Jerry Sandusky Writes Interesting Letter Mocking the Most Recent Allegations Against Him

[LaJolla Lion]

Do you also ask yourself why do men cheat when they already have a wife or girlfriend.

You are brilliant! A guy plays co-ed softball and has women (fun and fit) throwing themselves at him, yet he takes the time to put on a beauty pageant (a minimum of 20 hours a week) to groom more beautiful options. Is this what you are suggesting? What you are implying is that he did not have A wife or girlfriend, he had several, but wanted even more. This goes back to the one "victim" who said Jerry would pick him up after practice and they spent a few hours together. Can you imagine Joe saying, "see ya" to Jerry after practice. Get real!

BTW, most of you are proving my point. You are convinced Jerry is a MONSTER, so you are all assuming the worse. I thought the same thing, but then I assumed he was innocent and I can see that the facts are not there to convict him. I will admit that Jerry may have had sex with someone, all I am asking for is proof. There is proof Jerry went beyond boundaries. There is proof one boy's mother felt her son's head and found out Jerry showered with her son. There is the statement that Matt said many people walked in on Jerry's performance, but left unsure what was going on. Where are those eyewitnesses today? How come no parent saw soiled underwear? You all condemn Jerry now because that is your opinion, why didn't the professionals at DPW, CYS, and 2nd Mile spot this? Jerry got convicted, because the judge and the jury assumed Jerry was a MONSTER. No one can say that Jerry was given a fair trial, but again you are assuming where there is smoke there is fire. How would any of you like to be rotting in jail for rape, because you played on a coed softball team and several of the coeds said you had sex with them and they sued the bar and sponsor and were paid $3 mil? If I was on that team, you raped me too and prove that you didn't.

Sadly you ignore all victims testimony and somehow think this will bring Joe's legacy back in some warped way. Notice the Paterno's aren't beating the free Jerry drum. They accept that JS is a monster and use it to educate people about monsters like Jerry.

 

[mbahses]

Sometimes you do have pearls of wisdom and then sometimes you follow up a post that ripped you(by psuguy4) and literally confirm what he ripped you for.

He ripped nothing. Except wind maybe. Guy's a troll. Thanks for the like.

 

[Lattner]

He may have done it to "carry on his father's work," whatever that was, but he also used TSM as a means to groom kids for abuse--kids who had nobody to speak up for them, kids who had been in trouble, and who would not be believed if they made accusations against him. Alycia Chambers pointed out that his conduct was grooming behavior in 1998, but she was overruled by a person without the credentials for the job, John Seasock.

It is part of the enduring shame of the original poster that he has attacked those very same victims for several years now, using the very things Jerry selected them for--their lack of credibility, their propensity to make poor choices, their low self-esteem. And it is part of the enduring shame of some posters on this board that they have gone along with it--carrying Jerry's water even as Jerry rots in jail where he belongs, viciously attacking victims on the basis of little to no evidence whatsoever. If they were troubled kids before Jerry sexually abused them, what are the chances that they would become admirable pillars of the community after Jerry sexually abused them? So then when they come forward, it becomes okay to argue they are scum?

My understanding is that JS mostly hit on pubescent boys, and no matter how many kids he adopted, he would never have enough boys at the right age no matter what he did or did not do with his adopted kids. Peds like Jerry often have ENORMOUS numbers of victims.

The fact that Alycia was overruled is amazing.
She actually understands the situation.
Strange.

 

[psuguy04]

psugoof04 wrote:

It always turns into the same couple of people saying the same things, and all if it is quite disturbing. BWI can't be happy, as a business, to be known as the home of pedophile sympathizers and lunatics.

I rest my case.

How many usernames are you up to this week, pnnylion?

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

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I rest my case.

I don't honestly even know what your case is anymore unless your case has a heavyass load of paranoia and a bunch of other personalities in it. I love the cause but people like you are embarrassing, 100% true.

 

[mbahses]

I don't honestly even know what your case is anymore unless your case has a heavyass load of paranoia and a bunch of other personalities in it. I love the cause but people like you are embarrassing, 100% true.

No embarrassment, fact.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Alrighty then, keep moving toward the wall. Even the Paterno's would be freaked out by your behavior. Most sane people.

