Some have become accepting of the transfer portal. Many feel that if the coaches have no loyalty, why should the players. Well I recall a cadre of players who stayed at PSU to play football when transferring was all the rage after the Sandusky incident. We had so much praise for them and rightly so. That spirit seems to have left. As a veteran, I don't think I would want to be in a foxhole with some of these guys. You can say it is alright - but respectfully, I do not agree.
Loyalty
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I think the way the transfer portal has been working is fairly ridiculous, although i do come back to whether i would have been able to transfer to another university if i wanted to. and it seems like the answer is yes, and that any regular student could transfer as much as they want without sitting out a semester, and no school would be barred from giving some form of academic scholarship.
The answer is to primarily recruit student athletes and not athletes that happen to go to class. I don't know how accurate the official site is in terms of majors but it if is, we have a lot more athletes that go to class which explains the portal activity. I hope the website is out of date because there are way too many 3rd players without a major listed or in DUS. If you are in DUS in year three, you are not graduating in five much less four.
I read that, of the final four teams in the basketball tournament, the majority of starters are transfers. IIRC, 13 of the starting 20.
As a student, you can xfer at any time. the NCAA had not allowed that and slowly slipped on the damages to xfering to the point now where you can just about xfer whenever you want. I am waiting for someone to xfer at halftime and walk over to the opposing team's locker room.
This can not and will not change until the players organize. That means some kind of union. Most of the courts are now ruling that players are simply employees and entitled to labor relations laws, protections and entitlements. The only way around that is like the major leagues have done and that is to have the players unionize and negotiate a collective bargaining agreement. So that CBA could include terms like "can't xfer until one 30 days from the conclusion of the national championship announcement or less than 30 days before the first game of your team's season". For that the players could get, say, college paid health care until their 31st birthday (or whatever).
That is the only legal way out of this mess.
Coaches have no issue getting rid of a player if they can find someone better, and even less of an issue leaving for a better job. Why should a player be stuck in his situation if he's not happy, or could have a better opportunity elsewhere?
that's the point. any student can transfer at any time. that's the way it works, so, the NCAA was wrong to be penalizing athletes for transferring IMO. having an actual "portal" to shop for players is a little too much IMO, but i don't think anyone should have ever had to do things like sit out a year because they transferred
Loyalty? Have always been a huge PSU fan for football even though I went to Temple. My daughter is now up at College Park at over 50k out of state tuition/living. She loves it and that's all that matters, but PSU is a money grab on every front.
Loyalty gets rewarded with PSL transfers and money hikes, increased parking fees, and skyrocketing tution costs. All at a commonwealth funded university. Happy Valley makes my daughter happy, not my wallet. But...its my choice. Thank you for letting me vent on the loyalty issue.
Loyalty gets rewarded with PSL transfers and money hikes, increased parking fees, and skyrocketing tution costs. All at a commonwealth funded university. Happy Valley makes my daughter happy, not my wallet. But...its my choice. Thank you for letting me vent on the loyalty issue.
If the fans and alumni continue to support the coaches and players in this age of collegiate free agency for the revenue sports of football and men's basketball, then the trend will continue.
And, while I'm not a fan of following a team that essentially has a brand new set of core players each year. I'm also not a fan of my team returning a core of too many marginal players. And no real expectations for the team to be successful let alone qualify for the tourney.
The answer to your question is an opportunity for what?
Without taking a stance on how anything "should" be, let's take a dispassionate view of things.
A kid attends a high school based on where they live. They are there for an education. Sports, clubs, etc are extra-curricular activities. If the basketball coach or the key-club advisor leaves/retires, the kid still gets an education at the same school. Certainly, there are exceptions with recruiting to catholic schools, etc, but by and large, sports are "extra" to the education.
Why is college different?
Historically, a kid decided to attend the university AND play sports. A kid was free to leave and seek their education elsewhere, but there were some controls(ie waiting year) imposed by the NCAA over sports to govern competition to prevent chaos and a primary focus on sports vs education, which was/(is?) the primary purpose of a university.
Let's be honest. Penn State is a good school. Graduates of PSU generally do well with a "name brand" and respected degree. From an education perspective, there was no reason to leave, and most of the transfers will likely go to a lesser-ranked academic institution. The mass transfers, in the wake of shrewsberry leaving are simply more evidence that for athletes, sports is not an extra-curricular, education is an extra-athletic.
It's obvious to me that sports has outgrown education and they should probably be decoupled, unless we want to say that universities are minor-league sport entities that have a secondary role to offer education services.
An opportunity to get more playing time, play in a system that fits their strengths, find a coach that will do a better job developing their game, etc.
As long as these kids are expected to put in the time commitment that it requires to be a high level division 1 athlete, then why pretend that their sport should just be a small part of their educational experience. These basketball players ARE EXPECTED to put more time into basketball than their studies.
