Kane jury has a verdict....

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yet somehow, people like that Atty. Risman, Peetz, and Cindy Baldwin manage to negotiate through just fine.

Yea, it's because the Hershey-MontCo axis of evil Apparatchik is running a "political access and protection syndicate" (otherwise known as legal "racketering") - they essentially sell "protection" (i.e., "insurance" is the term they use in the underworld) and "access" with equal vigor. How else can you explain Baldwin not being censured in any way by the PA Bar? By-the-by, the PA Judiciary and PA Bar have become so politicized and so far from the principle of "Blind Justice" it's ridiculous....the frightening part is that I'm not sure PA is all that different from other states in the Country.

 

[Thus Spake Mainer]

Great news! Great for the rule of law and for telling the truth. Don't have any idea what this has to do with PS or Joe. Just don't lie to a GJ or investigators.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

So what do we know about Castor? Is he likely to drop the charges against C/S/S and go after the Old Boy cabal? Or is he another political guy who is trying to get ahead by not taking on the corruption?

Empty suit

If we SHOULD have learned anything over the years, it is this:

When some asshole - particularly some lawyerly/politico asshole - claims he's gonna do "something"........give him about 48 hours, if he doesn't start taking action by them, all the leg-pissing don't mean nothing - - - he ain't gonna' do shit
We've seen it with a slew of AG/Prosecutor types, a slew of Politicians, a cadre of "our" A9, and lord knows how many Media Types

Smile to your face, laugh behind your back, immoral, soulless, say anything-do nothing, empty suits must be mass produced somewhere by a platoon of "breed like rabbits" scumbags

 

[ChiTownLion]

Don't have any idea what this has to do with PS or Joe.

Long story short, it means (1.) the narrative that Penn State football knowingly facilitated decades of child rape is safer today than it was yesterday, and (2.) the system that put at-risk kids in the hands of a predator remains "Jerry-rigged." After all, boys will be boys! Right, Frank?? #fapfapfap

 

[wensilver]

 

[Yanks49]

I seriously doubt Castor will be any better. Exhibit One: His support of Stacy Parks Miller.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Empty suit

If we SHOULD have learned anything over the years, it is this:

When some asshole - particularly some lawyerly/politico asshole - claims he's gonna do "something"........give him about 48 hours, if he doesn't start taking action by them, all the leg-pissing don't mean nothing - - - he ain't gonna' do shit
We've seen it with a slew of AG/Prosecutor types, a slew of Politicians, a cadre of "our" A9, and lord knows how many Media Types

Smile to your face, laugh behind your back, immoral, soulless, say anything-do nothing, empty suits must be mass produced somewhere by a platoon of "breed like rabbits" scumbags

Yeah, I don't have big expectations and didn't Castor eff up the Cosby investigation?

 

[Adlee73]

Guess this is what happens when you mess with the good ol' boys club.

But should we assume Kane is actually guilty & not wrongfully accused & tried now?

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Great news! Great for the rule of law and for telling the truth. Don't have any idea what this has to do with PS or Joe. Just don't lie to a GJ or investigators.

The biggest winners were the self-loathing straight-acting woman haters like yourself. Battle won. War goes on.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

As Joe would say... Next Man (or woman) Up. The fight for justice and to restore what is rightfully ours goes on

 

[GTACSA]

I did not follow her trial closely and I make no judgment as to her guilt or innocence, but when I heard the defense called no witnesses, I thought the strategy was either brilliance or folly. The verdict tells me it was the latter.

"brilliance or folly"

Perhaps neither.

Remember, the defendant is a lawyer and agreed to the strategy.

She could have testified and still been convicted. Would you have then said it was folly for her to testify?

The result doesn't necessarily determine the appropriateness of the defense strategy.

 

[83wuzme]

The radio this AM said she could get up to 14 years. I don't know how the sentencing works, consecutive or concurrent. Maybe this is a math error.

