I hope CJF and Kraft submit a formal request to the B1G Commissioner asking for a formal inquiry into Joel Klatt's (FOX Sports) on-air statement....

[CJFisJoePaII]

The first one was borderline and was reasonable to let pass, the second was a clear PI. Still, it's worth noting that even if one or the other were called doesn't mean we lose that game - USC would still have had to score and we still would have had a series to respond.

And not to mention that the contact on both was nothing like the non-calls we're talking about in the duhO$U game which involved receivers being contacted at the LOS and ridden throughout their pattern and then being tackled while ball is in air and before it has arrived. Let's also not mention that USC got away with the same minor contact as the ball arrives multiple times earlier in the game. To claim the minor contact in the USC game (which went both ways throughout the game) was anything like what we're talking about in the duhO$U game is beyond absurd and spectacularly stupid, but pretty par for the course for the dumbass poser-troll making the claim.

 

[voltz99]

Two trips inside the 5, we didn't get it done. You want to stop complaining about holding? Get off the line of scrimmage and get separation. Their receivers did it. Then again, its like night and day there.

OSU DBs were told how the officials would call the game and psu was not.

Do you think that is appropriate? Would st Joe approve?

 

[voltz99]

Just so we're actually making factual statements, Klatt's commentary came after CLIFFORD, not Warren, had a guy pulling on him in the first half of his route and then arriving prematurely when the ball was en route on a failed 3rd down conversion. And Klatt's statement was "the officials telling me before the game, on the field, 'we wanna let them play'."

Apparently osu knew the officials were going to let them play. why wasn't psu also informed?

 

[voltz99]

Letting them play isn’t really the issue.

Someone from the league communicating an officiating strategy to the media before the game (if it actually happened) is highly inappropriate and an issue. If someone from the league actually told Klatt they were going to call it tight it would be equally problematic.

I also don’t remember him saying it during or before the broadcast so wouldn’t mind hearing the sound bite if anyone has it.

Was osu also told of the strategy before the game?

 

[scrivener]

The first one was borderline and was reasonable to let pass, the second was a clear PI. Still, it's worth noting that even if one or the other were called doesn't mean we lose that game - USC would still have had to score and we still would have had a series to respond.

The first one easily could have been called...but wasn't as bad as the 2nd. My point being, that game, and arguably our 2nd biggest of the season by scope of program/opponent, swung in the balance at the very end by flags that went our way....this whole thread (and much of the fanbase) always has the 'woe is me' mentality about this subject, when just a few weeks ago, non-calls totally flipped OT in that game to our benefit.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Another question to ask is , did the BIG inform OSU? They told klatt so there is a chance they told OSU which would give OSU an advantage.

And the other questions that need to be asked is "has the B1G Front Office authorized their Crews to make such rule-altering decisions [and disclosures of such intention]?"

And also, what is the motivation for subjectively alternating the way they are going to call a specific b2g game relative to others?

 

[The Spin Meister]

OSU DBs were told how the officials would call the game and psu was not.

Do you think that is appropriate? Would st Joe approve?

No one had to be told. It’s every time we play. So start out playing a little tight, a grab here and there. Test the limits. By the third possession they knew it was a free for all. Both for Dbacks and o linemen.

 

[bvillebaron]

So, you don't believe our CBs use their hands in man coverage? You don't believe what we saw from Ohio State that week is what they're taught to do. Go back and watch JPJ while he was here. He was an elite, shutdown CB because of his ability to impede receivers with his hands. He still does it in the NFL and gets caught out of position once or twice a game drawing a penalty but if the CB is in position they never call it. It's only when they get beat and grab--just like OL--only outside

The difference is that Porter was called for holding frequently unlike the OSU DBs.

 

[voltz99]

Did you complain every time JPJ held someone? Our DBs are just as handsy as Ohio State's. They just aren't as good as them.

That is a dumb point because jpj was usually flagged. Notice the difference?

JPJ holding = pass interference
OSU holding = we will let them play today

 

[LandoComando]

That is a dumb point because jpj was usually flagged. Notice the difference?

JPJ holding = pass interference
OSU holding = we will let them play today

He was occasionally called---not every play--they absolutely let him play
Ohio State was flagged on the catch by Wallace but he caught it

 

[PurposePitch]

I guess people forget how we benefited not once but twice in that OT @ USC...when anyone without blue and white glasses can say that both were easy PI's 99 times out of 100. Usually, like in baseball, if the ump misses a pitch, you better not take the next one b/c you'll get rung up. We got away with both. if one gets called, we likely have two losses. We need a little balance and perspective here.

You don't say a single positive thing about PSU ... and you twist the crap out of things to try to say negative things.

YOU need balance and perspective.

