No need to help MI this year. They aren't very good. Money trumps all.
Pretty clear a different rules standard applies to PSU on both sides of the ball....
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For the first 7 years that harbaugh was at Michigan they weren't that good either, but a lot of what I read on this board is how Michigan is favored with calls. I don't follow Michigan's games that much other than the Ohio State game, but this obvious horrible call tends to refute the argument the Michigan always gets good calls in its favor.
OSU's boards are pay to play, so I stop by once in a while. When OSU goes to a bowl it is generally to play a top SEC team like Alabama or Georgia. It is unreasonable to expect a record that is as good as its B1G record. I explained previously why a bias in the B1G is highly unlikely. There is no crying in baseball, but there sure is a great deal of whining in football.
You’re talking calls that could go either way or calls that OSU fans disagree with. I’m talking calls where the officials were clearly wrong and replay proved it, yet the call stood…you know, like an INT that bounced on the ground, but still stood…or how about a field goal kicked three second after the play clock expired, or a pass that bounces off the ground but is still called complete. I’m talking fundamentally wrong calls, not judgement calls.
At Oregon, OSU was driving for a winning field goal try. They got called for an OPI, which was questionable. That took them out of FG range and that was the game. Apparently the refs did not get the memo. Time to move on.
The Jordan Fuller call was fundamentally wrong. Also, if Greg McElroy is correct, the tackling of the guard allowing for the block field goal in the PSU win was fundamentally wrong. If someone wants to pull up that play and show it in slow motion it would be interesting. McElroy's comments are the first I'd ever heard of this.
If you look at it in slow motion, it is highly questionable. As I said previously the contact was initiated by the Oregon player.
Ok, answer me this….in all the games between OSU and PSU, how many game changing plays have been called back for OSU? There have been a lot for PSU.
Not sure I ever said "always" plus in OSU vs MI games it's the team that will produce the most income thar typically is favored. Personally I think non-calls are more impactful than calls and I think that happens much more in OSU and MI games against everyone not just PSU.
I will agree with you that over the past 15 years, the calls have tended to favor Ohio state. I don't agree that it is intentional. Also, if McElroy's correct, there was one huge call that was very much in Penn state's favor in a very big game. If I get a chance, I will try to look at the tape of that block
Try these two free ones: I believe they are OSU and Michigan's busiest boards. I'm a constant on both. Of course, for the most part, they'll be biased but that's on every CF board.
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There is no moving on when the same garbage happens every year.
I don’t think it’s intentional, I think it’s just inherent bias. Officials are human and they’re going to “see” what they want to see based on who they like better or who they think is a better team.
Kind of like the majority of our fans seeing what they want to see so they can blame the officials?
Says the fan of a team that always seems to get the calls - blatant ridiculous calls like replay is down, time added, bouncing off ground catches, fumbles called non fumbles or vice versa - except when they get their heads handed to them out of conference when Dave Witvoet or some other midwest shill isn't refereeing.
I explained. When Penn State plays Alabama, Georgia. Oregon etc., you will see what I mean. They are generally very good. OSU has had some success, what other northern team has? Michigan for 1 year, helped along by cheating. Who else?
So SOME here (not all) are not happy with the B1G refs, huh, and conference in general? You need to get together with Nebraska who also complains about the B1G being out to get them also. Maybe try the almighty ACC? Maybe the Big 8 or whatever it is now. I'm sure there will be many teams more than willing to take your spot in the "crooked" B1G who now has 53% of the U'S TV markets in their area. Of course, those other conferences - not named the B1G or SEC - might not be around that much longer.
Don't know what to tell you but learn to live with it. BYE
Nobody is leaving. Money money money. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. That's what it's all about and no team is going to complain and upset the money cart.
I'm pretty sure PSU's Bowl Record against the SEC Champion is pretty good. duhO$U's record over the past 50 years when non-b1g Officials call the game sucks (losing record genius), but keep telling yourself that b1g Officials have no impact on duhO$U results. LMFAO
The OP’s premise that calls in two separate games on two separate weeks by two separate crews is absurd. Like comparing apples to dog food.
Officiating is a human endeavor. And a difficult one, at that. Different crews will call the game differently and both can be correct with their judgements.
The only thing good coaches seek is for the crew to be consistent within that day’s game.
Good coaches also tell their players it is their responsibility to adjust to the way the crew is calling the game.
