigate, charge & prosecute Jerry. Frank Fina failed to investigate the Second Mile. Frank Fina destroyed Mike's life. Frank Fina has allowed Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his equally mandated-to-report wife Katherine Genovese to skate free.

Which brings us full circle back to the Office of Attorney General torching Penn State over a singular lie of "anal rape in a shower" and letting the very entity that already had complaints escalated to them slide.

Which makes me wonder, what prevented Dr. Dranov from simply making a professional call to Dr. Jack Raykovitz himself - just giving the CEO of a well known local kids charity a heads up that an incident happened with their Executive Director on the property of the very entity that this charity has a parasitic relationship to.

What prevented McQueary Sr from placing a professional call to Dr. Jack Raykovitz?

What is it about the Second Mile that everyone is so f*cking afraid of?

 

[jubaaltman]

I am of the understanding the Dr. Dranov made the offer to escort Mike TO the police on this matter - which is one step further than placing a phone call.

Either way, the decision was made to pass the hot potato.

So here we are - arguing over an incident that in the end, the Jury found "Not Guilty" on. Frank Fina did not need Mike to effectively investigate, charge & prosecute Jerry. Frank Fina failed to investigate the Second Mile. Frank Fina destroyed Mike's life. Frank Fina has allowed Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his equally mandated-to-report wife Katherine Genovese to skate free.

Which brings us full circle back to the Office of Attorney General torching Penn State over a singular lie of "anal rape in a shower" and letting the very entity that already had complaints escalated to them slide.

Which makes me wonder, what prevented Dr. Dranov from simply making a professional call to Dr. Jack Raykovitz himself - just giving the CEO of a well known local kids charity a heads up that an incident happened with their Executive Director on the property of the very entity that this charity has a parasitic relationship to.

What prevented McQueary Sr from placing a professional call to Dr. Jack Raykovitz?

What is it about the Second Mile that everyone is so f*cking afraid of?

Money laundering and other crimes.

 

[Obliviax]

Regarding towny’s past descriptions of what/when he knew things, I do not believe it would be out of line to post copied text of past posts of his. My apologies if it is. The following came from I believe the other PSU site:

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

You are probably correct the word rape or sodomy would not have been used when talking to John Sr. or Dranov

the morning after the 2001 incident actually while MM was over at Joe's house I was told that MM saw Jerry and a boy in the shower - the boy had his hands up on the wall and JS was standing behind him molesting the boy. If ever called to the stand (i haven't been) that is exactly what I would say under oath because it is the plain and simple truth.

You may not like what they decided to do with that info (and I know all the crazy self righteous ladies will chime in) but downplaying what was understood the first night to try and down play what tim and gary could have been told just isn't correct.

Calling the police was discussed but they decided to get joe involved first - again it doesn't matter if anyone likes that or the reason for it - it is just what happened

Joe's testimony and MM's testimony line up pretty close but since the admins and the head of police didn't administrate and file a report or take a statement it is difficult one way or the other to know exactly what was said to the admins -

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

I have stated that on here many times starting a long time ago - I have said many times that I knew the day after that JS was molesting the boy - that is fact - just ask the crazy ladies - they have jumped in with plenty to say each time -

I never mentioned Dr. Dranov in my post - It is hilarious to watch what gets extrapolated out of a single post

who said anything about the police not needing to be called - it was decided to tell joe first not that the police should never be involved

Schultz was the head of police - That has been used thousands of times to defend joe - later to find out Harmon was also involved that weekend - So whatever Joe passed on to curley got the head of police, the corporate counsel, the chief of police all involved that weekend.

Also I thought that Tom King was told that weekend but I later found out that didn't happen -

Curley shouldn't be caught up in this at all in my opinion once schultz and harmon were involved. I believe that curley shouldn't have had anything to do with this other than passing off to schultz - People have posted that it may have been illeagal for curley to even know about 98 yet he is the one who comes up with the plan on how to handle 01. That is crazy to me.

On 11/11/15, towney wrote:

I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"

Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.

Thanks...very helpful.

So, assuming Towney is correct, Joe did exactly as he should have...knowing that curley, schultz and harmon were on it.

If true, there can only be one of three conclusions:

1. these three guys conspired to "take care" of Sandusky out of friendship
2. these three guys didn't feel the testimony was actionable (MM saw it in the mirror, didn't see but only 'heard'). So gave warnings.
3. They passed it along to other authorities who dropped the ball

At the end of the day, assuming Towney's info is correct, Joe (again) did exactly as he should have. In fact, followed up with MM. So Joe is less responsible than MM, for sure.