 

[elvis63]

Kane is a politician like the rest of them , she just sucks at it.
And I've heard from various people she wasn't a good prosecutor . As was pointed out, she was a lawyer and should have a clue about her own defense strategy .

 

[Dr. Evel]

I don't understand how people can defend KK's actions. She committed multiple crimes while holding the highest law enforcement office in the Commonwealth. She was convicted by a jury of her peers. She had a choice to commit crimes or not, and she chose to do so. She put herself in this position.

I understand the dislike for Fina and others. I loathe the treatment of PSU and the lack of a thorough investigation in all respects. What does the PSU situation have to do with KK breaking the law?

 

[PSUPhreak]

People defend her because while she committed crimes, the people she went against committed the same crimes and faced no repercussions. Corruption is rampant in this state and Kane tried to fight fire with fire. But she went against the old boys club and lost.

 

[step.eng69]

People defend her because while she committed crimes, the people she went against committed the same crimes and faced no repercussions. Corruption is rampant in this state and Kane tried to fight fire with fire. But she went against the old boys club and lost.

I can explain the outrage in two words; SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

Hold everyone to the same standard. In this case, there is more than sufficient evidence that the "victim" was a far bigger perpetrator of the crime Kane was convicted of. So, why the SELECTIVE ENFROCEMENT? Not holding everyone accountable to the law is tyranny.

Sorry siblings, Dr. Evil will tell you that "your logic" is flawed.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I can explain the outrage in two words; SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

Hold everyone to the same standard. In this case, there is more than sufficient evidence that the "victim" was a far bigger perpetrator of the crime Kane was convicted of. So, why the SELECTIVE ENFROCEMENT? Not holding everyone accountable to the law is tyranny.

The other thing these guys have not seemed to wrap their heads around yet: This was a county level prosecution of an elected state official. I find it interesting that this does not give them pause.

 

[Dr. Evel]

Sorry siblings, Dr. Evil will tell you that "your logic" is flawed.

No, I would just say that she committed a crime as AG and should be held accountable.

I would add that I agree that all citizens should be held accountable for their actions.

And it is Evel...

 

[lionroar88]

I can explain the outrage in two words; SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

Hold everyone to the same standard. In this case, there is more than sufficient evidence that the "victim" was a far bigger perpetrator of the crime Kane was convicted of. So, why the SELECTIVE ENFROCEMENT?

Failure to hold everyone accountable to the law is tyranny.

IF you are going after people for leaking GJ information and other crimes... the dumbest thing you can do is commit the same crimes they committed. If she was trying to clean up the system, you do it by being clean, not by being the same low level scum you're going after.

This is one of the problems with some Police Departments - and don't take this as a 'lionroar hates cops' thing either, because many of my close friends are cops. You have some cops breaking laws in order to convict criminals (and sometimes innocent people). So tired of people thinking it is OK to be immoral and unethical.

 

[lionlurker]

The thing that is really concerning is that what we see is just a small window into PA politics and the justice system, as it relates to what happened at Penn State. It's very reasonable to assume that the whole system is screwed up all over the place, affecting many many many more people.

It would appear that there are no grown-ups in PA politics. No wonder CSS have decided to play out the string; you never know what can happen in PA once you are in front of a judge.

 

[francofan]

Hell, Jane Orie got 10 years because her office workers licked stamps to put on re-election materials. That was another political crucifixion just like this one.

I was on the Jane Orie jury and I can assure you that Jane did more than have her office workers lick stamps on re-election materials.

 

[lionlurker]

I was on the Jane Orie jury and I can assure you that Jane did more than have her office workers lick stamps on re-election materials.

It was a figure of speech. Nevertheless, given what goes on in this state, her maximum sentence was 10 years. That's insane.

