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Limegrover out.

Exactly...which is why I called out someone who posted that CJF clearly wasn’t happy with the offense. That’s nothing more than the poster’s opinion and should have been posted as such. CJF clearly wasn’t happy with the overall job Limegrover was doing....beyond that no one can say what CJF thinks about his offense or defense.
I didn't hear him badmouth Corley either. His comments about not being good enough and the movement kind of tell you where he is at. He was good friends with RR and wasn't going to toss him under the bus even IF he was unhappy with him. You are correct that we don't know if he wasn't happy, but it appears he was unhappy as coaches are going after a 10-2 season or not being asked back.....well and he also said he wasn't happy with it. He has some very clear goals and isn't the HC that will hesitate to move on, we have seen it a few times already. He also doesn't trash anyone either.....but some of us figured out why Donovan, Hand, and company didn't come back.
 
A link to anything that states that CJF was unhappy with his OC....anything.
Do you really think he’s going to come out and say it...he’s better than that. His actions speak for themselves. It’s like they say In recruiting watch what a recruit does and not listen to what he says. Two offensive staff members have been fired in two years, the OC while not lighting up has left for ODU for far less than his replacement coordinator. Use your brain, he’s not going to throw anyone under the bus, he didn’t throw officials under the bus after the Iowa and Pitt games when pressed, he didn’t throw ML under the bus today, and he will never come out and say a specific person player, or staff member wasn’t good enough. Follow his actions, if the offense was putting up OSU, OU, LSU, and Clemson numbers he’s not going to ODU for half the salary of a top P5 coordinator (especially when PSU is willing to pay top dollar KC).
I hope he does well there, I met him at Mohegan Sun while he was in town for a coaches clinic and he was great to our party, he was a PSU staff member, kept his nose clean, and by all accounts a great guy.
 
Do you really think he’s going to come out and say it...he’s better than that. His actions speak for themselves. It’s like they say In recruiting watch what a recruit does and not listen to what he says. Two offensive staff members have been fired in two years, the OC while not lighting up has left for ODU for far less than his replacement coordinator. Use your brain, he’s not going to throw anyone under the bus, he didn’t throw officials under the bus after the Iowa and Pitt games when pressed, he didn’t throw ML under the bus today, and he will never come out and say a specific person player, or staff member wasn’t good enough. Follow his actions, if the offense was putting up OSU, OU, LSU, and Clemson numbers he’s not going to ODU for half the salary of a top P5 coordinator (especially when PSU is willing to pay top dollar KC).
I hope he does well there, I met him at Mohegan Sun while he was in town for a coaches clinic and he was great to our party, he was a PSU staff member, kept his nose clean, and by all accounts a great guy.
I don’t disagree with your reasoning, but your simply posting your opinion...which is fine but quit acting like your telling us what CJF is thinking. Who knows what or why Rahne would leave for a head coaching job at ODU...but I can guarantee that ODU didn’t hire him because CJF was unhappy with him at PSU...I don’t think CJF can control who another school hires. And who CJF got rid of last year doesn’t have any impact on what he feels about the staff this year. Bottom line is he was obviously unhappy with the overall job Limegrover was doing...beyond that we have no idea.
 
This type of thinking is idiotic. Smith was hired because he had significant recruiting ties to western PA. Penn State fans like that Smith played for JoePa and was a standout player. These are hardly requirements for being a coach at Penn State.

Smith did a hell of a job with those Gateway teams he coached.
 
Exactly...which is why I called out someone who posted that CJF clearly wasn’t happy with the offense. That’s nothing more than the poster’s opinion and should have been posted as such. CJF clearly wasn’t happy with the overall job Limegrover was doing....beyond that no one can say what CJF thinks about his offense or defense.
From his press conferences, JF mentioned that (a) he wasn't happy with the offense after the MN game; (b) ball needed to be spread to other WRs after Shorter entered the portal, and (c) adjustments needed to be made quicker. So not a huge surprise that changes are made. I think Franklin realizes that next year could be the year and has said that they need to find a way to best OSU (along with UM and MSU).
 
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CJF mentioned that he wasn't happy with the offense after the MN game, particularly with time management, so not a huge surprise that changes are made. Also mentioned that the ball needs to be spread around to other WRs after Shorter entered portal. I think Franklin realizes that next year could be the year.
Could be, but if you think he would have gotten rid of Rahne if Rahne hadn’t left for ODU, I’ve got some swampland in Florida to sell you.
 
Could be, but if you think he would have gotten rid of Rahne if Rahne hadn’t left for ODU, I’ve got some swampland in Florida to sell you.
If you read a comment on the premium board it might make more sense. There’s some innuendo about this very thing.
 
If you read a comment on the premium board it might make more sense. There’s some innuendo about this very thing.
We don't know, but it is possible that was a face saving move for RR. How many coordinators at a top school would leave for Old Dominion? Is that a move up? While Rahne previously said he didn't want to be a head coach, that could have been coach speak, but could have also been true as doubtful he could make a lateral move to another program as OC.
 
