Last night on BTN Live, they were discussing the hypothetical of scUM losing CCG to Wisconsin &...

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

...under such a scenario would both b1g teams make the 4-Team Invitational Tournament.

Two talking heads believed they both would - one felt probably not as Alabama, Clemson and Washington would likely be in front with a Conference Championship via CCG win even if any of them had one loss. I don't think any b1g team might make it under that scenario as Louisville would probably be in front of a 2-Loss Wisconsin (as would Alabama, Clemson and Washington) and scUM would have to drop out if they lost in the CCG (no way they could put scUM in 4-Team Championship Invitational Tournament if they can't win their own Conference Championship Game coming into 4-Team Tournament). Contrary to this being a scenario that would see two b1g teams get "selected", I think this is the nightmare scenario for b1g and zero teams get "selected" (i.e., 4-Team Invitational Tournament would be Alabama, Clemson, U-dub and Louisville).

Subsequent to this conversation, I think it was Dave Revsine who raised the issue that PSU has all the credentials that Wisconsin does, and maybe better given they beat #2 daO$U, so if they did end up winning the b1g East they could be selected as a 2-loss team if they won the CCG (and 1-loss daO$U could potentially make it as well - i.e., a second way the b1g could get two teams potentially "selected" including a 2-loss team). So the jack@ss "J. Leman" (I don't even know who the guy is - never even heard of him prior to BTN, but I think he might have played at Illinois or something as they often have him comment on Illinois as they do Ray Lucas with Buttgers), anyway this jack@ss chimes in about how there is no way PSU gets invited even if they ran the table, made the b1g CCG and won it, because "they lost that opportunity in September"??? Yea, good thing the "traditional Shizholians" are so perfectly unbiased in regards to PSU and the "traditional shizhole programs" and all.....pathetic....biased.......and arbitrary commentary as per usual from these douche-bag, homer babbling-bozos, LMFAO.

 

[4INSBU]

If UM gets to championship game and loses they still get in unless they get blown out like O$U did to Wisky two years ago

 

[Erial_Lion]

So the jack@ss "J. Leman" (I don't even know who the guy is - never even heard of him prior to BTN, but I think he might have played at Illinois or something as they often have him comment on Illinois as they do Ray Lucas with Buttgers),

From what I remember, he killed us in a game that we played out in Champagne. He was a heck of a LB in college.

 

[Obliviax]

Wiscy has had a nice run...wins over LSU and and Neb. Now, their record doesn't look as good with Neb and MSU having since underperformed. They lost to UM and tOSU. But were competitive in both.

What kills us is the UM blowout.

Regardless, its all about momentum late in the year so I'd have to figure we've done better and would also have a better B1G season than Wiscy (we have one loss, they have two).

Wiscy has an easy schedule. Their toughest remaining opponent is Minny.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

If UM gets to championship game and loses they still get in unless they get blown out like O$U did to Wisky two years ago

Disagree. Louisville would be right there at 5 and scUM could not lose the CCG (i.e., the game before the final CFB Playoff Rankings) and expect not to drop and be invited that's absurd.

 

[AdvanSix]

...under such a scenario would both b1g teams make the 4-Team Invitational Tournament.

Two talking heads believed they both would - one felt probably not as Alabama, Clemson and Washington would likely be in front with a Conference Championship via CCG win even if any of them had one loss. I don't think any b1g team might make it under that scenario as Louisville would probably be in front of a 2-Loss Wisconsin (as would Alabama, Clemson and Washington) and scUM would have to drop out if they lost in the CCG (no way they could put scUM in 4-Team Championship Invitational Tournament if they can't win their own Conference Championship Game coming into 4-Team Tournament). Contrary to this being a scenario that would see two b1g teams get "selected", I think this is the nightmare scenario for b1g and zero teams get "selected" (i.e., 4-Team Invitational Tournament would be Alabama, Clemson, U-dub and Louisville).

Subsequent to this conversation, I think it was Dave Revsine who raised the issue that PSU has all the credentials that Wisconsin does, and maybe better given they beat #2 daO$U, so if they did end up winning the b1g East they could be selected as a 2-loss team if they won the CCG (and 1-loss daO$U could potentially make it as well - i.e., a second way the b1g could get two teams potentially "selected" including a 2-loss team). So the jack@ss "J. Leman" (I don't even know who the guy is - never even heard of him prior to BTN, but I think he might have played at Illinois or something as they often have him comment on Illinois as they do Ray Lucas with Buttgers), anyway this jack@ss chimes in about how there is no way PSU gets invited even if they ran the table, made the b1g CCG and won it, because "they lost that opportunity in September"??? Yea, good thing the "traditional Shizholians" are so perfectly unbiased in regards to PSU and the "traditional shizhole programs" and all.....pathetic....biased.......and arbitrary commentary as per usual from these douche-bag, homer babbling-bozos, LMFAO.