Nobody condones the actions of these politicians. All of them are on some level corrupt, once they achieve a certain level of power and influence. But they all play the same game, and only a few of them ever pay the piper, and when they do it's to settle personal or political vendettas. There's no doubt that laws are broken by these people when they get prosecuted, but to think that Orie and the likes of Mike Veon etc are any different than the rest of them is just wrong. They just wound up in the crosshairs of their enemies and paid the price for that, more than anything.

 

[harbest]

I think she needs an honest court- there is probably no such thing in PA, so she needs to get it into the federal court system.

What makes you think she could do better in federal court? I'm not standing up for Kane, she broke the law, was tried by a jury of her peers, and found guilty. You can be objective as to how you feel about the prosecution, but they got the case to trial, 12 people heard the evidence, and found her guilty on all counts. She dug her own grave and kept throwing dirt upon it.

 

[WDLion]

Long story short, it means (1.) the narrative that Penn State football knowingly facilitated decades of child rape is safer today than it was yesterday, and (2.) the system that put at-risk kids in the hands of a predator remains "Jerry-rigged." After all, boys will be boys! Right, Frank?? #fapfapfap

And the corrupt politicians Mainer supports go on their merry corrupt way.

 

[lionroar88]

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that she leaked GJ testimony. She made a huge mistake in under estimating her opponents and ham handedly employed their tactics.

I've said this before, If I were her, I would have called a big press conference and invited the Feds to investigate what is tantamount to political racketeering. Announce that she has seized computer hard drives and is inviting a complete investigation into the activities of the previous AG.

Don't get cute just call in the cavalry and get the hell out of the way.

Absolutely! Had she done this it would have sent a message roiling through the state - "Clean up your houses, or we will do it for you!"

 

[Dr. Evel]

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that she leaked GJ testimony. She made a huge mistake in under estimating her opponents and ham handedly employed their tactics.

I've said this before, If I were her, I would have called a big press conference and invited the Feds to investigate what is tantamount to political racketeering. Announce that she has seized computer hard drives and is inviting a complete investigation into the activities of the previous AG.

Don't get cute just call in the cavalry and get the hell out of the way.

I would have loved to see her do what you suggest in the last two paragraphs. That would have been a great move. Here is the evidence guys, go to town. To ensure objectivity, I have asked the Feds to handle.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Now that this is over - where did the notion that Kane was going to side with the good guys and drop charges against C/S/S or that she was going to reverse the damage done to PSU by Corbett and the rest come from? Did this emanate out of some top secret meeting with Kane & PS4RS or the Paterno Family or was this just wishful thinking to keep people aligned with her objectives. We've been supporting her for the last 3 years and for the life of me I'm not even sure why I was doing this: other than because everyone else seemed to think it was a great idea. Was this an example of where Groupthink took over and no one really knew why? I'm as guilty as the next guy on this topic but I'm not even sure why I was supporting her other than because everyone said we should

 

[4rosco]

And the corrupt politicians Mainer supports go on their merry corrupt way.

And you are upset because the corrupt politician you support got caught and was convicted. The majority of politicians are corrupt at all levels but most people only want to believe that it is the other party and not theirs.

 

[Frabjous]

I hope she has more documents to release before she goes away. Release all of them to the public and let us sort them out.

 

[PSUPhreak]

I don't think the notion was that she'd magically clear them, but hat she was going against a lot of corrupt politicians and officials in PA that were stacking the deck against CSS. These are the same people that leaked GJ information about Sandusky, fed Ganim a story, fed Emails to Freeh and leaked them to to CNN, and threw Hail Mary charges against Spanier.

With them gone CSS would have gotten a more fair shake, but with he good old boys club firmly in place they'll have to overcome that corruption if they want to prevail.

 

[simons96]

That's the selective enforcement we are talking about. When you control the investigation, the prosecution and the judiciary....you can "conveniently" employ selective enforcement.

