You did not find an example of an 11-2 head coach firing his OC.
Limegrover out.
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13-1 wasn't "we wanted to be in the playoff and we are tired of our top 3 talent blowing one game per year" enough for ya?
It exceeds the logic of firing a coordinator from an 11-2 team.
I was impressed with Kentucky’s OL coach. Looked him up and found out that he’s a Kentucky grad and has been dealing with cancer. Doubt that he’s going anywhere.
Maybe more of a situation like LSU bringing in a Joe Brady, Sark/Kiffen at Bama, OSU made changes a few years ago under Meyer (Day, Yurich, and the former IU coach) to improve their O...his offense was #67 for crying out loud. They were 11-2 in-spite of it at that ranking (it’s the bottom half of the sport), they scored 17 points 3 times, went multiple stretches of 30 minutes without points, average 25.5 ppg against everyone not named Idaho, UMD, and Buffalo with the composite #10 overall roster. If he wasn’t fired or encouraged to look elsewhere the money they are paying the new guy compared to what RR made and is making is obscene, game changing, the previous OC took an SEC job for millions which shows the quicker path to a good gig would have been staying put (if you’re good enough). He was making in the 600k level for two years and they doubled that for someone. Nobody knows what happened but there’s a lot more evidence to suggest that PSU is not too upset about it, Did he get fired? No. Was he asked to look elsewhere? Maybe. Did they try to stop him from leaving? Probably not.
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They were 11-2 and I could see blaming the offense if the defense was awesome, but it wasn’t. I had way more concern about the defense more frequently than the offense.
Strive to be the best, even if it doesnt happen l, rahne was FAR from the best.
T smith needs to go. What makes people think he is a good coach?And yet Terry Smith survives.
Which positional group was worse during the second half of the season and in the bowl game?
The OL or the defensive secondary?
Please tell me who is the best because anyone you say I can point to games where our fans wouldn’t think they were.
Franklin mentioned a lot about the “consultants” that were brought in over the summer to evaluate the offense. The end result of this consultancy was a more varied power running attack with a lot more options, whereas they basically were an inside zone read attack in the past. I understand the value of outside evaluations, but at the same time, why were his coordinator and offensive line coach not able to make some of these changes on their own based upon their own evaluations? Franklin publicly says a lot about the state of his program, one only needs to listen to his comments critically to get a better sense of what the issues are in the program. There has been a lot of smoke all season long...
Last year they were #45 overall this year #67...6 games under 20 points 14 under 30 points in 21 P5 games. There are only 65 P5 teams most of which haven’t been fortunate enough to recruit at PSU’s level. Do you really think the offense is productive the last 2 years? He had 4 players drafts into the NFL last year too with a veteran OL and a QB that holds nearly every PSU record (who plays in the NFL), Miles Sanders looks like an absolute stud at the next level, he’s had more clay to mold than most OC’s could dream of yet here we are in the bottom half of the sport.
11-2....yeah, pretty productive. Can they be better? Sure, but most teams can be. Bottom line, posters on here will be pissed again next year about our OC, I guarantee it.
I should post this in the unpopular opinion thread but I think there is evidence that Rahne was better than Joe Moe in their respective second years at PSU. Jo Moe had an NFL QB, 2 NFL RBs, 2 NFL WRs and an NFL TE. That team should have been unstoppable all year. Rahne adjusted in his second year and had a much more diverse running attack than previously shown. Joe Mo never adjusted. He kept running the same 4 plays over and over in an offense which got his QB repeatedly hit and without any attempt to give playing time to the other NFL RB he had on the team. The offense was completely dependent on chunk plays. Lots of OCs would have looked like geniuses with that cast. Rahne had a first year starting QB, no proven RBs coming into the year and 2 actual WRs to use. This team was much more diverse in the sense they could win in different ways. The power running game they showed to salt away multiple games this year are games a Joe Moe offense probably loses. Having said all that, I think Rahne’s replacement is a huge upgrade because he is an experienced guy who has been great at multiple schools. I think he is one of the elite OCs in college football and is a great hire.
No, he’s not going anywhere. He’s a good man and has been treated well by the UK program while going through his battle. He’s done a hell of a job this year.
If you look at Limegrover's resume, it is really impressive. I mean, you want this guy on your team. What wasn't impressive were the results. I'm sure he's been making good money, and someone will indeed pick him up. Wish him well.
I agree. With Bowen we have a guy in house we know will do a great job of recruiting OL. Sliding Bowen to OL Coach probably makes us the team to beat form Tangwell, Leigh, Rucci.... So if we do not slide Bowen to OL Coach, IMO we need to equal or beat his OL recruiting abilities. And that would be with a guy who has a proven track record of getting OL into the NFL.