To the OP: if it's your goal to perpetuate hateful speech and other teams' use of "Ped State" then I suggest you continue referring to opponents as "scUM" and "O$U." You reap what you sow.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

...under such a scenario would both b1g teams make the 4-Team Invitational Tournament.

Two talking heads believed they both would - one felt probably not as Alabama, Clemson and Washington would likely be in front with a Conference Championship via CCG win even if any of them had one loss. I don't think any b1g team might make it under that scenario as Louisville would probably be in front of a 2-Loss Wisconsin (as would Alabama, Clemson and Washington) and scUM would have to drop out if they lost in the CCG (no way they could put scUM in 4-Team Championship Invitational Tournament if they can't win their own Conference Championship Game coming into 4-Team Tournament). Contrary to this being a scenario that would see two b1g teams get "selected", I think this is the nightmare scenario for b1g and zero teams get "selected" (i.e., 4-Team Invitational Tournament would be Alabama, Clemson, U-dub and Louisville).

Subsequent to this conversation, I think it was Dave Revsine who raised the issue that PSU has all the credentials that Wisconsin does, and maybe better given they beat #2 daO$U, so if they did end up winning the b1g East they could be selected as a 2-loss team if they won the CCG (and 1-loss daO$U could potentially make it as well - i.e., a second way the b1g could get two teams potentially "selected" including a 2-loss team). So the jack@ss "J. Leman" (I don't even know who the guy is - never even heard of him prior to BTN, but I think he might have played at Illinois or something as they often have him comment on Illinois as they do Ray Lucas with Buttgers), anyway this jack@ss chimes in about how there is no way PSU gets invited even if they ran the table, made the b1g CCG and won it, because "they lost that opportunity in September"??? Yea, good thing the "traditional Shizholians" are so perfectly unbiased in regards to PSU and the "traditional shizhole programs" and all.....pathetic....biased.......and arbitrary commentary as per usual from these douche-bag, homer babbling-bozos, LMFAO.

Biased or not, Leman is most likely correct.
PSU running the table (including B10 title game) is probably left out for Louisville.

 

[Obliviax]

Biased or not, Leman is most likely correct.
PSU running the table (including B10 title game) is probably left out for Louisville.

have to agree. i'd be shocked to see us in the final four. not that it can't or shouldn't happen, but a lot of circumstances would have to line up for us. that horrible loss to UM is probably too much to overcome in moving us to the top of the 2 loss teams.

 

[pandaczar12]

To the OP: if it's your goal to perpetuate hateful speech and other teams' use of "Ped State" then I suggest you continue referring to opponents as "scUM" and "O$U." You reap what you sow.

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[meanmiJ01]

There is very rarely more than 2 undefeated teams at the end of the season. So a lot of this talk is nice as things sit today but my guess is there will be a few more upsets ahead of us. If we sneak in the backdoor great. If not I am more than content with a New Year 6 bowl to anyone in a power 5 conference and a win to set up recruiting and momentum to come out guns a blazing next year.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Biased or not, Leman is most likely correct.
PSU running the table (including B10 title game) is probably left out for Louisville.

Don't know that I disagree with that, but you are missing the true "bias" here - it is complete Shizholian ILLOGICAL nonsense to believe that a 2-loss Wisconsin would move in front of Louisville then! (again, I don't disagree with you that Louisville would likely be in front of us if we made the b1g CCG and won.....but the same is true regarding Wisconsin!). Louisville would also almost certainly be in front of a scUM team if they were to lose in the b1g CCG (i.e., the game directly before the Final CFB Playoff Ranking).....IOW, the point of my OP that Shizholian homers are beyond absurd in their doubly nonsensical belief that not only would a 2-loss Wisconsin be "invited" to the 4-Team Invitational Championship Tournament if they won the b1g CCG, but a 1-loss scUM would also be "invited" by the Selection Committee of the 4-Team Invitational Championship Tournament after losing the b1g CCG!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

have to agree. i'd be shocked to see us in the final four. not that it can't or shouldn't happen, but a lot of circumstances would have to line up for us. that horrible loss to UM is probably too much to overcome in moving us to the top of the 2 loss teams.