To me, it all comes down on Schultz and Harmon. Didn't Harmon just testify that he was told in 2011? Yet, in 2013, he testified he didn't know of 2001.

 

[lionville]

Regarding towny’s past descriptions of what/when he knew things, I do not believe it would be out of line to post copied text of past posts of his. My apologies if it is. The following came from I believe the other PSU site:

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

You are probably correct the word rape or sodomy would not have been used when talking to John Sr. or Dranov

the morning after the 2001 incident actually while MM was over at Joe's house I was told that MM saw Jerry and a boy in the shower - the boy had his hands up on the wall and JS was standing behind him molesting the boy. If ever called to the stand (i haven't been) that is exactly what I would say under oath because it is the plain and simple truth.

You may not like what they decided to do with that info (and I know all the crazy self righteous ladies will chime in) but downplaying what was understood the first night to try and down play what tim and gary could have been told just isn't correct.

Calling the police was discussed but they decided to get joe involved first - again it doesn't matter if anyone likes that or the reason for it - it is just what happened

Joe's testimony and MM's testimony line up pretty close but since the admins and the head of police didn't administrate and file a report or take a statement it is difficult one way or the other to know exactly what was said to the admins -

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

I have stated that on here many times starting a long time ago - I have said many times that I knew the day after that JS was molesting the boy - that is fact - just ask the crazy ladies - they have jumped in with plenty to say each time -

I never mentioned Dr. Dranov in my post - It is hilarious to watch what gets extrapolated out of a single post

who said anything about the police not needing to be called - it was decided to tell joe first not that the police should never be involved

Schultz was the head of police - That has been used thousands of times to defend joe - later to find out Harmon was also involved that weekend - So whatever Joe passed on to curley got the head of police, the corporate counsel, the chief of police all involved that weekend.

Also I thought that Tom King was told that weekend but I later found out that didn't happen -

Curley shouldn't be caught up in this at all in my opinion once schultz and harmon were involved. I believe that curley shouldn't have had anything to do with this other than passing off to schultz - People have posted that it may have been illeagal for curley to even know about 98 yet he is the one who comes up with the plan on how to handle 01. That is crazy to me.

On 11/11/15, towney wrote:

I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"

Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.

So MM saw the boy, a 10-12 year-old, with his hands on the wall and JS, who stood well over 6 feet tall, behind him. MM did not see penetration as he has testified, but is certain that JS was molesting the boy.
If JS was rubbing his hands all over the back of the boy would one conclude that that person is molesting someone? If there was a bar of soap in that person's hand would that be considered molesting? If one didn't see the soap in the hand would one draw the conclusion that the person was being molested?

Is it safe to say that MM CONCLUDED JS was molesting the boy based on the position of the two and the slapping sounds? Is it possible that MM could have drawn the wrong conclusion? I'm not defending JS in the least but if this whole thing is based on MM's brain processing a brief image............is it possible MM drew the wrong conclusion? Is it possible that the people to whom MM talked asked questions and drew a different CONCLUSION from MM?

 

[jjsocrates]

Money laundering and other crimes.

So basically - the mafia is involved is that it?

You throw out money laundering, gambling debts built up betting on football games and pedophiles - seems to me one organization would just handle all of that for you in a one-stop shopping.

Would also explain why some COWARDS are sitting on the truth.

 

[Obliviax]

So MM saw the boy, a 10-12 year-old, with his hands on the wall and JS, who stood well over 6 feet tall, behind him. MM did not see penetration as he has testified, but is certain that JS was molesting the boy.
If JS was rubbing his hands all over the back of the boy would one conclude that that person is molesting someone? If there was a bar of soap in that person's hand would that be considered molesting? If one didn't see the soap in the hand would one draw the conclusion that the person was being molested?

Is it safe to say that MM CONCLUDED JS was molesting the boy based on the position of the two and the slapping sounds? Is it possible that MM could have drawn the wrong conclusion? I'm not defending JS in the least but if this whole thing is based on MM's brain processing a brief image............is it possible MM drew the wrong conclusion? Is it possible that the people to whom MM talked asked questions and drew a different CONCLUSION from MM?

Not to mention, if this is the clear testimony of MM and Townie knew it the day before, why didn't Townie call the police when he saw no action being taken? And, whatever Townie's excuse, wouldn't that be a similar excuse as Joe paterno?

 

[Aoshiro]

Thanks...very helpful.

So, assuming Towney is correct,

That is not an assumption that I would make.

