Our Passing Game vs ND's

[fastlax16]

USC put up 557 yards of Total Offense.... and you're trying to claim 70 rushing yards on their Final Possession explains why they had so many yards (i.e., if you deduct their last possession - a 5 play 75 yard TD - why precisely you would do this is a bit of a mystery..., but even if you take away their final TD, USC put up 482 yards of Total Offense!!)... talk about ridiculous! None of the stats point to the utter bullshit you're trying to sell. ND didn't stop USC's Offense BEFORE or after USC's last possession! USC moved the ball consistently against ND's Defense all day long.

BTW, your claim that USC choose to run out the clock on final possession is more of your tripe and made-up bullshit.... USC scored in under a minute on their last possession! They got the ball after the 2nd Pick-6 with only 1:18 left.... and they scored in 5 plays with time remaining on the clock!

And they did this with a backup QB (sensing a trend).

Louisville's last TD to pull within 1 score was almost all through the air as well. QB was 7-10 for 82 yards and a TD on that drive. Then after forcing a 3 and out Louisville ran on 3 consecutive plays to start their next drive before turning it over on downs to ice that game.

If we fall behind, they can be thrown on.

 

[Get Nasty]

Ah yes the outcome of the first drive of the game was as distorting to the outcome as 199 yards worth of pick 6s on back to back drives in what was a 1 score game late in the fourth...

Penn State put a true freshman under center with 11 minutes left in the SMU game (gifting SMU their only TD). When was Leonard pulled against USC since these game flows were similarly misleading?

Leonard didn't play the last 6 minutes vs USC......... I'll help ya, ND didn't have the ball the last 6 minutes.

My point is 2 pick 6's at the end or beginning count towards the score, and both pick 6's were extremely critical to the outcome.

 

[Get Nasty]

USC didn’t rack up almost 600 yards in total offense in garbage time. I watched the game. Are you sure you did?

Wow, way to completely change what I said. Where do I talk about USCs total yards? The garbage time yardage that I clearly reference is their 70 yards rushing in the last minute.

But if you'd like to discuss yardage, USC had half of their yards in the fourth quarter after ND went up 14. ND did a terrible job in prevent D, and it almost cost them.

 

[fastlax16]

Leonard didn't play the last 6 minutes vs USC......... I'll help ya, ND didn't have the ball the last 6 minutes.

My point is 2 pick 6's at the end or beginning count towards the score, and both pick 6's were extremely critical to the outcome.

That was the point...

Should have been able to pull him earlier if the impact on the game was the same...

But its not because two pick 6s in the first quarter changes game flow in a way two pick 6s in the final 4 minutes can't, because there isn't enough time after them to have that kind of impact.

 

[Get Nasty]

USC put up 557 yards of Total Offense.... and you're trying to claim 70 rushing yards on their Final Possession explains why they had so many yards (i.e., if you deduct their last possession - a 5 play 75 yard TD - why precisely you would do this is a bit of a mystery..., but even if you take away their final TD, USC put up 482 yards of Total Offense!!)... talk about ridiculous! None of the stats point to the utter bullshit you're trying to sell. ND didn't stop USC's Offense BEFORE or after USC's last possession! USC moved the ball consistently against ND's Defense all day long.

BTW, your claim that USC choose to run out the clock on final possession is more of your tripe and made-up bullshit.... USC scored in under a minute on their last possession! They got the ball after the 2nd Pick-6 with only 1:18 left.... and they scored in 5 plays with time remaining on the clock!

Wow you are a something, trying to change my points.

When do I talk about USC's total yardage, only you are doing that? I touched on the USC rushing stats being misleading due to the last minute.

I'll help you out, if a team is down 21 points with one minute left in the game and they get the ball at their 25 with no timeouts, and rush the ball 4 times in a row, they are good with letting the clock run out. ND players clearly were not focused or gap sound, nds fault, and it caused a late TD when USC wasn't even going to try and get one.

My point was that USC didn't rush all over ND that game, they threw 50/50 balls over and over, and wrs made great catches on a bunch. It's a strategy penn state may use, we'll see.

 

[Get Nasty]

That was the point...

Should have been able to pull him earlier if the impact on the game was the same...

But its not because two pick 6s in the first quarter changes game flow in a way two pick 6s in the final 4 minutes can't, because there isn't enough time after them to have that kind of impact.

That's fine, i thought you were trying to challenge the score being legit.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Do you believe ND can shut down Penn State's run game? If so, why?

That’s a bit of a loaded question. What would constitute shutting down PSU’s run game?

Can they shut down PSU’s run game? Sure. Anyone can shut down anyone’s run game. Do I think they will? I don’t know. I imagine ND will do a halfway decent job at least (not get run all over for like 225+ yards).

 

[fastlax16]

That's fine, i thought you were trying to challenge the score being legit.

It's legit, but the idea that the timing is irrelevant isn't. USC played ND close with their backup QB for about 56 minutes before things went sideways.

Things went sideways for SMU pretty much immediately, and you have no idea what would have happened in the next 3 quarters otherwise. The game script is different, could have been closer, could have been a bigger blowout, Allar could have broken his hand on a play, who knows.