 

[mbahses]

Alrighty then, keep moving toward the wall. Even the Paterno's would be freaked out by your behavior. Most sane people.

Explain why? Because I called a troll out who presumes this is a lunatic and pedophile protection den? I swear it's Devon, it's his style.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Explain why? Because I called a troll out who presumes this is a lunatic and pedophile protection den? I swear it's Devon, it's his style.

Well you might be right(I really don't know) but psuguy has used reasoning and you also have quite the platform and resume of usernames. Whatever. I just don't think going ape shit on people on message boards does anything except maybe make a random person on Pitt's message board use your rant as an "example" of what we are. That's the embarrassing part. I get your passion though.

 

[mbahses]

Well you might be right(I really don't know) but psuguy has used reasoning and you also have quite the platform and resume of usernames. Whatever. I just don't think going ape shit on people on message boards does anything except maybe make a random person on Pitt's message board use your rant as an "example" of what we are. That's the embarrassing part. I get your passion though.

They don't need me or anyone else as "an example". They're quite capable of concocting total nonsense and falsehoods on their own.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Do you also ask yourself why do men cheat when they already have a wife or girlfriend.

You are brilliant! A guy plays co-ed softball and has women (fun and fit) throwing themselves at him, yet he takes the time to put on a beauty pageant (a minimum of 20 hours a week) to groom more beautiful options. Is this what you are suggesting? What you are implying is that he did not have A wife or girlfriend, he had several, but wanted even more. This goes back to the one "victim" who said Jerry would pick him up after practice and they spent a few hours together. Can you imagine Joe saying, "see ya" to Jerry after practice. Get real!

BTW, most of you are proving my point. You are convinced Jerry is a MONSTER, so you are all assuming the worse. I thought the same thing, but then I assumed he was innocent and I can see that the facts are not there to convict him. I will admit that Jerry may have had sex with someone, all I am asking for is proof. There is proof Jerry went beyond boundaries. There is proof one boy's mother felt her son's head and found out Jerry showered with her son. There is the statement that Matt said many people walked in on Jerry's performance, but left unsure what was going on. Where are those eyewitnesses today? How come no parent saw soiled underwear? You all condemn Jerry now because that is your opinion, why didn't the professionals at DPW, CYS, and 2nd Mile spot this? Jerry got convicted, because the judge and the jury assumed Jerry was a MONSTER. No one can say that Jerry was given a fair trial, but again you are assuming where there is smoke there is fire. How would any of you like to be rotting in jail for rape, because you played on a coed softball team and several of the coeds said you had sex with them and they sued the bar and sponsor and were paid $3 mil? If I was on that team, you raped me too and prove that you didn't.

Let me put it this way. The fact that he did not molest all his children and foster children is not proof he did not molest anyone as you are trying to imply. There were victims were lining up way before Penn State opened the check book. I can see the skepticism of later claims. The lengths that some people are going to try and justify Penn State is just sickening.

 

[mbahses]

Let me put it this way. The fact that he did not molest all his children and foster children is not proof he did not molest anyone as you are trying to imply. There were victims were lining up way before Penn State opened the check book. I can see the skepticism of later claims. The lengths that some people are going to try and justify Penn State is just sickening.

When did all this "lining up" begin, since they all virtually came forth at the 11th hour?

 

[nits74]

Let me put it this way. The fact that he did not molest all his children and foster children is not proof he did not molest anyone as you are trying to imply. There were victims were lining up way before Penn State opened the check book. I can see the skepticism of later claims. The lengths that some people are going to try and justify Penn State is just sickening.

The two should be mutually exclusive. You do the same in your zeal to pin this on C,S,S and Paterno. So, you're no better.

 

[simons96]

wasn't Dietrich Bonhoeffer killed by the Nazis?

(dammit, Godwin!)

 

[wbcincy]

Do you also ask yourself why do men cheat when they already have a wife or girlfriend.

You are brilliant! A guy plays co-ed softball and has women (fun and fit) throwing themselves at him, yet he takes the time to put on a beauty pageant (a minimum of 20 hours a week) to groom more beautiful options. Is this what you are suggesting? What you are implying is that he did not have A wife or girlfriend, he had several, but wanted even more. This goes back to the one "victim" who said Jerry would pick him up after practice and they spent a few hours together. Can you imagine Joe saying, "see ya" to Jerry after practice. Get real!

