Link from Jones

[Richard the LIONhearted]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

 

[Judge Smails]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

Yes, it's important we get the viewpoint from a Ohio State alum and fan. Because there wouldn't be any bias associated with that.

 

[bmejnes]

What are the chances of Jones actually being the troll named Lionrevival? Maybe, just maybe..

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

It's an interesting conversation, but not one I want to have with Jones. Look at it this way - Franklin put up a similar record with less talent, depth, and experience than offensive genius Bill O'Brien. So, another discussion Jones could start is why didn't O'Brien do better?

 

[marshall23]

O'Brien had no claim to the title offensive genius until he crossed paths with Brady. Since? How'd he look with out a great QB last week? By the way, Brady has never recovered from the loss of O'Brien?

 

[BobPSU92]

Is O'Brien really an offensive genius? Folks throw "genius" around quite a bit. He had success as the Patriots offensive coordinator, but so have a lot of guys. Penn State's offense was pretty good the two years he was there, but he also had talent to work with. He certainly wasn't a genius going for and failing on 4th and 6 on his 37. There was no genius to be found in the loss to Indiana or getting smoked by Tosu.

I think we need to dial it down some on O'Brien. To the point of the article linked above, O'Brien approaches the head coaching position with a specialty, while Franklin doesn't. Is that a huge issue? Of course it is to jones, a Tosu athletic supporter. Plus, everything is being magnified because Penn State was "just" 7-6 two years in a row with limited talent and because of the turnover in the coaching staff. Penn State's sky is falling. We still don't know the nature of the discussions Franklin had with Shoop and Hand before they left. We also can't say that they have lost anything in quickly replacing Donovan, Shoop, and Hand with Moorhead, Pry, and Limegrover, respectively. I think they all may be upgrades.

This time of year sucks when it comes to college football. Too many people who are bored spend too much time creating issues to complain about. Obviously jones is one of the worst of the lot.

 

[NewYC]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

What garbage. He doesn't need to do anything soon except keep bringing in great players. Almost all of these monikers that are given to coaches are just BS. BOB's offense sucked this year and his defense was great because he had good players on defense and bad players on offense. Jones just needs to fill space. I won't ever click on any of his articles.

 

[bvillebaron]

It's an interesting conversation, but not one I want to have with Jones. Look at it this way - Franklin put up a similar record with less talent, depth, and experience than offensive genius Bill O'Brien. So, another discussion Jones could start is why didn't O'Brien do better?

That wouldn't be because O'Brien and Davey were buddies would it? Jones's claim that O'Brien left because of negative comments from JoeBots is still in my top 5 of complete BS (and that covers a lot of territory).

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Is O'Brien really an offensive genius? Folks throw "genius" around quite a bit. He had success as the Patriots offensive coordinator, but so have a lot of guys. Penn State's offense was pretty good the two years he was there, but he also had talent to work with. He certainly wasn't a genius going for and failing on 4th and 6 on his 37. There was no genius to be found in the loss to Indiana or getting smoked by Tosu.

I think we need to dial it down some on O'Brien. To the point of the article linked above, O'Brien approaches the head coaching position with a specialty, while Franklin doesn't. Is that a huge issue? Of course it is to jones, a Tosu athletic supporter. Plus, everything is being magnified because Penn State was "just" 7-6 two years in a row with limited talent and because of the turnover in the coaching staff. Penn State's sky is falling. We still don't know the nature of the discussions Franklin had with Shoop and Hand before they left. We also can't say that they have lost anything in quickly replacing Donovan, Shoop, and Hand with Moorhead, Pry, and Limegrover, respectively. I think they all may be upgrades.

This time of year sucks when it comes to college football. Too many people who are bored spend too much time creating issues to complain about. Obviously jones is one of the worst of the lot.

If Nick Saban had someone like Jones anywhere in the state of Alabama he would be wearing cement shoes at the bottom of a lake.

 

[lionlurker]

I am pretty certain that O'Brien does not consider Jones to be his buddy, from a very good source. Not sure what Jones believes about their relationship.

 

[marshall23]

It doesn't take a genius to take the #1 defensive player in the NFL and try to make him a goal line running back......exposing him to injury while he does something foreign to him and his skill set.

 

[marshall23]

Jones and Geiger hated JVP because he clearly didn't respect them (for good reason).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

O'Brien is an "offensive genius"? Sure wouldn't know it from his performance to date with the Texans (his offensive performance at PSU was "middling" at best in a 14-team league - hardly the stuff of "genius"). "BOOB", errrr....I mean "BOB" just lost to a Wild Card team as a Conference Champion @home 30-0 and it was clear the game was over before halftime as the Texans have one of the most putrid offenses the NFL has ever seen! And Jones claims he's an "offensive genius"? Based on what precisely? Certainly nothing be has rendered since becoming a Head Coach!