If the goal is to be 13-0 or 12-1 with a B10 championship and going to the final 4 and you believe that your OC can't take you there, you would.
I'm 100% sure those are Franklin's goals, but maybe AWS doesn't believe it without a link; that's his choice to stick his head in the sand
 
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I'm 100% sure those are Franklin's goals, but maybe AWS doesn't believe it without a link; that's his choice to stick his head in the sand
I know those are his goals but there’s nothing anywhere ever that shows that he didn’t think he could get there with Rahne. Why is that so hard for some of you to understand?
 
Sure it’s speculation...after this firing today, and the increased salaries for staff that CJF asked for as part of his new contract, do you really think they couldn’t have retained RR? Do you think the offense was good under him? Coach appears to be doing what he has to to get the program to the next level, and I applaud that.

Don’t know but a head coaching gig is still a head coaching gig. Frankly, I don’t think Rahne was as bad as many of his detractors. Sure he made mistakes, but IMO many of the key losses were more on the defense than on Rahne’s offense. For example, being unable to prevent OSU from scoring 2 TDs with 8 minutes to go last year with the first TD being scored quickly on a screen pass and the PSU defenders looking like they never saw that type of play. Even Urban said he thought OSU was going to lose at that stage of the game. Giving up 31 points to Minnesota this year (PSU’s offense racked up over 500 yards in that game and Clifford’s 3 picks weren’t on Rahne). In any event for whatever reason he’s gone and I genuinely hope Ciarroca is fantastic.
 
Don’t know but a head coaching gig is still a head coaching gig. Frankly, I don’t think Rahne was as bad as many of his detractors. Sure he made mistakes, but IMO many of the key losses were more on the defense than on Rahne’s offense. For example, being unable to prevent OSU from scoring 2 TDs with 8 minutes to go last year with the first TD being scored quickly on a screen pass and the PSU defenders looking like they never saw that type of play. Even Urban said he thought OSU was going to lose at that stage of the game. Giving up 31 points to Minnesota this year (PSU’s offense racked up over 500 yards in that game and Clifford’s 3 picks weren’t on Rahne). In any event for whatever reason he’s gone and I genuinely hope Ciarroca is fantastic.
Only a matter of time before these same posters are trashing Ciarroca.
 
This a a very good thing, Limegrove’s dismissal. Sick of waiting each year for improvement in the O-line. This was a glaring weakness for us (year-in, year-out) and it’s time to fix the problem. Thanks and goodbye. Done effing around

1st - It's never a "good thing" when someone gets fired. I hate to see a good man like Limegrover fired... and he was a good man.

That being said, unfortunately it 'had' to be done. I agree with you. Thew OL was not developing, it was a yearly weakness, and the clock expired on using depth & talent as a alibi. This years Ol was stacked with highly touted players who had plenty of game experience, yet they were still a weak link and under-achieved.

The next guy is stepping into a really nice spot. The next guy is inheriting 5 OL with starting experience and lots of playing time experience: Menet, Fries, Miranda, Holmes, Walker. Plus a few more OL with experience such as Holmes. He also has a bunch of highly touted prospects in reserve such as Wallace..... The right OL coach could slide in and look really good really quick.
 
Absolutely is my opinion, but I don’t see a coach getting rid of a coordinator after an 11-2 season. Call me naive, but I think I’m right about that.
When a coach wants to take the program to the next level, and could be better in an area absolutely. It happens at a lot of places...and you also spent half this thread chastising me for a. Opinion and even said to other posters that you had to call me out because of my “opinion”, yet here we are...
 
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When a coach wants to take the program to the next level, and could be better in an area absolutely. It happens at a lot of places.
I guess that depends on your definition of next level. 11-2 is a pretty high level especially in today’s college football. I agree CJF got rid of Limegrover to help move to the next level. I just don’t think it’s the same with Rahne. I don’t think Franklin was as down on him as many posters on this board, that’s all.
 
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to help move to the next level. I just don’t think it’s the same with Rahne. I don’t think Franklin was as down on him as many posters on this board, that’s all.
Can you please share a link that includes definitive language from Franklin saying he was completely satisfied with Rahne's handling of the offense?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Absolutely is my opinion, but I don’t see a coach getting rid of a coordinator after an 11-2 season. Call me naive, but I think I’m right about that.

If the goal is to be 13-0 or 12-1 with a B10 championship and going to the final 4 and you believe that your OC can't take you there, you would.

But who has?

Examples? I’ll wait....

You never once specified that you were talking Franklin only, yet...

They did, but different head coach so not quite the same.

It is not very common for coordinators to be fired in the midst of a plus season in what nearly every pundit or poster expected to be a rebuilding year.

However, I found you an example. It has occurred. Less than 365 days ago.

People can speculate on Rahne all they want. Nobody is going to be right, nobody is going to be wrong. He didn't get fired, there are no quotes about it from the perspective that mean anything.

However,

1) a coach who, 24 1/2 months ago, said he had no desire to be a HC took a job as a HC while
2) his replacement was given more money to do what he labeled "his dream job"

https://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_65ab8f50-e284-11e7-a553-e30ef83692f0.html

Take it for what it is...
 
Can you please share a link that includes definitive language from Franklin saying he was completely satisfied with Rahne's handling of the offense?

Thanks in advance.
Don’t have to prove a negative. The fact that Rahne was not fired proves my point.
 
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