BTW, most of you are proving my point. You are convinced Jerry is a MONSTER, so you are all assuming the worse. I thought the same thing, but then I assumed he was innocent and I can see that the facts are not there to convict him. I will admit that Jerry may have had sex with someone, all I am asking for is proof. There is proof Jerry went beyond boundaries. There is proof one boy's mother felt her son's head and found out Jerry showered with her son. There is the statement that Matt said many people walked in on Jerry's performance, but left unsure what was going on. Where are those eyewitnesses today? How come no parent saw soiled underwear? You all condemn Jerry now because that is your opinion, why didn't the professionals at DPW, CYS, and 2nd Mile spot this? Jerry got convicted, because the judge and the jury assumed Jerry was a MONSTER. No one can say that Jerry was given a fair trial, but again you are assuming where there is smoke there is fire. How would any of you like to be rotting in jail for rape, because you played on a coed softball team and several of the coeds said you had sex with them and they sued the bar and sponsor and were paid $3 mil? If I was on that team, you raped me too and prove that you didn't.

The BTK killer lived with a normal family for decades. Why, as a serial killer, didn't he kill the potential victims right in his home?? Plenty of pedophiles are regarded as model citizens in their own homes and communities. I'm lost as to why you don't realize how a person would/could view his family differently than others. Unless you sexualize your immediate family the same way you may a woman at the bar, I would think this would be plainly obvious.

Also know that your standard of proof for convicting a pedophile is basically a pedophile's utopia. Basically, victim's word means nothing. Thank God those who built our judicial system aren't so simple-minded.

 

[PSU_Nut]

The two should be mutually exclusive. You do the same in your zeal to pin this on C,S,S and Paterno. So, you're no better.

I have never blamed them or said what they did was illegal. I simply think they should have done more. I don't think they conspired to cover up. I just simply think they were poor leaders who failed in their duty to protect the university. I believe they were all rightfully removed from the university. I hold them to a higher standard then well perhaps they did the right thing legally. For a university who screams success with honor from the roof tops you expect a little more then ummm yeah I think we reported. I think it so hypocritical because if it happened at Ohio State you all would be calling for Meyer to be fired.. You wouldn't buy that Urban didn't know what pedophilia was. You would have expected more out of their leadership.

 

[Chris92]

I have never blamed them or said what they did was illegal. I simply think they should have done more. I don't think they conspired to cover up. I just simply think they were poor leaders who failed in their duty to protect the university. I believe they were all rightfully removed from the university. I hold them to a higher standard then well perhaps they did the right thing legally. For a university who screams success with honor from the roof tops you expect a little more then ummm yeah I think we reported. I think it so hypocritical because if it happened at Ohio State you all would be calling for Meyer to be fired.. You wouldn't buy that Urban didn't know what pedophilia was. You would have expected more out of their leadership.

Maybe you should add, "with what I know today." I think there's much more to this story to be revealed at a date TBD.

 

[toddbrewster]

Who blows raspberries on the stomach of a 15 year old?

Ray, I am sorry I overlooked your reply from yesterday. As you probably have figured out by now, I look at the whole picture instead of each step. And after reading tons and tons of this, I have concluded that Jerry did not have sex with anybody and Jerry needs a new trial. Having a new trial will get out the truth (which we both want) and I think completely absolve PSU, Joe and C/S/S of any crimes. I have written that Jerry went beyond boundaries. I would love to see how this action you cite is played out and fleshed out by lawyers and ruled on by an OBJECTIVE jury. I do not have a problem with a jury giving Jerry jail time for inappropriate behavior, if this is not explained. Since Aaron was a HS wrestler, IMO this seems more like a homosexual pattern than a pedophile one and why this needs to be fleshed out. Yes, 15 years ago, I could snap Jerry in two, but would I if they were both laughing and horse playing?


Either way I would not be happy with Jerry over this incident, but it does not mean Aaron is legitimate. He is a proven storyteller and they say his friends from HS don’t believe him. Ray, you probably know Aaron’s background better than I, so I am very surprised you think he is legitimate.

 

[toddbrewster]

Also know that your standard of proof for convicting a pedophile is basically a pedophile's utopia.

