We did give up big plays vs USC but in general I agree that we are pretty solid at forcing teams to drive the field
Our Passing Game vs ND's
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Wrong, passing ypg allowed is only one, of many statistics, that can be used. In FACT, most knowledgable football people understand Completion Percentage the far greater determinant of Passing Defense dominance (Especially when difference in passing YPG is like 10 or 15 yards.... but difference in Completion % is 50% versus 60%.... accompanied with 50% Completion % with 18 INTs vs 60% Completion % with only 9 INTs).
You're utterly full of $hit that the difference in schedules explain this. I don't care what schedule you play - 14 games, 100% D1A (i.e., FBS) and you have a 50% Completion % and 18 INTs is insanely impressive... and I don't care who you played! Good example is Indiana (who played on avg - and BEAT - absolutely no one, is #10 in FBS in Passing YPG Allowed (176 ypg), but allowed a 62.5% Comp %, which is Bottom Quartile in FBS! (also only 11 INTs for Indiana - well down the list).
PSU is a good example - as many have pointed out, PSU has played tons of bad b1g teams and a weak non-conference schedule.... did it greatly elevate our Defensive Passing Completion % of 60%??? The answer is, no it didn't. Allowing a 50% Comp % is insanely impressive.... and I don't care who you play especially if 100% of the teams are FBS. Using unbiased sources, ND's SOS is not that much different than PSU's or duhO$U's - and is infinitely better than Indiana's.
Huh? The only part of your incoherent ramble that I understood is a point about completion percent allowed. And even there, you made my point.
They have two NFL corners, I’m not debating that. But based on their schedule, who gave them their biggest challenge of the season? Louisville (#30).
A&M, Louisville, 2 Service Academies, NIU, FSU, Georgia Tech, Georgia (2nd string QB) - these are the top teams ND faced. Are any of them good? No (maybe Georgia with a QB). And none of them pass the ball particularly good. I’m saying it’s hard to gauge just how good ND actually is, especially in the secondary, based on their schedule.
We said the same thing about SMU’s potent offense and Boise’s rush attack in Jeanty.
USC was by far the best passing team they faced. They threw for 360. They mostly played from behind and also had 2 pick 6s, but they threw successfully.
Does that mean we will throw on them? No.
Do their stats mean we can't? No. They hardly played anybody who could throw effectively.
It's going to be a good matchup.
Too funny - let me use your lame, specious argument just like yours.... in their first game, duhO$U gave up 341 passing yards to Oregon on 23-31 passing (74% Comp%), 0 INTs and gave up a 97.2 QBR rating that day. duhO$U's Passing Defense clearly sucks according to you (ND gave up 360 yards on 27 of 49 passing [54% Comp%) and 2 INTs [both Pick-6s] and the USC QB had a QBR of 78.4.).
Selectively choosing one game is ridiculous. Beyond that, USC's QBR of 78.4 that day is just plain bad. I can almost guarantee you we lose if Drew throws 2 picks even if they aren't both Pick-6s.
They are a good defense, but you are bending and twisting to make the argument that they are "special". Several of us disagree.
Why some people choose to assume the little bitch posture with every single opponent is beyond me. Some of you would have liked to have had the rest of us worried about all of West Virginia, Illinois, USC, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Washington, Minnesota, Maryland, Oregon, SMU, and Boise. But in the end we had a damn fine season, and the stress (single digit wins or losing by a score) in some of those games will likely pay dividends moving forward.
Notre dame is having a good season aided by good talent and a quirky schedule, but they aren't proven to be on the same level as prior years' SEC teams, Ohio State, etc., so I refuse to fret over this all week. But to each his own!
The key to their O is that QB he is the heart and soul of their O they need to hit him so hard and so often his socks fly off. They need to pound his stumpy little Leprechaun size ass into the turf. Put him down deep with the earth worms every time he tries to do his little scamp about.
Yeah, he makes no sense. Their defense is good, no doubt. They'll give us trouble. But it's impossible to overlook their schedule.
This lays out pretty well for us. They think they are world beaters having won vs. Indiana (who isn't as good as Boise) and then vs. Georgia with a back up QB, wide receivers who have been mocked all year for dropping passes and an offensive line that's been a liability all season. Having seen all of the bowls playout, the SEC in general looks pretty bad so how good how much of a barometer are they?
If we can control the run game including their running QB, we'll be fine. If we can get ahead early, they're in trouble because their passing game isn't good.
A real problem that he still has not overcome. How many times have certain indiiduals on this board said, Drew cant see the field. This is supported by the numerous throws that were not made because Drew doesn't see.