You are misnterpreting the purposing behind sitting out. It wasn't to penalize students, it was to give them a year to get their academic affairs in order so they could be meet their expectation to graduate. The fact that this was removed makes a mockery of college athletics.
This is what is wrong with college athletics. These types of players need to be weeded out. Let the NFL and NBA find a way to deal with them. We need to restore hard mandatory requirements for academics. If you don't meet them, you don't practice, you don't play, you don't maintain your scholarship. If the program doesn't meet specific graduation standards, they do not qualify for the post-season.
Unfortunately those days are bygone. I don't see an about face occurring. The NCAA is toothless and probably not willing to spend anymore time and $ fighting against athletes "rights".
that's not even a valid reason. if someone transfers they meet with an academic advisor who tells them what courses they need to schedule. it does not require a year of downtime to do this
As an old guy that admires loyalty as one of the finest qualities a person can have, I was ready to accept the transfer portal as a positive option in the times when coaches change often and left players stuck without many options. The bigger problem I have at this point is that the transfer portal has become more of a way to get in a "bidding" war to bring players in to a school where they get the most financial reward. Transfer portal without NIL was a step in the right direction. Adding NIL component is tougher for me to swallow
I agree. I've said it before. No one cares about the minor leagues. As college sports look more and more like "lesser professionals," ie compensation and free agency, I think overall interest will wane and I think we ultimately see a professional development system like other sports globally.
Yes, the NCAA is toothless, but big picture, the NCAA is an organization formed by the conferences to oversee and enforce matters of fair competition.
The NCAA ultimately exists at the pleasure of the universities, and their job is to serve them.
Universities want money.
The courts have said that the universities/ncaa cannot prevent athletes from being paid for their NIL.
If universities want to keep making the money, they need to figure out the best way to keep the money flowing for as long as possible.
The NCAA is going to do whatever the conferences/universities collectively tell them to do.
Yeah, a normal student can transfer from one college to another, and provided their credits are in good shape, remain on track to finish in 4 years.
The transfer portal process is chaotic now, so perhaps there is some way to make a more orderly process. But the idea of the student-athlete having the ability to transfer and continue playing definitely makes sense to me.
Except for the fact that it is the reason, for several reasons. Under the old transfer system, you couldn't just transfer to any school of your liking. They had to offer a degree your original school did not meaning students were changing majors. Furthermore, schools have different general education requirements. And if you transfer up, a lot of your credits don't go with you. If a football player from almost any SEC school transferred to Penn State, even in the same major, PSU would rightfully refuse to accept most of their credits towards degree requirements. The sit out period is there for very valid reasons.
Uh huh. If that was true, there would be no NIL. There would be no Iron Lions...I could go on
What does any of that have to do with what I said? NIL is a paying players to attend a specific goal so that SCHOOL can win.
Go on and on because you haven't made a point yet.
That was the old GRAD transfer system…an undergrad could transfer to a school that had the same major, but a) they had to sit a year and b) the prior coach/school had a lot of control in making life difficult to narrow the available options fir a new school.
The concept of the student athlete has been disappearing since the ‘80s. Like it or not, this has been minor league football for decades, and huge businesses for the universities, especially PSU. The structure of cfb is finally catching up to all of this. I do not like several aspects of the portal and NIL, but I am happy that the players can finally be truly compensated.
even when all of that is true, it should be the athlete's decision and the NCAA making them sit out is just arbitrary red tape. that never makes things work better
exactly. the NCAA regulations on the transfer issue were 99% about control and making it hard for an athlete to change their mind about where they had enrolled after high school. regulatory mumbo jumbo. glad it's gone
Somehow or other, there were no comments about Mauti and crew who elected to stay in the face of horrible circumstances. I believe that demonstrates different values and a vision of college athletics that is on another level. I believe money can corrupt and big money corrupt big time. That is not to say that wealth is evil. I just believe that the chase for money will ultimately destroy college athletics. I sincerely hope I am wrong. An example; for almost fifty years I had season tickets. I stopped about 2-3 years ago. Not because I did not want to attend, but a weekend at a decent hotel was 1800 (+).
Add in food, beverage, gas, etc. and you are talking about 2500 or more. Maybe some theory of economics justifies those fees, but to me it is gouging. For 2500 I can spend a weekend at the Plaza with all the trappings. Greed, but I am sure most would call it supply and demand. I know - I am a dinosaur. We are!!
Add in food, beverage, gas, etc. and you are talking about 2500 or more. Maybe some theory of economics justifies those fees, but to me it is gouging. For 2500 I can spend a weekend at the Plaza with all the trappings. Greed, but I am sure most would call it supply and demand. I know - I am a dinosaur. We are!!
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The lack of comments about Mauti and the hate he gets for not supporting Jay Paterno just illustrates the point being made that loyalty isn't a good thing--it hurts you.
The cost of attending a game is a completely different story--not to mention many find games more enjoyable at home, at a bar or with friends/family then at a stadium. Attendance will drop no matter what changes are made because the viewing experience at home is superior to many.