 

[Nitt1300]

I wouldn't give Jones a click if doing it put money in my pocket.

 

[Thorndike2012]

Here's O'Brien's offensive 'genius' while at PSU: "Hey Hack! When your first progression is covered or you're in any sort of trouble throw that ball over there to Alan Robinson."

 

[olelion]

The article is pretty spot on. Forget the hype and just coach

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Here's O'Brien's offensive 'genius' while at PSU: "Hey Hack! When your first progression is covered or you're in any sort of trouble throw that ball over there to Alan Robinson."

Exactly! "Just throw it up high for grabs and let him go up and get it....he'll make you look like a hero and good QB virtually every time"....

The thing that tells you everthing you need to know about what a genius BOB is...is that he passed on Robinson 3 separate times in the 2014 draft and Robinson has proven he was one of the absolute best offensive players in that draft! Yea, some genius - lets an absolute steal pass him by multiple times!

 

[ericstratton-rushchairman]

What exactly was Coach Paterno's specialty? In his 3rd to 9th years as head coach PSU was 72-8 (90% win rate). I wasn't dialed in to JVP until the early 80's so I don't know much about the real back story from the first 15 years... what was JVP known for other than winning and graduating players?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

What exactly was Coach Paterno's specialty? In his 3rd to 9th years as head coach PSU was 72-8 (90% win rate). I wasn't dialed in to JVP until the early 80's so I don't know much about the real back story from the first 15 years... what was JVP known for other than winning and graduating players?

I always thought it was stay conservative on offense, win with defense and fundamental special teams play. I too wasn't dialed in until the early 90's, but even then it seemed to be get a lead, grind out the clock, and limit the other team to FG's. That is until his talent forced him to do otherwise.

 

[Sandinista!]

Exactly, Jones forgets that Joe is a very similar manager to Franklin because Jones hated Paterno

What exactly was Coach Paterno's specialty? In his 3rd to 9th years as head coach PSU was 72-8 (90% win rate). I wasn't dialed in to JVP until the early 80's so I don't know much about the real back story from the first 15 years... what was JVP known for other than winning and graduating players?

 

[CDLionFL]

What garbage. He doesn't need to do anything soon except keep bringing in great players.

What happens if he keeps bringing in these supposedly 'great' players (Paris Palmer got how many stars?) and he can't coach them?

 

[KnightSlayer]

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/penn_state_football_james_fran_24.html

Don't click if you don't want to...the argument about Franklin is the reason I've posted it.

I see some value in what is written here...especially the teaching/coaching part.
I've always wondered about Franklin, what is he key skill for the job? He is not an offensive genius like O'Brien, nor a defensive specialist like Saban, nor a special team genius like Frank Beamer....at the end of the day, what does he hang his hat on? What sets him apart from the other 118 head guys?

He better find a specialty and do it soon.

How many of the other 118 coaches were a four year starting QBs for their college, setting seven school records and were nominated for division II player of the year? He started his coaching career the year after he graduated. He's coached WRs, TEs and QBs. He was an OC and assistant head coach before becoming a head coach at Vanderbilt. His career has been on a constant upward trajectory since he started coaching.

Jones is a lump of shit.

 

[Nitt1300]

Jones hated Joe, and he hates Penn State

why give him the clicks?

 

[KnightSlayer]

What happens if he keeps bringing in these supposedly 'great' players (Paris Palmer got how many stars?) and he can't coach them?

Barkley? Godwin? Allen? Cabinda? Haley? Blacknall? Polk?

 

[Tweedbear]

Based on Jone's unmitigated love for PSU football I would take this article as an endorsement of Franklin
Given the sanctions and the bleak future at the time of his hire you needed to sell the sizzle, there was no steak.
Marketing gave us the recruiting classes we discuss.

 

[JoeLion]

Jones is in love....with himself.

 

[BobPSU92]

What happens if he keeps bringing in these supposedly 'great' players (Paris Palmer got how many stars?) and he can't coach them?

Who says James Franklin can't coach Palmer? Maybe Palmer isn't all that. Franklin also isn't the only guy involved. In case you haven't noticed, Penn State will have two new guys working on the offensive coaching staff this year. Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

[dbsteel]

It's an interesting conversation, but not one I want to have with Jones. Look at it this way - Franklin put up a similar record with less talent, depth, and experience than offensive genius Bill O'Brien. So, another discussion Jones could start is why didn't O'Brien do better?

Bingo. I'm not sure there is much difference between Obrien's last year and Franklins first two. Obrien had a much more veteran team his first year. And for the couple of nice wins he had (well mainly Wisconsin), he had some horrible losses. Franklin is right in the middle of the worst sanction years.