Yep. This is PSUs glaring offensive weakness. Allar lacking in this area and scheme does not help lacking short routes.
So Allar is basically an offensive weakness. How can he still be struggling to set protections. Hey lets face it, Allar is protected and no matter what Beau did he wasn't going to get the nod. What I figured.
I mean, he basically says Allar is elite in the video--protection is based on coaching--AK & company need to upcoach if it is a weakness
So weak nfl scouts are praying he leaves early. Half our fanbase would hang themselves with a qb like Notre Dame’s.
If you watched the Bengals-Steelers game last night, Cincy had a great game plan to get the ball out fast, especially in the first half; Burrow threw a lot quick passes to his backs.
Most of PSU’s pass routes are too slow to develop, and admittedly Allar doesn’t always make fast decisions when the play simply isn’t going to work.
That's true of almost all QBs though. Russell Wilson is 36 and has been in the NFL forever and he still on occasion holds the ball too long. Great QBs are risky because Drew's always going to look for a big play. He trusts his arm and isn't afraid to take a hit. Sometimes that's great. Sometimes he should have dumped the ball off the the check down (see the SMU game with Allen) but that's never going to go away completely. Especially with our scheme.
They’re not. The general consensus is PSU will hang for a while, then fold under their pressure.
"Usc dominated them for 3.5 quarters. Granted that's a completely different offense than ND. But Minnesota took them to task too. PSU supposedly has an elite run d but they haven't played a power run offense like ours. If we can run the ball on them they are in for a long day."
"Irish win 24-14.
None of PSU’s victories impress me enough to think they’ll be able to do much against our defense besides 1-2 breakout runs by Allen and/or Singleton.
PSU goes up 7-0 early but a combination of long run heavy drives from the offense, turnovers and clutch special teams plays make it 24-7 by the end of the 3rd quarter. PSU scores in the 4th but it’s too little too late.
Tbh I’m more confident in this game than I was IU or UGA."
"38-17 with a garbage time TD. We run it down their throats until they go all out to stop us then Leonard throws for a couple. Also one pick 6 once they get down and start chucking prayers."
"Bowling Green USC Minnesota
All of these teams played Penn State within one touchdown. Minnesota took them to OT. USC got beat due to last second field goal.
But, Penn State also played Ohio St and Oregon within 1 touchdown, losing both.
They are a hair away from losing 5 games like Minnesota.
With that said, I can’t picture them within 2 TDs.
Edit: if you have 11 minutes watch the highlights of the Minnesota game bc I think it provides a lot of insight on how to beat Penn State. It also shows what Penn State is good at when they move their offense.
ND 42 PSU 21"
More like Wallace tried to catch it with the back of his hand and it fell in the OSU defender’s hands. He definitely did not take it away. He barely knew where it was.
All season long the media actually said Georgia was unwatchable. If not for GaTech laying down at the end of the game, we wouldn’t be having this conversation about GA.
Mystery how they beat Texas twice.
Even if they lost to GA Tech they'd be the 2 seed unless they also lost to Texas
The GA Tech game only mattered in the sense with a loss they had to beat Texas to get in.
It’s all about matchups. Right now, I worry about ND’s blitz package. We did not fair well against Boise State’s blitz package, ND’s is probably better. A lot of twisting, slanting and stunts. We also did not seem to be prepared with hot receivers.
No way ND scores 42 points. We would have to have 5 or 6 turnovers for that to happen. They may beat us in a game similar to Ohio State, but they won’t score 42 points.
Imo, they won’t fall for the same thing twice. I’m sure they’re more than aware that ND will blitz hard. Hoping we burn them a few times and make them hesitant to be so blitz-happy, which would essentially take them out of their defensive game plan. Here’s to hope 🍻
Hard to believe their talking up USC??? USC dominated us??? We put up 518 yards of Total Offense against USC (they only had 409 Total Offensive yards against us). USC put up 557 yards of Total Offense on ND (while ND only put up 436 yards of Offense on USC). So it's rather mysterious what this poster is talking about as it's the diametric opposite of what he's claiming.
They only look at the USC game through the final score differential. Two Score win > OT.
ND needs to win the turnover battle to beat us.
I would describe them as confident they will win. Most will admit it will be close and a tough game. Some are overly confident but in aggregate they are definitely more confident about ND winning than we are about PSU winning. Typical arrogance from Notre Dump. The school is way overrated academically if you study those bs U.S. News and World Report rankings and the football program is typically overrated year in and year out.
They are confident they will shut down our run game.