 

[PurposePitch]

The difference is that Porter was called for holding frequently unlike the OSU DBs.

Yup.

What Are The Main Concerns About Joey Porter Jr.?

Penn State corner Joey Porter Jr. showed improvement on his game film this past season, but there are also some real concerns.

firstroundmock.com

Aggression wins in the NFL, but not when it comes to penalties by cornerbacks.

In this three-game study, Porter committed three penalties while in pass coverage. Last season, during the final five games of the season, he was flagged for eight penalties that were pass interference, holding or a personal foul (247sports).

Porter has developed a reputation for being super aggressive in coverage, even the television announcers talk about it. He’s super “handsy” with receivers.

 

[LandoComando]

You don't say a single positive thing about PSU ... and you twist the crap out of things to try to say negative things.

YOU need balance and perspective.

How is any of that negative?
It's like--I think Penn State should be ranked 3rd but I'm negative because I acknowledge their schedule is weak
You can be honest without being negative.

 

[fastlax16]

And that's the point--we don't know why it was said so it's not a red flag.
And, I still maintain, this should be said to them before every game. People complain if the refs call the game too tight, if they don't call it tight enough, if they miss something that's impossible to see live at the game with out the benefit of the angles and everything we have. Spotting the ball is infinitely easier on TV.
Complaining about the refs is, IMO, ridiculous. It's just bitching to bitch. Like every other fan base tells you the refs favor us.

A red flag doesn't mean something nefarious happened, but it can mean its worth a closer look.

A new mole on your skin that ends up not being skin cancer doesn't mean new moles aren't red flags, or you shouldn't look into them to make sure. You don't need to know its cancerous before it becomes a red flag. It's existence is the red flag, and then you check to see if it is.

 

[LandoComando]

A red flag doesn't mean something nefarious happened, but it can mean its worth a closer look.

A new mole on your skin that ends up not being skin cancer doesn't mean new moles aren't red flags, or you shouldn't look into them to make sure. You don't need to know its cancerous before it becomes a red flag. It's existence is the red flag, and then you check to see if it is.

And nothing here deserves a closer look. The statement was the refs were going to let them play. It's a throw away statement in an evenly called game.
I get what you're trying to say but nothing from that statement is an alert to dig deeper. I think people see it that way because of past calls they feel targeted us.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Another question to ask is , did the BIG inform OSU? They told klatt so there is a chance they told OSU which would give OSU an advantage.

So, prior to kickoff, the officials may have told OSU to do wtf you want, we will not call it unless it is totally blatant. If that were true, OSU would have won by 35 points. Did they? Why in the hell would they tell an announcer this? This board gets more insane by the day.

 

[fastlax16]

And nothing here deserves a closer look. The statement was the refs were going to let them play. It's a throw away statement in an evenly called game.
I get what you're trying to say but nothing from that statement is an alert to dig deeper. I think people see it that way because of past calls they feel targeted us.

If the quote from Klatt someone posted is actually what was said, I think its problematic on its face, you disagree thats fine.

Bigger picture, the game day officials should not be communicating anything at all with the media before the game. It serves no purpose. Nothing is gained with officials giving Klatt insights into anything they are doing, what was communicated by the league etc. If the league wants Joel Klatt to know what the league is communicating to officials, they should just publicly release those communications (maybe the do) and then we can assume everyone is in the loop.

On another note, if officials are talking to the media before the game, then they should be talking to the media after the game.

 

[The Spin Meister]

So, prior to kickoff, the officials may have told OSU to do wtf you want, we will not call it unless it is totally blatant. If that were true, OSU would have won by 35 points. Did they? Why in the hell would they tell an announcer this? This board gets more insane by the day.

The announcer said a couple times during the game…..like after a couple very blatant noncalls……that was what they were told . If you have issue with that don’t attack us, go ask the announcers.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

So, prior to kickoff, the officials may have told OSU to do wtf you want, we will not call it unless it is totally blatant. If that were true, OSU would have won by 35 points. Did they? Why in the hell would they tell an announcer this? This board gets more insane by the day.

Klatt said this is what the Officiating Crew told the FOX Broadcast Team (and said this as an explanation as to why obvious and blatant Holding AND Pass Interference by duhO$U d-backs went uncalled on consecutive 3rd Downs on PSU's 2nd & 3rd possessions) - so you're calling Klatt a liar?

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Refs should "let them play" in all games and generally do. We'd see a flag on every play otherwise.

I totally disagree. The rules have to be enforced, then behaviors would change based on real definitions of what is or is not a penalty.

Exactly how bad of a mugging should there be to draw a flag?

This is how pro basketball got so messed up, where a player can practically dunk the ball from mid court without taking a dribble. Pushing also became allowed such that a player like Shaquille O'Neal could just back into the defender and force his way from the top of the key to the basket. No calls. I won't watch the game anymore.