I understand your point and I have read that a pedophile case has to have Blood or DNA evidence, an eyewitness or a confession. This trial had none, unless you count hearsay. Hearsay is hardly ever admitted in a misdemeanor case and this was admitted for a felony where there is NO victim and NO date it happened. To me, this is a big reason why I conclude the Judge and Jury were bias. BTW, it recently was revealed that the janitor gave testimony saying the man he saw was NOT Jerry. This alone screams for a new trial! Yes, I understand that the victims seemed credible, but please convince me that the jury did not preconceive Jerry to be a monster or that they would be known as pedophile enablers if Jerry walked. I also find it serendipitous that two men who were going to testify for Jerry changed their mind after talking with Shubin and then miraculously got $3 mil apiece. Counter that please!

 

[Lattner]

Just a few days ago, a report was released about Dauphin County CYS's failures to protect children from abuse and neglect in the Tutko case. In that case, one caseworker went to the home and concluded intervention was needed. What did CYS do? Sent another caseworker out to conclude differently.

Gee, doesn't that sound just like what happened in the 1998 case? CYS had a report from a PhD psychologist (though they deny it) that said Sandusky was exhibiting the traits of a pedophile. They got a second opinion from an unlicensed counselor, who contradicted the psychologist -- and used that instead.

Were you not aware this happened?

Next, you speak to the credibility of the victims. In high profile cases, there will be a few charlatans who show up. Aaron Fisher isn't one of them because JERRY confirmed his report of child abuse. Read the transcripts. Of course, Jerry denied doing anything sexual with Aaron, as would any molester, but consider the manner of his denial. When asked did your hands go below Aaron's waist, Jerry responded: "I can't honestly say whether they did or didn't." Even so, JERRY admitted to being in bed with Fisher, having Fisher lay on top of him, and to blowing raspberries on his stomach.

Who blows raspberries on the stomach of a 15 year old? I'll tell you who, someone who is performing oral sex on a child and needs to have some kind of story of plausible deniability.

Let me ask you a question Todd. If you walked into your child's bedroom and saw a man crouched between your child's legs with his head in close proximity to the child's genitals, what would you think was happening?
And if the perp said he was just blowing "raspberries" on your child's stomach, would you believe it?

I get it, though. You are giving Jerry the benefit of the doubt. He was just a strange duck with boundary issues.

Well, here's the thing. In a court of law, a judge will instruct a jury to convict if the evidence is conclusive beyond a reasonable doubt. Some judges will go as far as to explain the difference between reasonable doubt and capricious doubt.

The jury ruled correctly. All doubt in this case is capricious.

There are 100 Tutkos in Philly every week.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Also know that your standard of proof for convicting a pedophile is basically a pedophile's utopia.

I understand your point and I have read that a pedophile case has to have Blood or DNA evidence, an eyewitness or a confession. This trial had none, unless you count hearsay. Hearsay is hardly ever admitted in a misdemeanor case and this was admitted for a felony where there is NO victim and NO date it happened. To me, this is a big reason why I conclude the Judge and Jury were bias. BTW, it recently was revealed that the janitor gave testimony saying the man he saw was NOT Jerry. This alone screams for a new trial! Yes, I understand that the victims seemed credible, but please convince me that the jury did not preconceive Jerry to be a monster or that they would be known as pedophile enablers if Jerry walked. I also find it serendipitous that two men who were going to testify for Jerry changed their mind after talking with Shubin and then miraculously got $3 mil apiece. Counter that please!

Todd,

At least you are honest and say it is about Joe and football. You'll disregard all the victims testimony to make it right in your own head. Thankfully you have no say and Jerry won't harm another child. It's scary how far some will go for sports crushes and somewhat disturbing at times.

 

[psuguy04]

This isn't the original Todd Brewster.

This guy, toddbrewster, is a troll who takes the name of one of the sickest, most disgusting people on the board. Look at the number of posts and "Joined" date.

The real Todd, while all lowercase, has a space between first and last name.

 

[mbahses]

This isn't the original Todd Brewster.

This guy, toddbrewster, is a troll who takes the name of one of the sickest, most disgusting people on the board. Look at the number of posts and "Joined" date.

The real Todd, while all lowercase, has a space between first and last name.

Check out a mirror.

 

[Westcoast24]

Check out a mirror.