 

[PSUMATT85]

That is not an assumption that I would make.

I didn't see Sally's response yet?

LOL

 

[Bob78]

Regarding towny’s past descriptions of what/when he knew things, I do not believe it would be out of line to post copied text of past posts of his. My apologies if it is. The following came from I believe the other PSU site:

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

You are probably correct the word rape or sodomy would not have been used when talking to John Sr. or Dranov

the morning after the 2001 incident actually while MM was over at Joe's house I was told that MM saw Jerry and a boy in the shower - the boy had his hands up on the wall and JS was standing behind him molesting the boy. If ever called to the stand (i haven't been) that is exactly what I would say under oath because it is the plain and simple truth.

You may not like what they decided to do with that info (and I know all the crazy self righteous ladies will chime in) but downplaying what was understood the first night to try and down play what tim and gary could have been told just isn't correct.

Calling the police was discussed but they decided to get joe involved first - again it doesn't matter if anyone likes that or the reason for it - it is just what happened

Joe's testimony and MM's testimony line up pretty close but since the admins and the head of police didn't administrate and file a report or take a statement it is difficult one way or the other to know exactly what was said to the admins -

On 03/17/15, towney wrote:

I have stated that on here many times starting a long time ago - I have said many times that I knew the day after that JS was molesting the boy - that is fact - just ask the crazy ladies - they have jumped in with plenty to say each time -

I never mentioned Dr. Dranov in my post - It is hilarious to watch what gets extrapolated out of a single post

who said anything about the police not needing to be called - it was decided to tell joe first not that the police should never be involved

Schultz was the head of police - That has been used thousands of times to defend joe - later to find out Harmon was also involved that weekend - So whatever Joe passed on to curley got the head of police, the corporate counsel, the chief of police all involved that weekend.

Also I thought that Tom King was told that weekend but I later found out that didn't happen -

Curley shouldn't be caught up in this at all in my opinion once schultz and harmon were involved. I believe that curley shouldn't have had anything to do with this other than passing off to schultz - People have posted that it may have been illeagal for curley to even know about 98 yet he is the one who comes up with the plan on how to handle 01. That is crazy to me.

On 11/11/15, towney wrote:

I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"

Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.

Thank you for posting this. I know that people have stated a number of times that Harmon was involved early on, but I never recalled seeing that (I figured I had forgotten reading it.)
So IF given that Harmon was involved that very first weekend, we know that the entire saga should never have gone down this path. All that needed to be stated in early Nov. 2011 was that the PSU Chief of Police had been notified within hours of JVP being told, and that is basically all the exculpatory evidence that was needed to take JVP's name out of the center ring of this circus from hell.
Why hasn't that been trumpeted loud and clear from day one?!
What am I missing that the Harmon angle has not been stated over and over ad nauseum? Is it not true? Did something happen to take Harmon out of the investigation? Did he investigate and turn it back to Gary? Some important pieces are missing (to me) based on Towny's statements. Police involved early on? End of story for JVP and the others.... maybe hell to pay for Harmon, but perhaps deservedly so?

 

[Talpsu]

Mike didn't right the grand jury presentment. What don't you get about that? Mike has no responsibility for the presentment. I don't see how anyone can make that statement.

The police report is 2010 I believe.

It would have went a LONG way if mike had came out immediately and clarified that from the get go especially since it stated he saw JS anally raping a boy and then told Joe. Coming out and simply stating "That is not what I said to the GJ" Especially when the shit storm started. But once again he remained silent and decided to let the University and everyone associated burn

 

[psuro]

It would have went a LONG way if mike had came out immediately and clarified that from the get go especially since it stated he saw JS anally raping a boy and then told Joe. Coming out and simply stating "That is not what I said to the GJ" Especially when the shit storm started. But once again he remained silent and decided to let the University and everyone associated burn

And he did it to protect himself due to his own vices, which were exposed (pun) and known about.

 

[towny87.1]

Not to mention, if this is the clear testimony of MM and Townie knew it the day before, why didn't Townie call the police when he saw no action being taken? And, whatever Townie's excuse, wouldn't that be a similar excuse as Joe paterno?

not sure what you are talking about "knew it the day before"

 

[Bob78]

not sure what you are talking about "knew it the day before"

Towny.... Harmon knew within hours of Mike telling JVP? Can you confirm that? Thanks.

 

[Obliviax]

not sure what you are talking about "knew it the day before"

Somebody said that you posted that you knew of the MM 2001 incident the day Joe found out about it. Is that correct? If you knew about it that early, and knew that nothing had been done despite MM clearly stating he saw sexual abuse, why didn't you do more? If you knew about it anytime between 2001 and 2009, why didn't you do more? And, isn't that the same standard being used to vilify Joe Paterno?