I think 1994 was was one of the “last 15-20 years?” But think he did OK?! Not bad in a few other years too. Did you watch PSU football under Paterno?
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Nothing against Fries but his issues don’t stem from coaching. They’re physical limitations. Fries should move to guard. If he makes it to the NFL it will be at guard.
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My bet you never played a down of football in your lifeAnd yet Terry Smith survives.
Which positional group was worse during the second half of the season and in the bowl game?
The OL or the defensive secondary?
I'm not concerned with the fans, I'm concerned with an offense that rivals LSU's, if you think RR was providing that, or limegrover, I dont really know what to say.
So you’re looking for something that no other team has and no team including LSU will have next year....good luck with that.
I want the best and smartest offensive system in the country, the one that maximizes our players talents and exploits the defense in most plays and produces points on nearly every drive. Crazy? Sure, but if you want to win a championship that has to be your aim no?
Not necessarily....you don’t have to have the best system to win, you just have to have one that gets a lot out of your talent. If you’re only satisfied with the best then you’re going to be unsatisfied pretty much all the time, which may be the problem with many of our fans.
Western, Eastern and Central Michigan we're all on Spring Break with us in Lauderdale in '87. I often got confused which school the girl who was shooting me down was from
Don't you think if CJF thought Rahne was the guy to get us to the playoffs, he would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse?
I'm not sure how I feel about Limegrover. I've been in the camp that says our OL is made to look worse than it is because of the scheme we play. Our OL doesn't know whether it's a run or a pass until after the defense figures it out.
I don't think SC does a very good job of extending plays when he can. His pocket presence is average. I'd like to see him roll out more often.
I don't think our WRs get separation quickly enough, given the time Clifford generally has. Are the routes poorly designed? Is it taking too long for SC to work through his progressions? Why doesn't he have someone to check down to? What's wrong with using the middle of the field once in a while? I also don't think our WRs fight for the ball like they should. How do our opponents' WRs consistently get open, while ours, frankly, do not?
I don't understand for the life of me why we don't employ a varied screen pass attack. Considering the difficulty we've had defending the screen, the struggles we've had at WR and the embarrassment of riches we have at RB, you'd think this would be a no brainer.
The offense is just a little off. And while the OL deserves a share of the blame, I just don't think that unit or Limegrover should be made the scapegoat.
I don't think SC does a very good job of extending plays when he can. His pocket presence is average. I'd like to see him roll out more often.
I don't think our WRs get separation quickly enough, given the time Clifford generally has. Are the routes poorly designed? Is it taking too long for SC to work through his progressions? Why doesn't he have someone to check down to? What's wrong with using the middle of the field once in a while? I also don't think our WRs fight for the ball like they should. How do our opponents' WRs consistently get open, while ours, frankly, do not?
I don't understand for the life of me why we don't employ a varied screen pass attack. Considering the difficulty we've had defending the screen, the struggles we've had at WR and the embarrassment of riches we have at RB, you'd think this would be a no brainer.
The offense is just a little off. And while the OL deserves a share of the blame, I just don't think that unit or Limegrover should be made the scapegoat.
Just look at the pressure Memphis defense put on Clifford the entire game. Our QB's, including Trace have been running for their lives the past three years or so. There is barely any time for our WR's to run routes or for our QB to go through his progressions, none.
Maybe he did and Rahne wanted to be a head coach. Maybe Rahne didn’t feel he was the right guy even if Franklin did. Maybe Franklin didn’t think he was the right guy. The point is we don’t know and will never know so why speculate about it?
Some people cannot read tea leaves because they make idiotic stances and run them into the ground. CJF stated clearly the O wasn’t getting it done. The OL coach is fired and the OC left, but don’t read into that because somehow you might hurt this snowflake’s feelings.
Did you ever look and break down what happened every time we tried to run a screen play? Our linemen, guards in particular, were unable to get out and actually make contact with a defender.
I think we tried mid-season and essentially gave up after seeing the results. I think that's possibly a reason we did not defend screens well. We probably were not running them in practice.
Lol that's true. But hey.. provide "links"!! Like as if CJF, who happens to be the godfather to rahne's kids, is actually going to come out and rip on his best friend and make him look bad. If CJF would have even thought about saying anything like that, then the media would have had a field day with it and made CJF look bad. I mean ig CJF can throw his best friend under thw bus then what will he do to some OC who hes not that close to? That's why you won't find any "links" that states what we all already know. It's like some ppl here have made a fantasy bubble and don't want others to burst it..
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