You of all people would say check out a mirror. That's funny.

 

[mbahses]

You of all people would say check out a mirror. That's funny.

Take a gaze as well, Michigan subway fan.

 

[Westcoast24]

Take a gaze as well, Michigan subway fan.

When you take a gaze do you see pnnylion or Ed or any of your other names you keep having to come up with? Just wondered.

 

[mbahses]

When you take a gaze do you see pnnylion or Ed or any of your other names you keep having to come up with? Just wondered.

Unlike you, I don't need or have to gaze, Rumplestiltskin.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

This isn't the original Todd Brewster.

This guy, toddbrewster, is a troll who takes the name of one of the sickest, most disgusting people on the board. Look at the number of posts and "Joined" date.

The real Todd, while all lowercase, has a space between first and last name.

My bad. Better then pnny who has to change handles as he is a perma troll.

 

[mbahses]

My bad. Better tan pnny who has to change handles as he is a perms troll.

PUI?

 

[wbcincy]

Also know that your standard of proof for convicting a pedophile is basically a pedophile's utopia.

I understand your point and I have read that a pedophile case has to have Blood or DNA evidence, an eyewitness or a confession. This trial had none, unless you count hearsay. Hearsay is hardly ever admitted in a misdemeanor case and this was admitted for a felony where there is NO victim and NO date it happened. To me, this is a big reason why I conclude the Judge and Jury were bias. BTW, it recently was revealed that the janitor gave testimony saying the man he saw was NOT Jerry. This alone screams for a new trial! Yes, I understand that the victims seemed credible, but please convince me that the jury did not preconceive Jerry to be a monster or that they would be known as pedophile enablers if Jerry walked. I also find it serendipitous that two men who were going to testify for Jerry changed their mind after talking with Shubin and then miraculously got $3 mil apiece. Counter that please!

Your grasp of what the standard of proof is in a pedophile case, along with when and how hearsay is allowable, is completely nonexistent. I mean you genuinely don't have the slightest clue based on what you said above.

Hearsay has exceptions where it's permissible, and they apply regardless of the level of crime. There is no different standard for when it's allowed or isn't between misdemeanor and felony cases.

As for the burden of proof in a pedophile case, there is nothing requiring DNA, an eyewitness or a confession. That's just false. Victim testimony alone can be sufficient. It's up to the trier of fact to determine veracity and whether that evidence goes beyond a reasonable doubt.

So just stop, you clearly don't understand anything about the law, so how can you possibly know when a new trial is warranted?

 

[psuguy04]

Your grasp of what the standard of proof is in a pedophile case, along with when and how hearsay is allowable, is completely nonexistent. I mean you genuinely don't have the slightest clue based on what you said above.

Hearsay has exceptions where it's permissible, and they apply regardless of the level of crime. There is no different standard for when it's allowed or isn't between misdemeanor and felony cases.

As for the burden of proof in a pedophile case, there is nothing requiring DNA, an eyewitness or a confession. That's just false. Victim testimony alone can be sufficient. It's up to the trier of fact to determine veracity and whether that evidence goes beyond a reasonable doubt.

So just stop, you clearly don't understand anything about the law, so how can you possibly know when a new trial is warranted?

wbcincy,

The guy above is a troll--it's not the real todd brewster.

Although in the style of the original, it's not the same--it's more over the top. It's probably another pnnylion name.

 

[mbahses]

wbcincy,

The guy above is a troll--it's not the real todd brewster.

Although in the style of the original, it's not the same--it's more over the top. It's probably another pnnylion name.

 

[PrinceIgor]

Your grasp of what the standard of proof is in a pedophile case, along with when and how hearsay is allowable, is completely nonexistent. I mean you genuinely don't have the slightest clue based on what you said above.

Hearsay has exceptions where it's permissible, and they apply regardless of the level of crime. There is no different standard for when it's allowed or isn't between misdemeanor and felony cases.

As for the burden of proof in a pedophile case, there is nothing requiring DNA, an eyewitness or a confession. That's just false. Victim testimony alone can be sufficient. It's up to the trier of fact to determine veracity and whether that evidence goes beyond a reasonable doubt.

So just stop, you clearly don't understand anything about the law, so how can you possibly know when a new trial is warranted?