Wasn't the point of the OP, nor do I disagree that a 1-loss Louisville would be in front of a 2-loss PSU even if they made it to and won b1g CCG, but you are missing the point of the OP and the true "bias" here......it is complete Shizholian ILLOGICAL nonsense to believe that a 2-loss Wisconsin would move in front of Louisville then! (again, I don't disagree with you that Louisville would likely be in front of us if we made the b1g CCG and won.....but the same is true regarding Wisconsin!). Louisville would also almost certainly be in front of a scUM team if they were to lose in the b1g CCG (i.e., the game directly before the Final CFB Playoff Ranking).....IOW, the point of my OP that Shizholian homers are beyond absurd in their doubly nonsensical belief that not only would a 2-loss Wisconsin be "invited" to the 4-Team Invitational Championship Tournament if they won the b1g CCG, but a 1-loss scUM would also be "invited" by the Selection Committee of the 4-Team Invitational Championship Tournament after losing the b1g CCG!

 

[Woodpecker]

a game that we played out in Champagne

The bubbles probably threw off our game

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

There is very rarely more than 2 undefeated teams at the end of the season. So a lot of this talk is nice as things sit today but my guess is there will be a few more upsets ahead of us. If we sneak in the backdoor great. If not I am more than content with a New Year 6 bowl to anyone in a power 5 conference and a win to set up recruiting and momentum to come out guns a blazing next year.

The issue is more complicated than just how many undefeated teams there are given that both Wisconsin and PSU have 2-losses.....and it's still possible that the b1g could produce a 2-loss Conference Champion via the CCG. 1-loss P5 Conference Champions via wins in CCGs would ALSO "logically" and "equitablly" be in front of a 2-loss b1g Champion via win in the b1g CCG (ditto, a 1-loss scUM team if it lost the b1g CCG). There is a very high probability that Alabama, Clemson and Washington will end the Conference Season with 0 or 1 loss and a Conference Championship via CCG victory.....and a 1-loss Louisville team would almost certainly be in front of any 2-loss b1g Champion or 1-loss b1g non-Champion that losses in the CCG as the CCG is played directly before the Final CFB Playoff Rankings are released.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

From what I remember, he killed us in a game that we played out in Champagne. He was a heck of a LB in college.

Oooohhhhh, impressive.....especially given that our all time record against Ill-noise is 18-5 and our record since beginning b1g play is 18-4, LMFAO.

 

[ga.lion]

...under such a scenario would both b1g teams make the 4-Team Invitational Tournament.

Two talking heads believed they both would - one felt probably not as Alabama, Clemson and Washington would likely be in front with a Conference Championship via CCG win even if any of them had one loss. I don't think any b1g team might make it under that scenario as Louisville would probably be in front of a 2-Loss Wisconsin (as would Alabama, Clemson and Washington) and scUM would have to drop out if they lost in the CCG (no way they could put scUM in 4-Team Championship Invitational Tournament if they can't win their own Conference Championship Game coming into 4-Team Tournament). Contrary to this being a scenario that would see two b1g teams get "selected", I think this is the nightmare scenario for b1g and zero teams get "selected" (i.e., 4-Team Invitational Tournament would be Alabama, Clemson, U-dub and Louisville).

Subsequent to this conversation, I think it was Dave Revsine who raised the issue that PSU has all the credentials that Wisconsin does, and maybe better given they beat #2 daO$U, so if they did end up winning the b1g East they could be selected as a 2-loss team if they won the CCG (and 1-loss daO$U could potentially make it as well - i.e., a second way the b1g could get two teams potentially "selected" including a 2-loss team). So the jack@ss "J. Leman" (I don't even know who the guy is - never even heard of him prior to BTN, but I think he might have played at Illinois or something as they often have him comment on Illinois as they do Ray Lucas with Buttgers), anyway this jack@ss chimes in about how there is no way PSU gets invited even if they ran the table, made the b1g CCG and won it, because "they lost that opportunity in September"??? Yea, good thing the "traditional Shizholians" are so perfectly unbiased in regards to PSU and the "traditional shizhole programs" and all.....pathetic....biased.......and arbitrary commentary as per usual from these douche-bag, homer babbling-bozos, LMFAO.

More likely the Big Ten would get nobody in the final four and we'd get pushed down a notch in our bowl placement.

