"My name's Dewey Oxburger. My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed that, uh, I've got a slight weight problem."
As a Poke, Ox's "slight weight problem" would be being too slight.
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"My name's Dewey Oxburger. My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed that, uh, I've got a slight weight problem."
As a Poke, Ox's "slight weight problem" would be being too slight.
That's true, but you quoted the Tony Ramos post saying it didn't work Nico, etc.. so I took you literal.
That said, who knows why they didn't listen when the proof is so clearly in the pudding. I mean, there is no point in arguing that Terry Brands is one of the best (if not thee best) freestyle devleopmental coaches for lightweights in the United States.
That's true, but you quoted the Tony Ramos post saying it didn't work Nico, etc.. so I took you literal.
That said, who knows why they didn't listen when the proof is so clearly in the pudding. I mean, there is no point in arguing that Terry Brands is one of the best (if not thee best) freestyle devleopmental coaches for lightweights in the United States.
Zeke Moisey might disagree with you.
Meanwhile there is a pretty good bunch of lightweights at PSU right now.
Zeke Moisey might disagree with you.
Meanwhile there is a pretty good bunch of lightweights at PSU right now.
Why did Zeke Moisey do something in freestyle to any Hawkeye?
PSU certainly does have talent in the lightweights right now (though last year it ended with Gilman > Conaway and Clark > Gulibon if you were keeping track
), but I am curious to see how Cael addresses the future of his lightweights.
Wow, Zain TOTALLY dominated Sorenson! Then again...it's only freestyle, right?
Why did Zeke Moisey do something in freestyle to any Hawkeye?
PSU certainly does have talent in the lightweights right now (though last year it ended with Gilman > Conaway and Clark > Gulibon if you were keeping track
Funny, I could've sworn Gulibon beat Clark last year with a 4-pt throw. Also could've sworn Nico has a year left.
Nico is going to take apart Gilman if Thomas has any courage to wrestle or if Gilman is even alive in the winners bracket long enough at BIGs or NCAAs to see Nico, doubtful
I don't know what is so funny about that, but I seem to remember that Clark beat Gulibon at the NCAAs when it counted and made the Finals.
Also, nice strawman arguement about Nico.
Hey, leave the Iowa guys alone. They are going all in on 2017 recruiting. It's better than concentrating on not winning a NC this decade. Which looks to be a pretty good bet at this point.
Are we talking about the same Gilman that made the Big Ten finals and NCAA semifinals? It's not like he is a garbage wrestler. How is it doubtful that a guy that was in the Big Ten finals be doubtful at having a chance running into Nico in say the Big Ten semifinals? Seems pretty possible to me actually.
BTW, Clark and Gulibon had two GREAT matches last year and each had fine years. On any day, one could beat the other at this point, unfortunately I think we've seen the end of this rivalry. Both matches came down to the wire.
Funny, it was about this time last year when I made the argument about these two on the HR when everybody over there was taking Clark in an easy win over Gulibon. It culminated in a friendly bet with GG for wrestle for life (which I won, although I still made a contribution to a great cause) about the Gulibon-Clark dual match.
Funny, it was about this time last year when I made the argument about these two on the HR when everybody over there was taking Clark in an easy win over Gulibon. It culminated in a friendly bet with GG for wrestle for life (which I won, although I still made a contribution to a great cause) about the Gulibon-Clark dual match.
I would guess he is picking Nico to be the 1 seed, Tomasello the 2 and Gilman the 3 - which is certainly possible. But I do agree with your point, Gilman is no slouch. But most non Hawk fans are not picking him over Nico, no how, no way.
Which is fine, it just seemed odd to me to act like Gilman has had a poor showing by staying on the winning side of the bracket. I would never act like I know Gilman could go out and beat Nico (or Tomasello for that matter). I expect a battle and think Gilman will be right there. The last time these two wrestled the score was 4-1 in favor of Nico. Not to say Nico hasn't improved, but Gilman was much better as a sophomore than he was back in that match as a freshman.
Why did Zeke Moisey do something in freestyle to any Hawkeye?
PSU certainly does have talent in the lightweights right now (though last year it ended with Gilman > Conaway and Clark > Gulibon if you were keeping track
Funny, I could've sworn Gulibon beat Clark last year with a 4-pt throw. Also could've sworn Nico has a year left.
Umm ... "last year it ended" in clear reference to PSU's "talent in the lightweights" ... I'm not refunding my Project Literacy Scholarship for how that was written.
Bow and Arrow's are SEKKSY! Can't wait to see zPain inflict a few of those this year.
In wrestling it is not uncommon when two wrestlers that have met head to head, they use the most recent meeting. Also Clark finished higher at both the NCAAs and the Big Tens. I feel just fine with the way the season ended, saying Clark was the better wrestler. He got a got the last win in the series and made it farther in the two touraments they both competed in.
In wrestling 3rd > 6th and 2nd is > 5th.
Yes, that was my thinking, Nico and NATO being the 1 and 2. Gilman is good, I just don't see him in the top tier. Also some other quality at 125 could easily get in Thomas way before he reaches a Nico. Yes, Gilman is a fine wrestker but I believe Nico is about to take it next level and finish in style like Matt Brown did.
I agree with you on this - although I feel like either could win in a match, but Clark got the last laugh.
This logic should work both ways, although most of the times the "fan" in people don't allow them to see this.
Personally, I try not to weigh one, or the most recent tournament, too heavily. In the matter of Clark/Gulibon, I would be of the opinion that they are of similar ability and have difficulty picking between them if they would meet again (I don't think they will). To use an another example, I would still rate J'Den Cox above McIntosh, and probably have to pick Cox in a rematch if I had a gun to my head (although in any other circumstance, I'm picking McIntosh).
But I get the other side of the argument.
For me, most matchups I like to rate with the "10 matches." Really hard to beat a wrestler 10 times in a row even if you are clearly superior. Gulibon/Clark - 5 to 5, maybe you could argue 6 to 4. Cox/McIntosh - I still got 7 to 3 Cox right now. Gilman/Conaway - I'm thinking 8 to 2 or 9 to 1 although they are close. Nico/Gilman - I'm thinking the same thing.
Thank you for the refresher course. None of which bolsters "the talent ended."
The error is mine, I worded my statement in a way that it could be misconstrued. I said that PSU did have talent at the lightweights. The parenthetical portion was supposed to read: At the conclusion of the season, Gilman and Clark were superior to Conaway and Gulibon, since the Hawk wrestlers won the very important matches that counted at the NCAAs, and both finished higher on the podium at both tournaments than their PSU counterparts. It was not supposed to be a reflection that I thought talent at PSU lightweights has ended, which I believe is the way it was taken.
Now, I believe this thread has been derailed long enough.
Lee in folk over Fix.
I'm still not sure how Jimmy failed to convert 2 great shots against Clark at NCAAs. He gave up counter TDs, fell behind, then couldn't come all the way back.
Is it just me, or are the derailed threads always the most interesting and the most full of actual wrestling discussion???
Amen.
On to the more pressing question: when (not if) Okie State backpedals the full 60 yds from the center stripe thru the end zone, does Iowa get 2 pts for the safety?
Especially when Iowa wouldn't even have to push.Not sure how I feel about a two point pushout rule..
