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Our Passing Game vs ND's
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What source?
ESPN has Notre Dame's SOS (31) closer to SMU (40) and Indiana (35) than ours (17) or Ohio State (8).
Teamrankings.com had ND around 30 before the playoffs began.
espn is absurdly biased (or ignorant and don’t know hot to rank schedules) and not to be trusted, evidenced by Indiana being 103 at some point. There’s no way that 30 G5 schools had a stronger schedule than Indiana.
They are also apparently ignoring the Love injury, which was apparent to anyone watching that game. He was limited at best before being completely shut down/off the field.
Indiana missed many of the best Big 10 squads, and had a complete dogshit out of conference schedule.
And lots of teams with a brand new Coach and lots of transfers benefit from a lack of advance scoutinf/film for one year, before everyone catches up eventually.
Only someone trying to pump up a win over Indiana would say what you said.
No sir, I have respect for playing 9 or 10 Power 4 opponents. People ragged on Penn State for not playing anybody, but I recognized that they played 10 Power 4 opponents.
Indiana did miss Oregon, Penn State, and Illinois, and were fortunate to do so, but playing a bunch of Washington’s, UCLA’s, and Nebraska’s is much more difficult than playing USF’s schedule (ranked #27 at one point) or any other G5’s schedule.
That’s why espn’s strength of schedule rankings are garbage.
Indiana missed every team that finished with a winning record in conference play except for OSU and Michigan (Oregon, Penn State, OSU, Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota). They also missed 2 of the 3 teams that finished 4-5 (USC, Rutgers). They played Michigan (5-4), Washington (4-5), Nebraska (3-6), Mich State (3-6), UCLA (3-6), Northwestern (2-7), Maryland (1-8) and Purdue (0-9)
Rank NDs toughest games.
NIU USC, A&M, Louisville, Army, Navy, Indiana playing a starting qb with a torn ACL, UGA with a backup QB making his first career start.
Please read my post above (#87). I wasn’t getting into ND’s schedule or comparing schedules other than to demonstrate that espn’s strength of schedule ranking is trash.
Do you believe that around 40 Group of 5 schools played a more difficult schedule than Indiana (Indiana was around 103 late in the season)? I sure as heck don’t.
You were responding to my post, which was about Notre Dame's SOS. Indiana's final SOS was 35th. Do you think it should have been higher? The highest rated MAC school in their final SOS was Akron at 56 (Akron played OSU, Rutgers, South Carolina).
This is the "best"? Based on what? Recruiting ranking? "Eye test"?
2024 27/325/1
2023 19/322/4
I wasn’t getting into that but was addressing your post to the other guy about unbiased sources. I feel that espn is tremendously biased and/or inaccurate.
I can’t speak to currently, but feel that espn’s ranking is trash on the basis that they had Indiana #103 late in the season and USF #27 at the same time.
TeamRankings.com Weekly Indiana SOS.
1- 91
2- 99
3- 78
4- 91
5- 68
6- 67
7- 71
8- 61
9- 64
10- 59
11- 56
12- 62
13- 38
14- 42
Back to something more relevant. I think we're the best team ND has played this season. The same isn't true in reverse unless you're going to argue ND is better than Oregon and OSU.
Simple eye test. He's a very very difficult cover and just getting back into form end of the season. Again, only talking about WRs here. Warren is obviously the biggest receiving threat on either team.
Georgia in most power rankings is/was ahead of Oregon and Penn State.
2024 College Football Power Index - ESPN
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Penn State is a good team, almost every ND fan realizes this. But ND has beat 3 teams with better power rankings than PSU's best win (SMU). Penn State gets a lot of credit for not getting beat bad by OSU and Oregon. This is a different OSU team right now than when PSU played them.
That’s why I brought up Teamrankings — to demonstrate that they’re much better than espn’s rankings who had Indiana at 103 around Nov 18 — which is absurd. Team rankings SOS is more accurate, agree?
I think Georgia is probably better than Penn State but not by much. That’s no dig at Penn State as I was arguing for Penn State to be ahead of Texas with a few weeks remaining in the season.
At this point, ND does not appear to be as good as Oregon or Ohio State based on the regular season and playoff résumés. Prior to the playoffs, I would have said that ND is better than Ohio State because they had lost to Michigan and Oregon.
They are ignoring a lot of things and blindly rounding up for Notre Dump. Based on their ridiculous assessments they would beat us 9 out of 10 games if not all 10.
Aaah.
Eye tests are for douchebags like Herbstreit.
And you're right, ESPN is biased: They are really trying to talk up Notre Dame this week.
Ya think Notre Dame is not as good as Ohio State? Now there is some blistering insight.
Why are you being sarcastic? I was just politely responding to a question even though I didn’t think it had anything to do with the topic at hand.
I never said anything about ESPN being biased. My take on both teams WRs has nothing to do with ESPN.