Blurry rules get corrupted and then it can lead to ruining of sport. You are wrong.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Klatt said this is what the Officiating Crew told the FOX Broadcast Team (and said this as an explanation as to why obvious and blatant Holding AND Pass Interference by duhO$U d-backs went uncalled on consecutive 3rd Downs on PSU's 2nd & 3rd possessions) - so you're calling Klatt a liar?

I am calling the whole idea total bullshi*. So this is the scenario:
1. The refs tell Klatt OSU has a free pass, OSU may have also been told that.
2. Klatt states this several times during the game.
3. OSU still only manages to win by 7 in spite of having an enormous advantage.

Do you honestly think if this were true any of these refs would still be employed by the B1G? Do you honestly think the BiG commissioner would still have his job?

Insane.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I totally disagree. The rules have to be enforced, then behaviors would change based on real definitions of what is or is not a penalty.

Exactly how bad of a mugging should there be to draw a flag?

This is how pro basketball got so messed up, where a player can practically dunk the ball from mid court without taking a dribble. Pushing also became allowed such that a player like Shaquille O'Neal could just back into the defender and force his way from the top of the key to the basket. No calls. I won't watch the game anymore.

Blurry rules get corrupted and then it can lead to ruining of sport. You are wrong.

Yep, Jordan taking four steps while palming the ball. Touch him and it’s a foul. But other guys get hammered and ****xip***.

I am calling the whole idea total bullshi*. So this is the scenario:
1. The refs tell Klatt OSU has a free pass, OSU may have also been told that.
2. Klatt states this several times during the game.
3. OSU still only manages to win by 7 in spite of having an enormous advantage.

Do you honestly think if this were true any of these refs would still be employed by the B1G? Do you honestly think the BiG commissioner would still have his job?

Insane.

So go on your board, say what Klat said….. and call him a liar there. Don’t come here and attack us,

 

[PSUSignore]

We're still bitching about calls from the OSU game? Let it go, it's over. There are several reasons we lost that game and the officiating isn't in the top 5.

 

[GSPMax]

We're still bitching about calls from the OSU game? Let it go, it's over.

Well no it is not over. There is history here and if you don't know history and address history, that history will be repeated.

Unless this inconsistency is addressed, this will happen again and again,

 

[Nbergbuck]

Yep, Jordan taking four steps while palming the ball. Touch him and it’s a foul. But other guys get hammered and ****xip***.

So go on your board, say what Klat said….. and call him a liar there. Don’t come here and attack us,

I don't know what Klatt said or did not say. Do keep in mind he makes his living by getting as many people as possible to pay attention to him. I simply tried to be a voice of reason and logic. If that offends you, so be it. I do not post on boards with a paywall, it is not worth the money.

 

[scrivener]

How is any of that negative?
It's like--I think Penn State should be ranked 3rd but I'm negative because I acknowledge their schedule is weak
You can be honest without being negative.

PurposePitch is sensitive to anything critical...and I wasn't even being that. I spoke of the fortunate calls that weren't made...how is that negative? lol.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I don't know what Klatt said or did not say. Do keep in mind he makes his living by getting as many people as possible to pay attention to him. I simply tried to be a voice of reason and logic. If that offends you, so be it. I do not post on boards with a paywall, it is not worth the money.

No, you attacked the board and insinuated that people lied about what he said. That’s not being a voice of reason.

Go watch the tape. You will hear what he said and see what a blatant non call it was.

Until you do you have no justification for commenting on this subject.

 

[LandoComando]

If the quote from Klatt someone posted is actually what was said, I think its problematic on its face, you disagree thats fine.

Bigger picture, the game day officials should not be communicating anything at all with the media before the game. It serves no purpose. Nothing is gained with officials giving Klatt insights into anything they are doing, what was communicated by the league etc. If the league wants Joel Klatt to know what the league is communicating to officials, they should just publicly release those communications (maybe the do) and then we can assume everyone is in the loop.

On another note, if officials are talking to the media before the game, then they should be talking to the media after the game.

It's not though but we can agree to disagree on that
We agree about them speaking to the media--not before--they should do it after

 

[LandoComando]

PurposePitch is sensitive to anything critical...and I wasn't even being that. I spoke of the fortunate calls that weren't made...how is that negative? lol.

Yeah I had no clue what you said that was negative--absolutely none

 

[africamurphy]

I’m not defending the refs. I think some of them are purposefully or inadvertently biased for OSU and UM always. (I also think we get bias against weak schools.)

But I was at my sons high school playoff game on Friday night… And as the refs walked in to the stadium, one Fan said let the boys play today, refs.