The OP fancies himself as some type of officiating expert. He likes to quote the rule book, but generally proves with each post he doesn’t know squat about that part of the game. I swear he wants holding called against PSU opponents in pregame warmups. He’s been challenged many times to buy a whistle, take the test and show us all how to do it better. His only response every time is juvenile name calling.
As for those who claim officials are cheating in any way, prove it or shut the hell up.
Officiating is a human endeavor. And a difficult one, at that. Different crews will call the game differently and both can be correct with their judgements.
The only thing good coaches seek is for the crew to be consistent within that day’s game.
Good coaches also tell their players it is their responsibility to adjust to the way the crew is calling the game.
The OP fancies himself as some type of officiating expert. He likes to quote the rule book, but generally proves with each post he doesn’t know squat about that part of the game. I swear he wants holding called against PSU opponents in pregame warmups. He’s been challenged many times to buy a whistle, take the test and show us all how to do it better. His only response every time is juvenile name calling.
As for those who claim officials are cheating in any way, prove it or shut the hell up.
What exactly is PSU's record against SEC champions? I have explained why a secret B1G policy to favor OSU is virtually impossible. So keep LYFAO. At least you find humor in something.
They can't and just like to be heard whether their post is absurd or not. Basically, they're just miserable people
Yeah, bounced passes called completions, clearly shorted-hopped incompletions called "Interceptions", incomplete passes with feel definitely landing on OB stripe - going interviewed - and called "Completions" are "subjective" difficult calls??? Speaking of STFU.......
LMAO, the known posing b1g-hugging douche troll spouts his stupid, arrogant-without-cause bullshit yet again.
Over the past 50 years, duhO$U and scUM's record when playing with non-b1g Officials is SUB-.500 - and significantly so! LMFAO that they don't hugely benefit from bushleague b1g homecooking.
Because they wouldn't have anything to do with playing better teams in those games as opposed to low-tier Big Ten teams and MAC teams with Big Ten refs?
OSU's record in bowl games the last 50-60 years is 27-28. Keep in mind they are generally playing a top 5 (or at least top 10) team in those games. None of those games were home games for OSU. Quality of opponent is a far bigger factor in success than some BS about officiating. I'll take the record given the general quality of opponents. OSU's loss last year to Missouri had nothing to do with officiating. OSU played for shi* in that game and that is why they lost.
My favorite is how it's "just PSU fans" when a FOX Announcing Crew (which are anything but PSU fans) stated on 5 separate occasions that duhO$U benefitted on huge plays from UNCALLED PENALTIES - they made no mention of PSU benefitting from calls or non-calls. They also opined (including FOX's Rules Expert) that there was insufficient video evidence to change the call on the field of a duhO$U fumble and PSU recovery (and how can there be "conclusive evidence" on a subjective call once the receiver tucks the ball and turns up field - both of which the duhO$U receiver did???) but FOX's Rules Expert was proven wrong with his opinion the call has to "stand as called" due to the nature of the call when the b1g Homer's turned it over on Review taking the ball away from PSU deep in duhO$U territory.... - go figure! But it's only PSU fans.... blah, blah, blah....
Yet here you are caring.
Why are you on this board? Go hang out with Michigan fans.
I will continue to call a spade a spade. And, yes, I would much rather be in any other conference than the Big 10, but I don't call the shots.
What they have to do with is playing teams of equal talent and not getting fumbles called drops to benefit them. They get flagged for holding. They don't get every break. Then they crap their pants more often than not and wind up being under .500. That's why calls matter contrary to your OPINION.
Nice try, duhO$U's record in bowl-postseason over past 50 years (i.e., since postseason to 1973 season) is 23-26. Over the past 60 years (which would include post season results following 1963 Regular Season), duhO$U's record would be 24-28.
BTW, PSU's record in "Major Bowls" only during this same span was 17-7 (28-18-1 in all bowl postseason play during the span) - again 17-7 in Major Bowls during the span, so much for your top competition explaining the losing records. LMFAO
Agree, my son is an OSU grad and went to that game and was not a happy camper afterwards. OSU just laid an egg and acted like they didn't want to be there. Shame on them
There is little difference in the records we cited. How many times did PSU play Georgia, Alabama, Clemson (at their height) etc. in the playoffs? The top southern schools are very good. The games are also played in the south. Quality of opponents is the biggest factor by far in determining a record.