A better gauge in a few years (Faison is a soph) is if/where he's drafted compared to any PSU WR on this years team and where they are drafted.
Georgia in most power rankings is/was ahead of Oregon and Penn State.
2024 College Football Power Index - ESPN
View the 2024 College Football power index on ESPN. The FPI is the best predictor of a team's performance going forward for the rest of the season.www.espn.com
Penn State is a good team, almost every ND fan realizes this. But ND has beat 3 teams with better power rankings than PSU's best win (SMU). Penn State gets a lot of credit for not getting beat bad by OSU and Oregon. This is a different OSU team right now than when PSU played them.
So you're saying Georgia with a backup QB making his first career start is a tougher matchup. Ok.
I think you're being disingenuous, or disrespectful, if you think UGA with Gunner Stockton in his first career start is better than Penn State.
Well, if you want to use numbers, what it says is georgia with another loss and their backup is considered a better team than PSU.
I'm expecting a good tough game. Probably turnovers being the most important stat like most big games.
Not really, because just because a player is good for the college game it doesn't necessarily translate to Pros. And some underperformers get to the NFL and excel.
One of Penn State's best group of Receivers was Deon Butler, Jordan Norwood, and Derrick Williams, but they didn't do much in the pros.
I personally hate the NFL, so your measuring stick is meaningless to me.
One of Penn State's best group of Receivers was Deon Butler, Jordan Norwood, and Derrick Williams, but they didn't do much in the pros.
I personally hate the NFL, so your measuring stick is meaningless to me.
Might be, might not be. There's 30-40 other players that have huge impacts and roles but yes QB many times can be the most important. Allar and Stockton were both big QB recruits in the 2022 class. Yes Allar obviously has had a much bigger impact to date, and has much higher draft stock at this point. Penn State might be without their top 5 draft pick Carter.
Georgia came back to beat Texas and win the SEC championship with Stockton at QB, and kirby/Georgia had almost 4 weeks to get stockton prepared (2 weeks of knowing their opponent was ND).
There are some ND fans and Penn state fans that think their teams is just going to whip the other team. Cool. I'm expecting a good tough game, and if it's not close in the fourth quarter, it's probably due to one team having more turnovers.
I’m not being disingenuous. I even made a point to mention that I thought PSU was better than Texas. Stockton had a solid to very good game against ND in my opinion.
Georgia was the #2 team going into this tournament. There’s nothing unreasonable about believing Georgia is better than Penn State.
that was the good ole SEC bias. That GT game opened my eyes. I thought Georgia could beat them and they did. as for this game? I fall on the PSU side as an alum and a fan, but I see how ND could win. I think it most likely will be rather close, with possibly PSU running away with it if ND makes mistakes. I think PSU can catch up if they fall behind better than ND however I think it's close.
FPI still includes Georgia's performances with Beck in those calculations, they don't just wipe him off the board and hypothetically insert Stockton. FPI also has Bama 4th so yea.
I think it will be close, but I don't see ND winning without winning the turnover margin.
Can Notre Dame run (including Leonard) on Penn State and can ND shut down Penn State's run game.? There lies the answer to who will win. That and can ND limit Tyler Warren?
If beck had continued playing, high probability their numbers would be worse off. Their fan base was more confident in stockton than Beck.
I think either team will have a tough time winning if the other team has a clear turnover advantage.
I think that's both teams game plans or what they are trying to do. The other one is always turnovers.
Good point about PSU being more equipped to come from behind. ND’s OL is not the strength of the team and thus affects the pass game. Lots of ND fans don’t seem to understand this and put the blame on Leonard though he struggles at times as well.
100% agree on there being an SEC bias, but who should have been #2 in place of Georgia? I don’t see how any two loss team could make a legitimate case. That would leave 11-1 ND or 11-1 Indiana, and I don’t think many would be okay with that.
You read their board, they are fairly confident across the board that they can shut down our running game.
Every fanbase loves the back up. You have people here wishing we had Pribula while Allar is playing himself into potential QB1 draft status.
Stockton may very well end up better than Beck, but he wasn't/isnt in his first career start. Otherwise Kirby would have been starting him sooner.
He got strip-sacked as he was about to throw. The LT was beaten badly. That wasn’t Stockton’s fault. Beck is actually the one who had some rough games with turnovers. It’s entirely possible that Beck could have played a worse game just like ND’s backup QB might have beaten Northern Illinois. That’s football.
Stop. Beck would have won that game.
You are clearly over here to bend and twist everything to make your squad sound amazing. I get that as a fan, but I will never understand coming to another team's board to masturbate verbally.
So the consensus best active coach in college football has been starting the wrong qb. Got it.
You thought that I was being disingenuous or disrespectful then you make a comment like this. I didn’t claim that Stockton was a better QB.
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