They didn’t say it because they wanted our team to get the advantage… They wanted the refs to not call a ton of penalties and influence the flow of the game…

So the context of the quote from the refs to Joel does matter a little bit…

 

[tjp013]

Our secondary is pretty aggressive you have to be, all rules and how they are interpreted favor the Offense. No reasonable evaluation though would conclude we hold as much as OSU, that said we run the wildcat 2 or 3 time with TW there is no goal line stand by the Bucks, we have to own that loss.

 

[africamurphy]

My frustration with replay (esp. the OSU loss) was the supposed standard: indisputable video evidence. That's why replay was created. To correct egregious calls. Blown calls. Calls that were missed by flawed humans (or maybe biased humans).

The Judkins fumble was case in point. If they called that an incomplete pass in real time, I think it should have stood. It was 50/50. If they called it a fumble in real time, it also should have stood. The point of replay isn't to allow a SEPARATE ref to make a judgment call. It's to CORRECT when mistakes are made.

The other call that fits in this category (maybe less controversially) is the interception at the end of the 1st half. It was not clear in the video that the ball was FIRM in his grasp while the foot was down. I cite the 2012 Nebraska Matt Leman goal line "fumble." They wanted to argue that is was NOT indisputable that he still had control of that ball (which was clearly across the goal line). Sure looked like it was firmly in his hand...but if you want to claim the burden of proof on a bang-bang play like that...if you're going for INDISPUTABLE...the OSU interception was not 100% clear and the Leman fumble was not 100% clear either.

People have always griped about officiating but this new CFB landscape and the money involved means we need a centralized reffing system like the NFL. Each league has too much at stake when their 9-0 "playoff contender" is about to get upset by a team with a losing record to be trusted to simply do what's "fair."

 

[Nbergbuck]

No, you attacked the board and insinuated that people lied about what he said. That’s not being a voice of reason.

Go watch the tape. You will hear what he said and see what a blatant non call it was.

Until you do you have no justification for commenting on this subject.

No, I attacked what I believe is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. That is a very serious allegation. I googled Klatt, OSU-PSU refs. The only thing that came up was this board. If this were true it would probably be all over media, the internet etc. It isn't. What conclusion does a logical person draw?

 

[The Spin Meister]

No, I attacked what I believe is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. That is a very serious allegation. I googled Klatt, OSU-PSU refs. The only thing that came up was this board. If this were true it would probably be all over media, the internet etc. It isn't. What conclusion does a logical person draw?

So you are now a self declared expert on the subject without ever watching the game?

Classic Buckeye you are.

 

[africamurphy]

Fact: Klatt said the refs told him before game they would let the players play (i.e. not call many penalties). The statement was made after a possible PI call that was not called in favor of PSU (by the OSU DB).

Opinion: There is a conspiracy to help OSU win.

 

[PurposePitch]

PurposePitch is sensitive to anything critical...and I wasn't even being that. I spoke of the fortunate calls that weren't made...how is that negative? lol.

Spanky, I didn't say this particular thing was negative ... I just find it hilarious that you of all people are trying to call for "balance and perspective" when you're just spewing negativity in virtually every post. I welcome valid criticism ... you just vomit nothing but mindless hate for the football team.

"Our team is just stupid ... so dumb"
"Our special teams sucks big time"
"What a total bust that guy is"
"This defense is so hard to like...most are just a bunch of undisciplined idiots."

That's a very tiny sampling ... from a solid win.

 

[Nbergbuck]

So you are now a self declared expert on the subject without ever watching the game?

Classic Buckeye you are.

Well, a little evidence outside of this board would be nice. After all, this would be a huge scandal.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Well, a little evidence outside of this board would be nice. After all, this would be a huge scandal.

How many times do you have to be told to watch the damn game?

 

[LandoComando]

How many times do you have to be told to watch the damn game?

He'd have to watch the game with your bias--that's impossible

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

How many times do you have to be told to watch the damn game?

His post that you responded to:

Well, a little evidence outside of this board would be nice. After all, this would be a huge scandal.

His response says it would be a huge scandal if true..... but anyone who watched the game knows that Joel Klatt absolutely said that the Officiating Crew told the B1G employed broadcaster's personnel (via the B1G's Media Company, BTN) that they were "going to let them play today" and used the reference multiple times to explain why no flag was thrown on plays the FOX Crew replayed and identified as clear and obvious penalties by the duhO$U d-backs but drew no flags (I believe he also made a reference to the Officials keeping their flags in their pockets). I find it quite amusing that the b1g know-it-all flatly states it would be a huge scandal if true - it absolutely is true - and it is not a scandal of any kind in this bush conference contrary to his declarative statement that it would be. Positively comical and only in this arrogant, self-righteous parochial conference.