They have a lot of faith in Riley having success running and want that to be a key part of the gameplan.
They don't think we have faced a power run offense like them and they can go on long sustained drives against us.
Of course they think we have nothing at WR and believe we will have no success passing to WRs. Their secondary will shut us down.
They are concerned about Warren and say they need to contain him. They believe they can.
They point to USC, Bowling Green and Minny as blue prints on how to beat us and say that since all those games were close that we are not that good.
This of course comes from their arrogant annoying, whiney fan base. You can be sure the actual ND coaches and team are not taking us lightly.
ND hasn't needed to throw much the last 12 games. They've only been down just a few minutes in that time frame.
ND's best WR is Faison, he got injured 2nd series vs A&M, first game of the year, and was out a few weeks. He wasn't fully healthy until a few weeks ago, and he looked awesome their last few games. Super quick WR, and gets open better than any WR on either team.
It definitely is a valid question, if PSU can force ND to throw, how does their passing operation stand up? IMO, ND has better WRs when you look at top 6, they just don't throw much so stats aren't there, and riley leonard isn't as good as allar as a passer. Obviously, PSU has Warren, ND's very good TE hasn't been himself this year coming off ACL surgery.
As an ND fan, I hope they run Riley early and often. Our offense is so much better when he runs. But it seems like Denbrock has protected him to keep him healthy. It wasn't until the 4th or 5th series vs georgia where there was a called run for him. ND fans, myself included, think ND felt that their D would hold Indiana and Georgia down therefor didn't have to take many risks offensively. We'll see early in the game if ND is running leonard and looking to attack at all through the air.
The most likely scenario for Penn State offensively is they hope allar reads the D correctly to identify 1-1 matchups, the oline holds up just long enough, and penn state takes a bunch of shots hoping to hit a few or get PIs. Penn state did NOT do that vs OSU, and struggled to move the ball a lot. ND has very very aggressive corners that can cover, but there are 50/50 balls to be had. The other thing, is obviously, penn state hopes their window dressing confuses the other team causing busted gaps or coverage.
Should be a great game. Curious to see how Penn State handles the physicality of the game. They haven't been in a really physical athletic game like this since OSU. Oregon just isn't physical like OSU, ND, Indiana, Michigan, Penn State. Minnesota is physical but just doesn't have physical top athletes that will be on display thursday.
ND's best WR is Faison, he got injured 2nd series vs A&M, first game of the year, and was out a few weeks. He wasn't fully healthy until a few weeks ago, and he looked awesome their last few games. Super quick WR, and gets open better than any WR on either team.
It definitely is a valid question, if PSU can force ND to throw, how does their passing operation stand up? IMO, ND has better WRs when you look at top 6, they just don't throw much so stats aren't there, and riley leonard isn't as good as allar as a passer. Obviously, PSU has Warren, ND's very good TE hasn't been himself this year coming off ACL surgery.
As an ND fan, I hope they run Riley early and often. Our offense is so much better when he runs. But it seems like Denbrock has protected him to keep him healthy. It wasn't until the 4th or 5th series vs georgia where there was a called run for him. ND fans, myself included, think ND felt that their D would hold Indiana and Georgia down therefor didn't have to take many risks offensively. We'll see early in the game if ND is running leonard and looking to attack at all through the air.
The most likely scenario for Penn State offensively is they hope allar reads the D correctly to identify 1-1 matchups, the oline holds up just long enough, and penn state takes a bunch of shots hoping to hit a few or get PIs. Penn state did NOT do that vs OSU, and struggled to move the ball a lot. ND has very very aggressive corners that can cover, but there are 50/50 balls to be had. The other thing, is obviously, penn state hopes their window dressing confuses the other team causing busted gaps or coverage.
Should be a great game. Curious to see how Penn State handles the physicality of the game. They haven't been in a really physical athletic game like this since OSU. Oregon just isn't physical like OSU, ND, Indiana, Michigan, Penn State. Minnesota is physical but just doesn't have physical top athletes that will be on display thursday.
I'd say USC played their best game all season versus us with their starting QB. They went downhill after that.
That's why I'm wondering how good Texas actually is. It's entirely possible none of the SEC teams are very good this year.
Execution wasn't the problem against BSU, it was identification.
Is your talent on the D-Line as good as Ohio State? Are you easily going to stop any kind of Penn State rushing attack? How many good passing teams have you faced? Have you seen a TE even in the same stratosphere as Warren? Do you have a safety like Caleb Downs? How does Allar compare to the Georgia QB? Have you faced a one two tandem of running backs like Allen and Singleton? Consider these questions with your ND friends.