 

[novaclassof90]

Don't think the article says CJF can not coach. Just says he needs to stop being a marketer and devote more time to the x's and o's.

Disagree with central premise of article. ALL big time coaches MUST be marketers. Recruiting is 100% marketing. He can not coach these guys until he sells them on coming to PSU. Should he cut back on the catchy slogans and that stuff, maybe. But he MUST continue to sell the program to the fans and recruits while also winning games. It is not a one or the other proposition.

 

[emrtmakesshiteup]

Wow, just wow! Some of you sure have some heavy duty O'B haten blinders on! So some poster innocently jumps in with a genius label, which opens the door to hammer O'B, even though he isn't even mentioned in the article. Look, I don't even know what a football genius is and/or looks like, but to minimize how a true freshman played in a pro style offense speaks for itself However, did any of you, with your most creative imagination, ever envision in a 100 million years, McMoxie being on an NFL roster? No mention of that though! That one speaks volumes about O'B's talent. Yes, he abandoned his players who seemed to really like and respect him. Get used to it, as Matt Lineguru or Joe Morehead could be next. It appears to be how this business works!

 

[Ranger Dan]

I'm not sure that I agree with Jones, CJF is primarily selling to recruits, but to a lesser degree he does need to sell fans in hopes of getting back to SRO for football games.

 

[Brazillm10]

When CJF got here, all we had was hamburger in the fridge and customers demanding steak. No matter how much you season hamburger, it won't taste like the steak everyone craves. The good news is Franklin and his staff are bringing in the tenderloin and if everyone is patient, we will be enjoying steak very soon.

 

[Blueblood4eva]

No click for Jonesie but I bet it really irks him that CJF is ten times the BS'er that he is, and gets paid $4mil per year for the privilege of laughing at him!

 

[Black Elmo 2]

Franklin's job is leadership. He can hire guys that are great technicians. His role is to put it all together. He is a great recruiter, inspirational motivator, and charismatic face for the program. I suspect he's also good at dealing with alumni and benefactors. He doesn't need to be the x and o guy.

 

[OldTiredLion]

I wish you guys would stop linking Jones' propaganda on this site. You may as well link ISIS or Al Qaida.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Those comments in the article are disgusting. CJF deserves better.

 

[Blueblood4eva]

When CJF got here, all we had was hamburger in the fridge and customers demanding steak. No matter how much you season hamburger, it won't taste like the steak everyone craves. The good news is Franklin and his staff are bringing in the tenderloin and if everyone is patient, we will be enjoying steak very soon.

I like your style......bravo!

 

[Osprey Lion]

A great coach doesn't have to be great at coaching offense, defense or special teams. What he does have to do
is be great at hiring people to coach those areas and let them do their job. It appears that is what Franklin is currently
trying to do.

 

[marshall23]

What exactly was Coach Paterno's specialty? In his 3rd to 9th years as head coach PSU was 72-8 (90% win rate). I wasn't dialed in to JVP until the early 80's so I don't know much about the real back story from the first 15 years... what was JVP known for other than winning and graduating players?

In Joe's heyday no one and I mean no one wanted to play him after a bye or in a bowl. I went to enough clinics in the 70's and early 80's to know what other college coaches thought of him. In the late 60's and early 70's many coaches were interested in his split 4 defense.

 

[bamasota]

In Joe's heyday no one and I mean no one wanted to play him after a bye or in a bowl. I went to enough clinics in the 70's and early 80's to know what other college coaches thought of him. In the late 60's and early 70's many coaches were interested in his split 4 defense.

That does not sound quite right. I know of one coach that wanted to play Joe's teams. Probably because Joe always lost.

After the end of the 1978 regular season, it was a toss-up as to who would play where in the bowl games. Joe Paterno, head coach of Penn State, wanted to play in the 1979 Orange Bowl, which would be the last game of the night and would give Penn State the nation's undivided attention. Moreover, Paterno wanted his vaunted defense to face Oklahoma running back Billy Sims, the Heisman Trophy winner.

Bryant wanted things differently. Bryant hoped, along with Sugar Bowl committee member Aruns Callery, that he could get Penn State to agree to face Alabama in a #1 v. #2 matchup in the Sugar Bowl. Bryant was wary of the pollsters after the shun to end the 1977 season, but he knew that if number two Alabama could beat number one Penn State, the Crimson Tide would be guaranteed a national championship regardless of what else happened with other teams.

Finally, after the urging of Callery, Bryant called Paterno and attempted to coax him into meeting the Tide in the Sugar Bowl. Bryant recounted to Paterno that the two schools and coaches had a great matchup in the 1975 Sugar Bowl, which the Tide won narrowly 13–6, and that he wanted to do it again. After several calls, Bryant finally convinced Paterno, and the matchup was on.