 

[4INSBU]

Disagree. Louisville would be right there at 5 and scUM could not lose the CCG (i.e., the game before the final CFB Playoff Rankings) and expect not to drop and be invited that's absurd.

You're high if you think a one loss UM team doesn't get in over Louisville regardless of when that one loss happens (vs. OSU or CCG)

 

[Erial_Lion]

Oooohhhhh, impressive.....especially given that our all time record against Ill-noise is 18-5 and our record since beginning b1g play is 18-4, LMFAO.

LOL. You said that you've never heard of J Leman. I was trying to refresh your memory a bit about one of the best Big Ten linebackers of the past decade. No idea what our record against Illinois has to do with the topic. Carry on...

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

LOL. You said that you've never heard of J Leman. I was trying to refresh your memory a bit about one of the best Big Ten linebackers of the past decade. No idea what our record against Illinois has to do with the topic. Carry on...

J. Leman one of the best b1g linebackers of the last decade???? LMFAO! Did this nobody even get drafted? Never heard of him, let alone being one of the best b1g LBs of the last decade..... Who besides a other Shizholian homer morons such as yourself say he is one of the best LBs of the last decade in CFB (which he would have to be if he is one of the best in the b1g which has produced which would include Mike Hull, Navorro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Sean Lee, Mike Mauti, Paul Posloszny, Nathan Stupar......and those are just the ones playing at the next level from PSU!).

 

[Erial_Lion]

J. Leman one of the best b1g linebackers of the last decade???? LMFAO! Did this nobody even get drafted? Never heard of him, let alone being one of the best b1g LBs of the last decade..... Who besides a other Shizholian homer morons such as yourself say he is one of the best LBs of the last decade in CFB (which he would have to be if he is one of the best in the b1g which has produced which would include Mike Hull, Navorro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Sean Lee, Mike Mauti, Paul Posloszny, Nathan Stupar......and those are just the ones playing at the next level from PSU!).

Guess I give him some credit for being a first team All-American his senior year and 1st team All-Big Ten both his junior and senior years. I'm guessing that you'll only find a handful of LBs with those credentials in the B1G over the past decade. But you've never heard of him.

 

[NedFromYork]

IMO, a one loss Michigan team would still be the most likely for #4 out of Wisconsin, OSU, and Michigan, but would probably go to Louisville.

The four team playoff is a HUGE improvement over the previous system but the big problem is not enough slots for each of the five major conference champions and not a wilcard slot or two. To me, the CONFERENCE CHAMPION has to be selected before another team from the same conference can be, an eight team playoff is optimal right now, conference champ from each of P5, best og G5, two wildcards.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Guess I give him some credit for being a first team All-American his senior year and 1st team All-Big Ten both his junior and senior years. I'm guessing that you'll only find a handful of LBs with those credentials in the B1G over the past decade. But you've never heard of him.

He wasn't even drafted you homer loony-toon. BTW, who named him "First-Team All-American" - the Champagne Journal??? Wow, go figure he was named "All b1g shizhole" (probably by the homer b1g shizhole media) - go figure???

 

[Erial_Lion]

He wasn't even drafted you homer loony-toon. BTW, who named him "First-Team All-American" - the Champagne Journal??? Wow, go figure he was named "All b1g shizhole" (probably by the homer b1g shizhole media) - go figure???

You've never even heard of J Leman, and I'm the "homer"? LOL.

And he was a "consensus" All-American. But if you need some examples, the Football Writers, the Coaches, ESPN, and CBS. Though they're probably all shizhoilian doochnoozle azzholian homers (since we all know that nothing says Big Ten homer like supporting Illinois).

 

[Westcoast24]

You've never even heard of J Leman, and I'm the "homer"? LOL.

And he was a "consensus" All-American. But if you need some examples, the Football Writers, the Coaches, ESPN, and CBS. Though they're probably all shizhoilian doochnoozle azzholian homers (since we all know that nothing says Big Ten homer like supporting Illinois).

Just keep in mind you're dealing with a middle aged adolescent. You just have to try and enjoy the humor in his childish rants. It's entertaining actually.

 

[AldenT]

Just keep in mind you're dealing with a middle aged adolescent. You just have to try and enjoy the humor in his childish rants. It's entertaining actually.

I doubt he's living to 120.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You've never even heard of J Leman, and I'm the "homer"? LOL.