My apologies if the prior poster's information was incorrect.

 

[canuckhal]

I can understand that the night of the incident MM was confused as to what he saw and didn't know how to react. What I don't understand, if he believed he witnessed a sexual assault, is how he could participate in Second Mile Charity events (re: golf) and be okay with the actions CSS took. I would be very concerned that JS would be abusing others as nothing happened to him and he was still accessing children through the TSM. At the very least, I believe I would have followed up with the police/child welfare as to why JS was still heading up the TSM and inquire why I was not contacted as part of an investigation. Aside from speaking with his father and Dranov, and then notifying Joe, it appears that MM didn't show any interest or concern, and didn't appear to do anything to prevent JS potentially abusing others. That is why it is hard to believe him. His actions and the testimony of others indicate that he didn't think it was that big of a deal.

 

[artsandletters]

Somebody said that you posted that you knew of the MM 2001 incident the day Joe found out about it. Is that correct? If you knew about it that early, and knew that nothing had been done despite MM clearly stating he saw sexual abuse, why didn't you do more? If you knew about it anytime between 2001 and 2009, why didn't you do more? And, isn't that the same standard being used to vilify Joe Paterno?

My apologies if the prior poster's information was incorrect.

Towny was being told about it by John McQ at about the same time that Mike was telling Joe -- early Sat. morning.

 

[Obliviax]

Towny was being told about it by John McQ at about the same time that Mike was telling Joe -- early Sat. morning.

Well, then he had the same responsibilities as Paterno. A person told him that he saw a child being sexually abused by a former coach/employee. If true, of course. Why wasn't there more done when nothing happened?

I am not being flip here....one of three things happened to Towny:

1. he didn't do it because he thought the proper authorities were handling it
2. he was intimidated....why?
3. he didn't care...which is sick.

So if true, which is it?

 

[artsandletters]

Well, then he had the same responsibilities as Paterno. A person told him that he saw a child being sexually abused by a former coach/employee. If true, of course. Why wasn't there more done when nothing happened?

I am not being flip here....one of two things happened to Towny:

1. he didn't do it because he thought the proper authorities were handling it
2. he was intimidated....why?
3. he didn't care...which is sick.

So if true, which is it?

Except that it came from John McQ, Mike's dad, not straight from Mike. But yes. Mike, John McQ, Dranov, Dukie (I assume), Towny and whomever else Mike or the others told. The difference being that it happened at PSU. JS was able to use PSU because of the BoT's decision to give him Emeritus status. I know you know these things but it helps to flesh it out. Mike was a student working on a masters, right, and helped with the FB coaches. Did he really work for Joe? Should Joe even have been involved? Who does a grad asst actually report to? Only asking cause I don't know.

 

[Obliviax]

Except that it came from John McQ, Mike's dad, not straight from Mike. But yes. Mike, John McQ, Dranov, Dukie (I assume), Towny and whomever else Mike or the others told. The difference being that it happened at PSU. JS was able to use PSU because of the BoT's decision to give him Emeritus status. I know you know these things but it helps to flesh it out. Mike was a student working on a masters, right, and helped with the FB coaches. Did he really work for Joe? Should Joe even have been involved? Who does a grad asst actually report to? Only asking cause I don't know.

Got it...but that is a hair split. Neither witnessed it but only were told of it. My point is that if you have knowledge of someone claiming to witness such things, don't you have a responsibility to report it? Joe did. He got vilified for it. If others knew, and kept their mouths shut, I have nothing but contempt for them.

 

[jubaaltman]

Of course the PL idiots Shuttlesworth and Jacobs chimed in with some other morons in the comments.

 

[Aoshiro]

Got it...but that is a hair split. Neither witnessed it but only were told of it. My point is that if you have knowledge of someone claiming to witness such things, don't you have a responsibility to report it? Joe did. He got vilified for it. If others knew, and kept their mouths shut, I have nothing but contempt for them.

Whenever Towny and Dukie are confronted with this, their response is "But Curley and Schultz!"
They want to stick to the absurd story that Mike told his family about a sexual assault, but they disavow any responsibility to the kids of Centre County.

 

[Connorpozlee]

i don't recall Harmon being involved but so much of this that I have known over the years I have lost track of. Is it true that Harmon was involved the weekend it was reported? If so, doesn't that really absolve everybody, except for him and possibly Schultz?