Keep carrying on about it though, you are coming off great.
Limegrover out.
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enough with the bickering. Those that seem to be in an endless loop of an argument, please step back, and stop.
Because if you coached you would know that what you taught and instilled all year doesn’t go away the first game you stop coaching. What if Rahne would have missed a game due to illness? Would that not have been his win? The players ran what they learned from Rahne all year, they didn’t change the whole playbook and revamp the entire offense...that win was more Rahne’s than Bowen’s.
Now compare that to what you guys are doing which is reading Franklin’s mind and deciding what he was thinking....the two are apples and oranges, but obviously you won’t be able to see that so we can be done with this discussion.
After reading this, I’m thinking KC will be making slight changes to his offensive philosophy. The three years he was in charge of the offense at Minnesota, he threw a total of 31 passes to the TE.
IIRC, 13 the last two seasons.
Edit - from article.
Ciarrocca’s offense is not big on throwing to the tight end. In his three seasons as the OC with the Gophers, tight ends caught a total of 31 passes — with 18 of those in 2017 and only 13 combined in 2018-19.
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Not looking to argue either. As I see it, the OL has their backs to the QB. He doesn't know what he's going to do until he makes his read. Therefore, the defense sees what's going on before the OL does. Please straighten me out?
My man, I like you but people have tried to subtly tell you that behind paywalls there has been serious innuendo you are wrong. I haven’t seen it myself but read between the lines and look at who’s arguing with you and where they get their info.
Personally, my speculation was that he was given the goals for next year and told he would be fired if he didn’t meet them and if he didn’t like that scenario then he should seek an alternative opportunity, but of course that is me trying to speculate the better side of what it likely was, which was a firing.
The OL blocks run all the way. As far as they are concerned it’s a run play. If the QB decides to throw that’s on him. The OL doesn’t care about being downfield. They get at least 3 yds in college anyway
Zone left (or right) X skinny.
The offensive line runs zone left (or right) no matter what. Their play is the zone run.
If the Q sees single coverage on the SE, he pulls it and throws the skinny post.
Q is looking at coverage on the X, and reaction of the LB to that side. He’s looking for the LB to react and flow to the run play - this opens up the passing lane to the X.
Similar RPO’s are called for sweep one way, bubble screen backside. TAG with slants/bubble. Power run with a pass option. HAG slide pass is one I like and is what Penn State threw to Freiermuth for a TD right after Michigan State muffed the punt return.
Apologies for getting long-winded.
The OL has their assignment for a run play that they carry out no matter what the pass play. The Q makes the decision as to where the ball goes.
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You type faster.
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Thus, why it's called Run (with a) Pass Option. Good write up by you both.
It could very well be that, but we don’t know that. I guarantee in three months people will be posting that Franklin forced Rahne out like its a known fact...I’m just trying to avoid that.
Well stated and polite POV.
But it does assume that there is better, more "inside" information behind paywalls. I've never seen much evidence of that. I doubt CJF has shared his thoughts on the matter, and he's the only one who actually knows.
TAG = tackle and guard pulling Guard kicks out and tackle leads up field.
HAG = h-back and guard pulling Guard and H-back leads.
The slide is H-back acting as if he’s leading up and goes to flats for pass.
And if we (school where I’m at) needs our OL to NOT go downfield because the routes are longer and Q holds ball longer, we give them a “pop” call. Simply says not to go downfield.
As @sluggo72 stated, you get 3 yards, but it’s rarely css as led unless really obvious.
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Thanks.
So, if you know the line is blocking like its a run on every play, so does the defense. Just seems to me that the OL is at a disadvantage from the get go.
No team is running RPO every play.
Your game plan is also going to have straight drop back passing as well.
And, I don’t like reading the comparisons, so forgive me.
But, in the Paterno era, you knew 65%-70% of the time Ganter was running the ball. If there’s a fullback, you also know the FB will more than likely take you to the ball.
Here are your thoughts from a defensive standpoint.
My opponent is going to straight run the ball, play-action pass, RPO, or straight drop back pass.
There is no “line is blocking on every play” situation.
Hopefully, I’m clear on this. Trying to watch Rose Bowl and type on phone.
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We ran about 20 RPOs per game. The other 30-50 play calls were straight run or pass.
Every successful football team in 2019 runs RPO plays. It’s not an excuse for poor line play and probably is an advantage for the OL
Lol this aws kid really has hijacked this thread with his silly agenda.. or just isnt smart enough. Dug a pretty big hole and doubled down. Noice! Anyways, enough wasting time on him.
P.S- Hoping Bowen gets the nod here. Think he would be fantastic in that role.
P.S- Hoping Bowen gets the nod here. Think he would be fantastic in that role.
Just start talking about Liverpool being at the top of the English Premier League and LaJolla will shut up!
LOL!!
Then he'll have to adapt as to how we do things at TE here at PSU.
I caught the pre-game interview with Steve Jones and Franklin before the Cotton Bowl, and Franklin said that him and the offensive staff are going to get together in the offseason and hammer out an offensive philosophy that will mesh what they currently do at PSU and things that worked well at Minnesota. I don’t believe for a second that KC doesn’t think Friermuth should be a big part of the offense and Theo Johnson coming up behind him. They’ll throw to the TE.
I think I found out why Limegrover is gone. This is from the Lair:
"Has roots in Pittsburgh, has recruited some great OL prospects in the 2021 class.
Rumor has it he never wamed up to Franklin.
I'm intrigued where he may end up. The guy can coach."
Looks like he never "wamed" up to Franklin.
"Has roots in Pittsburgh, has recruited some great OL prospects in the 2021 class.
Rumor has it he never wamed up to Franklin.
I'm intrigued where he may end up. The guy can coach."
Looks like he never "wamed" up to Franklin.
If it was just RR heading to ODU I would have and did say "Ehhh ok I guess he changed his mind about wanting to be a HC." And in the back of my mind maybe it was a mutual agreement but figure it was best for both programs.
However when you, or at least I, now factor in Limey not being retained then yea I do think it was a decision Franklin made to let both of them go.
All that being said I really didn't think the Offense was the "issue" with this years team. It wasn't great but I did think the OL improved and was good.
Oh well lets see who the new OL coach is and how the new OC does.
I'll just say this right now, both Banks and Smith and to some extent Pry are on the clock....
I agree...the defense was not great and often times made it more difficult on the offense. It’s hard to score when you don’t have the ball. Even when the defense didn’t give up any points or only gave up a field goal, it was often after a long drive by the other team where the PSU defense could not get off the field. With the talent on both sides of the ball, I think the defense underperformed more than the offense.
Agree with that but we if we want to compete with the LSU's, Clemson's and finally take that step over OSU we better find a Defense.
While our 3rd down conversions were not good, conversely, the opposing teams were, especially if it was 3rd and long.
Norm, stop it with all the facts... provide "LINKS" or it didn't happen! Loll
Thanks. I missed Zone’s post. Makes sense.
On a related note, I read that Theo Johnson got hurt in a game this week. Is it serious?
At first they thought it was a dislocated shoulder, but there was a pic from the next day with him walking without a sling. Fingers crossed.
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