People do this all the time with missed kicks in close losses adding the points from misses early in the game into the score. Kept hearing about the 6 points being added back to Boise's score. What if Singleton runs the kickoff back on one of those misses, he's done it before.

Lets say Ohio State beat Oregon by 1 point. If Oregon missed a 50 yard fg to go ahead as time expires. Can you say Oregon wins the game if they make that field goal. Yes.

What about a 1 point OSU win but Oregon misses a 50 yard field goal halfway through the first quarter instead of at the end of the 4th. Can you say Oregon wins if they make that FG? Absolutely not, the entire game from that point on changes. You can't just assume everything plays out exactly the same, because it's impossible for it to be. From the first play after the miss onward its a different game.

We have a better idea of what ND/USC looks like without those 2 pick 6s because we got 56 minutes of it. The first 56 minutes don't change.

 

[bourbon n blues]

ND was up 21 with a minute to go, and USC was willing to run out the clock, and popped a few runs.

It was NOT a pretty game for ND, no doubt, but they led almost the entire way.

Could say the same thing about the SMU game. SMU was driving and had an easy td to go up 7-0, then next 2 possessions pick 6's, and made the game easy. Penn state was clearly the better team, but SMU wasn't as bad as the score.

You're as always as bad as the score, because your team either scored those points or gave up those points. The football game is 60 minutes not the first half or the middle quarters .

 

[ryoder1]

That’s a bit of a loaded question. What would constitute shutting down PSU’s run game?

Can they shut down PSU’s run game? Sure. Anyone can shut down anyone’s run game. Do I think they will? I don’t know. I imagine ND will do a halfway decent job at least (not get run all over for like 225+ yards).

Under 150?

 

[FightingIrish44]

Under 150?

I would guess no. I think PSU will finish with 150+ rushing yards. 150 is a tough number to pick over/under. I think PSU finishes between 125-175 rushing yards.

Stats don’t tell the whole story though. If ND holds PSU under 150, that doesn’t automatically mean that ND shut down the PSU run game.

 

[jjw165]

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

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Ya know I've always felt Drew is overly cautious (which has caused indecision and to be slow), but it appears his conservatism has paid off - especially his turnover performance.... Hard not to like these numbers.

 

[fastlax16]

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Can't believe we let Beau geau for this... /s

 

[fastlax16]

Yes ND's has been shutting down the run game but Indiana's ranked like 65 in rushing offense and UGA is around 100.

I think ND's rush d is appreciably worse than SMUs so I'd be surprised if they shut us down considering what we did to SMU in a game where we took all the air out of the ball.

SMU allows 30 fewer YPG and has the 4th lowest YPC in the country, and that includes their game against us.

Since ND plays an acc-lite schedule they've got 4 common opponents. L'Ville. FSU. Stanford and UVA.

SMU held 3 of the 4 to significantly fewer rushing yards, and lower ypc
UVA 65 to 128
FSU 63 to 120
Stanford 33 to 113

4th game was even.
Louisville ran for 1 more yard on 1 fewer carry against SMU. 132 vs 131.

I'm sure our friends from South Bend will have an explanation.

 

[lazydave841]

I'm sure our friends from South Bend will have an explanation

Excellent data.

 

[wilbury]

I think ND's rush d is appreciably worse than SMUs so I'd be surprised if they shut us down considering what we did to SMU in a game where we took all the air out of the ball.

SMU allows 30 fewer YPG and has the 4th lowest YPC in the country, and that includes their game against us.

Since ND plays an acc-lite schedule they've got 4 common opponents. L'Ville. FSU. Stanford and UVA.

SMU held 3 of the 4 to significantly fewer rushing yards, and lower ypc
UVA 65 to 128
FSU 63 to 120
Stanford 33 to 113

4th game was even.
Louisville ran for 1 more yard on 1 fewer carry against SMU. 132 vs 131.

I'm sure our friends from South Bend will have an explanation.

Good stats. I'm not calling for a blow out for either side, but there are certainly a lot of questions and concerns for ND and their fans won't even acknowledge that they exist.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Good stats. I'm not calling for a blow out for either side, but there are certainly a lot of questions and concerns for ND and their fans won't even acknowledge that they exist.

This is ridiculous. Where do you get this? I feel like I’ve fairly frequently seen false attributions to the ND fanbase’s confidence on this board. I imagine most ND fans believe ND will win just like most PSU fans believe PSU will win. I haven’t seen any blowout predictions — just one 2 TD win prediction on our board.

All year ND fans have been ragging on ND’s passing game and Leonard’s throwing ability. The lack of big time WR’s. It’s hard to win games when you only throw for 90 yards like ND did against Georgia. Injuries are a concern and some ND fans are waiting for the dam to break.

Everybody acknowledges that Warren is a stud. Earlier in the season, some ND fans ragged on PSU’s schedule. Not me. Only two G5 opponents and lost a very tight game to Ohio State. I’ve thought Penn State was a good team for quite some time now.

There are plenty of questions and concerns for ND.

 

[Get Nasty]

I'm too busy with work today and tomorrow to spend anytime on message boards.

But just wanted to say I have a lot of respect for Penn State the school and program. I hope for a good game, and both teams leave it all out there and no major injuries!

Enjoy!

Go Irish!