AGP. This guy is a monolithic liar. He says, "I have read that a pedophile case has to have Blood or DNA evidence, an eyewitness or a confession." He's never read any such thing. If he thinks he has, he's a complete moron. If any of the above mentioned criteria were necessary to prove pedophilia, "Guilty" verdicts would be non-existent.

 

[getmyjive11]

The same sick bastards coming to Jerry's defense in every thread. They are an absolute embarrassment to mankind.

 

[PrinceIgor]

The same sick bastards coming to Jerry's defense in every thread. They are an absolute embarrassment to mankind.

Exactly. This is a free board. People from everywhere peruse this stuff and come away with the impression that everything that was said about an aberrant "culture" at PSU was spot on.

I just wish these "Free Jerry" idiots could comprehend how much damage they do.

Who are these "pnnylion/mbahses" characters? Same person?

 

[mbahses]

Exactly. This is a free board. People from everywhere peruse this stuff and come away with the impression that everything that was said about an aberrant "culture" at PSU was spot on.

I just wish these "Free Jerry" idiots could comprehend how much damage they do.

Who are these "pnnylion/mbahses" characters? Same person?

 

[psuguy04]

Yes, pnnylion/mbahses are the same person. I have a feeling that he's the fake toddbrewster in this thread. There are several other usernames attributed to this person. For some reason, Tom allows him to continue to post despite banning other names.

There are few people on this board who actually believe that Jerry is innocent. I also have no idea why Zieglar is allowed to post this garbage here, because the thread always ends up like this. If Tom/BWI want this space to be known as the looney bin, that's a strange business decision. It's one thing to have rational discourse about the issues surrounding the trial......but the things posted by the real Todd Brewster and a few other people here are just absurd.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Perhaps it was because Jerry did not know them when they were 11, 12 , 13, 14....and because JS knew that most of them were kids who had a large support group around them, or even a small one which was very devoted to their success. Really I cannot believe that you are still this in the dark about this. "...highest quality and highest caliber of personalities in college football." Do you truly still not see the problem in your logic? For the most part these were not kids Jerry could control. You ought to read clemente's report again and again and again until you understand.

I've read Jim's Report and highly recommend everyone else does also. I commend him and thank him greatly for the work he has done. He has been an outstanding advocate for Joe, Penn State, and Child Abuse in general. His Report proves exactly what I said above.

What Sandusky's letter says at the end begs the question as to how the hundreds of players Sandusky coached never caught on to or suspected Jerry of his proclivities. You would have thought that SOMEONE would have noticed or walked in on SOMETHING.

As Jim says in his Report. Jerry was able to hide in plain sight if he was in fact guilty. If he was able to pull the wool over EVERYONE'S eyes all that time, he truly is in that upper 1% of all pedos. But people make mistakes. Even the best criminals.

If Jerry was having oral sex in the showers at Penn State summer camps as far back as 1988 as Victim AS claims, Sandusky was truly a magician in that he was never caught, reported, or walked in on. Plus, he had to have had the biggest set of balls in the world to have been that insanely reckless and foolhardy. Especially when we are now talking 16 year old QBs we're trying to actively recruit against the likes of Michigan and Syracuse.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I've read Jim's Report and highly recommend everyone else does also. I commend him and thank him greatly for the work he has done. He has been an outstanding advocate for Joe, Penn State, and Child Abuse in general. His Report proves exactly what I said above.

What Sandusky's letter says at the end begs the question as to how the hundreds of players Sandusky coached never caught on to or suspected Jerry of his proclivities. You would have thought that SOMEONE would have noticed or walked in on SOMETHING.

As Jim says in his Report. Jerry was able to hide in plain sight if he was in fact guilty. If he was able to pull the wool over EVERYONE'S eyes all that time, he truly is in that upper 1% of all pedos. But people make mistakes. Even the best criminals.

If Jerry was having oral sex in the showers at Penn State summer camps as far back as 1988 as Victim AS claims, Sandusky was truly a magician in that he was never caught, reported, or walked in on. Plus, he had to have had the biggest set of balls in the world to have been that insanely reckless and foolhardy. Especially when we are now talking 16 year old QBs we're trying to actively recruit against the likes of Michigan and Syracuse.

It's easy to be a magician with children and even more so in your own basement.