This whole thing started because Fina aka "the victim" and his cronies were trying to publicly strong-arm her into prosecuting an incredibly flawed investigation/prosecution of a Dem enemy.

ok for the slow people out there . . .

there was a grand jury leak . . . from this investigation of Kane's grand jury leak

so many trolls and idiots just have a hate on for Kane

 

[harbest]

That's the selective enforcement we are talking about. When you control the investigation, the prosecution and the judiciary....you can "conveniently" employ selective enforcement.

This whole thing started because Fina aka "the victim" and his cronies were trying to publicly strong-arm her into prosecuting an incredibly flawed investigation/prosecution of a Dem enemy.

At what point does the office she was duly elected to (State Attorney General highest law enforcement officer in the state) come into play and she asserts her authority and says "I'm going to prosecute the cases I want to prosecute period and tells the dissenters to go pound sand if they don't like her decision. She couldn't stop at telling them to pound sand, she tried to bury them in it and that's where she crossed the line. The two biggest problems in this country today are everybody who thinks they are above or beyond the law and the blatant lack of respect for the word of the law.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

I was on the Jane Orie jury and I can assure you that Jane did more than have her office workers lick stamps on re-election materials.

Is that some sort of euphemism for a filthy, unsavory political favor?

 

[jjsocrates]

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Kane getting prosecuted for this is similar to a police officer sitting on the side of the highway, watching a bunch of cars speeding by at 80 mph, and then pulling over one car going 66 mph because he didn't like the look of it.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I don't think the notion was that she'd magically clear them, but hat she was going against a lot of corrupt politicians and officials in PA that were stacking the deck against CSS. These are the same people that leaked GJ information about Sandusky, fed Ganim a story, fed Emails to Freeh and leaked them to to CNN, and threw Hail Mary charges against Spanier.

With them gone CSS would have gotten a more fair shake, but with he good old boys club firmly in place they'll have to overcome that corruption if they want to prevail.

But again what in 3 years did she do that gave everyone the impression that she was fighting for the right team? Yeah, she didn't like Corbett and Fina - great, neither do a lot of people. When it counted she had ample opportunity to drop all charges in those 3 years. But instead she actually kept fighting against C/S/S in every legal proceeding that the state had with them.

I just don't see a single accomplishment from her 3 + years that tells me she was inclined to be on the right side when it mattered most - C/S/S.

 

[WDLion]

And you are upset because the corrupt politician you support got caught and was convicted. The majority of politicians are corrupt at all levels but most people only want to believe that it is the other party and not theirs.

Wrong! I don't support corrupt scum of either party.

 

[Sullivan]

Wrong! I don't support corrupt scum of either party.

Great. Then we can all celebrate today on the conviction of Kane. Hopefully, there will be a lot more convictions to celebrate.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I'll take a shot at this....

Look no further than the entrapment/bribery/corruption case in Philly. Fina and his cronies completely had her skewered in the press. (that's why she leaked the GJ info right? To get them off her back.) If they did that for a "two-bit" case in Philly what do you think they would have done to her for dropping Fina's BS case against C/S/S?

She would have looked like a complete pedo-enabler and she would have been so distracted and defending herself. Again, IMO, she should have just called the Feds and got out of the way.

Your entire argument is based on the perception that she was even interested in dropping charges against C/S/S in the first place. What evidence is there to support that this is something she was gonna do? Are you making the assumption that because she didn't like Fina and Corbett she was naturally inclined to undo the damage they did? Was this something she communicated on the down low to someone supporting the Paterno lawsuits? I'm not getting it.

Here's what I think happened. She ran on a platform to 'get to the bottom of the Jerry Sandusky investigation'. People took that to mean - exonerate the damaged parties, C/S/S and Joe and go after everyone responsible for those damages which was a huge miscalculation. All she was interested in was making Corbett and the rest look incompetent for taking so long to convict JS and that's where it ended.

 

[WDLion]

Great. Then we can all celebrate today on the conviction of Kane. Hopefully, there will be a lot more convictions to celebrate.

Only sheep celebrate political victories.

 

[WDLion]

So you don't believe politicians who break the law should go to jail?

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.