And he was a "consensus" All-American. But if you need some examples, the Football Writers, the Coaches, ESPN, and CBS. Though they're probably all shizhoilian doochnoozle azzholian homers (since we all know that nothing says Big Ten homer like supporting Illinois).

Was he drafted or not??? Was he selected in any of the 7 Rounds or Supllemental Round of the NFL Draft? Can you answer the question? You're trying to tell me that a LB who didn't even get drafted is one of the best LBs in all of CFB over the last decade??? LMFAO! Yea, you're not a Shizholian, Ill-noise homer......uuuummmmm, yea, okee-dokee whatever you say!

 

[Erial_Lion]

Was he drafted or not??? Was he selected in any of the 7 Rounds or Supllemental Round of the NFL Draft? Can you answer the question? You're trying to tell me that a LB who didn't even get drafted is one of the best LBs in all of CFB over the last decade??? LMFAO! Yea, you're not a Shizholian, Ill-noise homer......uuuummmmm, yea, okee-dokee whatever you say!

Holy crap. I said that he's "one of the best Big Ten linebackers of the past decade". I never said that he was one of the best NFL LBs. I never said that he was one of the best LBs in all of CFB. Tommy Frazier was one of the best college QBs of the 90s and wasn't drafted. Charlie Ward won the Heisman and wasn't drafted. The dude was an All-American and 1st team All-B1G twice, but somehow his draft position means more to the quality of his college career than the hardware? The fact that you've never heard of him speaks volumes about your knowledge of Big Ten football.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Holy crap. I said that he's "one of the best Big Ten linebackers of the past decade". I never said that he was one of the best NFL LBs. I never said that he was one of the best LBs in all of CFB. Tommy Frazier was one of the best college QBs of the 90s and wasn't drafted. Charlie Ward one of the Heisman and wasn't drafted. The dude was an All-American and 1st team All-B1G twice, but somehow his draft position means more to the quality of his college career than the hardware? The fact that you've never heard of him speaks volumes about your knowledge of Big Ten football.

Laughable nonsense, he's not one of the "best b1g LBs of the last decade" (a group that would include Bowan, Lee, Posloszny, Mauti, Connor, Hull, etc....IOW, making him one of the best LBs in CFB in the last decade moron!) IF HE DIDN'T EVEN GET DRAFTED, NOT EVEN IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT!!! You're full of Shizholian, laughable, homer, bull$hit if you think some unknown nobody who didn't even get drafted is one of the "best b1g linebackers of the last decade" which AGAIN would absolutely make him one of the best LBs in all of CFB over the last decade given who you are attempting to compare him to you phucking moronic Shizholian homer!!!

 

[Erial_Lion]

Laughable nonsense, he's not one of the "best b1g LBs of the last decade" (a group that would include Bowan, Lee, Posloszny, Mauti, Connor, Hull, etc....IOW, making him one of the best LBs in CFB in the last decade moron!) IF HE DIDN'T EVEN GET DRAFTED, NOT EVEN IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT!!! You're full of Shizholian, laughable, homer, bull$hit if you think some unknown nobody who didn't even get drafted is one of the "best b1g linebackers of the last decade" which AGAIN would absolutely make him one of the best LBs in all of CFB over the last decade given who you are attempting to compare him to you phucking moronic Shizholian homer!!!

First off, learn what the Supplemental draft is, since you seem to think it applies in this instance.

Just did some googling, and he hurt himself in the Rose Bowl and had to have surgery. No idea how much it hurt his stock, but missing the All Stars games and combine certainly didn't help. To those that follow college football, he was a heck of a player. To those who only follow PSU and spend the whole game whining about the refs, he's an "unknown nobody". After all, being a consensus 1st team all-american is basically the equivalent of a participation trophy.

Awesome name calling BTW. Please promise me that you'll never let your 12-year old read this board and see what kind of stuff you post.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

First off, learn what the Supplemental draft is, since you seem to think it applies in this instance.

Just did some googling, and he hurt himself in the Rose Bowl and had to have surgery. No idea how much it hurt his stock, but missing the All Stars games and combine certainly didn't help.

Awesome name calling. Please promise me that you'll never let your 12-year old read this board and see what kind of stuff you post.

Please promise me more of your comical bull$hit like "j. Leman is one of the best b1g linebackers of the last decade", which is right up the hysterical comic-relief factor chart, LMFAO! I couldn't give a crap what your 12 year old reads Shizholean homer moron.

 

[Art]

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