He played at WR? Didn’t even notice.Its been pretty evident to me Saunders is leaving. He played exactly 4 games this year and has been totally shut down.
He played at WR? Didn’t even notice.Its been pretty evident to me Saunders is leaving. He played exactly 4 games this year and has been totally shut down.
Punt returner for 1st 4 games, then never touched the field again.He played at WR? Didn’t even notice.
I get your point here but it's not like we have elite guys behind him. He's still the only WR I trust against a zone defenseThis year so far, 14 games with 18 total receptions, averaging 20.4 receiving yards per game. This isn't a Freshman. It is a Redshirt Junior. His Redshirt Sophomore season -- 10 catches for 130 yards. His Redshirt Freshman season -- 8 catches for 89 yards. He isn't going to get better, and he will have the same impact next year that he has had this year and the previous years -- almost none. Time to get on with his life's calling.
Two WRs outside the top 30 in the portal aren't necessarily ahead of him. They hopefully are but Fleming had more upside than both and that flopped.You have 2 transfer WRs that come in that will be ahead of him. Even the freshman such as Denmark will pass him. Where’s that leave Clifford? Not even close to playing time.
Hudson will fill that role just fine. And not sure how you trust a guy who has done nothing all year.I get your point here but it's not like we have elite guys behind him. He's still the only WR I trust against a zone defense
No offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?What did Evans say on his tweet? He has been a good number 2 and gives us some real speed on the outside.
Based on what? Hope?Hudson will fill that role just fine
Yet you Trust a guy barely averaging over 1 catch/ game. Clifford is free to stay on the team next year but he’s just not going to play much if he does.Based on what? Hope?
I won't crack on college kids who came here before NIL made them pros. That being said, Kaden never lived up to the huge expectations placed on him during his recruitment. Maybe all commits should begin on the same level field of hopeful expectations, not a foregone sure enough gonna be a superhero expectation.Punt returner for 1st 4 games, then never touched the field again.
I don't trust either. We need to get a legit WR in a portal--not too mid-tier guys which we already have.Yet you Trust a guy barely averaging over 1 catch/ game. Clifford is free to stay on the team next year but he’s just not going to play much if he does.
$ and developmentNo offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?
Fleming's upside got lower every year. Most who followed him through HS called it while he was a Buckeye (peaked in HS, was older than the other kids, shoulder injuries hurt him), but a lot seemed to overlook it when he "came home". Without him, we probably lose USC and aren't in the playoff so he's been valuable. He just has never at any time lived up to 5* hype.They hopefully are but Fleming had more upside than both and that flopped.
No offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?
I won't crack on college kids who came here before NIL made them pros. That being said, Kaden never lived up to the huge expectations placed on him during his recruitment. Maybe all commits should begin on the same level field of hopeful expectations, not a foregone sure enough gonna be a superhero expectation.
Because we're still not a pass heavy offense. Every kid sees this as a running team that throws to their TE. Top kids want to go somewhere they're have a lot of targets not a couple opportunities a game to make a play.No offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?
did he do anything for K State?Whats crazy is I was watching the K State game and Dante Ceuphus is playing - had to look it up he is 23 and on third school. Crazy
Perhaps $$$$$ ?No offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?
Not really--couple catches--basically same this year as here last yeardid he do anything for K State?
2024 Season Stats:did he do anything for K State?
Because we're still not a pass heavy offense. Every kid sees this as a running team that throws to their TE. Top kids want to go somewhere they're have a lot of targets not a couple opportunities a game to make a play
Classic chicken or the egg conundrum. 😂 But I think it's mainly that you can't see any positive coaching results by Hagans. Like who has he really been able to develop? So then why would a highly touted WR who has their sites on the NFL go to Penn State?Right here. This too.
Olamide Zaccheus is probably his best example and...mehClassic chicken or the egg conundrum. 😂 But I think it's mainly that you can't see any positive coaching results by Hagans. Like who has he really been able to develop? So then why would a highly touted WR who has their sites on the NFL go to Penn State?
NO!!!!did he do anything for K State?
Saw him drop a 2 point conversion attempt that game.did he do anything for K State?
No offense to any PSU commits but why can't we land a top WR, especially with Allar announcing his return? Why can't PSU do better than the 34th highest ranked WR?
Classic chicken or the egg conundrum. 😂 But I think it's mainly that you can't see any positive coaching results by Hagans. Like who has he really been able to develop? So then why would a highly touted WR who has their sites on the NFL go to Penn State?
It's too bad he's only allowed to coach his own recruits. I'm sure that the lack of WR development over the last 2 years has nothing to do with him.Hagans was hired in February. It was basically two years before his recruits were even on campus.
Does it bother you that the DL commits recruited by Deion Barnes have not started a single game?
Were you one of the guys who wanted to fire Phil Trautwein a couple years ago?
It's too bad he's only allowed to coach his own recruits. I'm sure that the lack of WR development over the last 2 years has nothing to do with him.
He meant the portal. 34 and 51. Very disappointingSounds like you dont follow recruiting.
We have 7 WRs committed with at least one 4 star.
I would say the difference is Barnes’ D-Line and Trautwein’s O-Line has produced at an elite level. They have both shown they can coach. What can Hagans hang his hat on? Look, we all want him to succeed but at this level you produce or you are out. Hagans has about another year to produce something. He has an NFL caliber QB throwing to his guys. At least one of them needs to show out.Hagans was hired in February. It was basically two years before his recruits were even on campus.
Does it bother you that the DL commits recruited by Deion Barnes have not started a single game?
Were you one of the guys who wanted to fire Phil Trautwein a couple years ago?
Classic chicken or the egg conundrum. 😂 But I think it's mainly that you can't see any positive coaching results by Hagans. Like who has he really been able to develop? So then why would a highly touted WR who has their sites on the NFL go to Penn State?
One 4* has you excited?Sounds like you dont follow recruiting.
We have 7 WRs committed with at least one 4 star.
I would say the difference is Barnes’ D-Line and Trautwein’s O-Line has produced at an elite level. They have both shown they can coach. What can Hagans hang his hat on? Look, we all want him to succeed but at this level you produce or you are out. Hagans has about another year to produce something. He has an NFL caliber QB throwing to his guys. At least one of them needs to show out.
One 4* has you excited?
I'm looking for an elite WR who has already proved himself at this level and can step in and make an immediate impact next year. Don't you think a program like PSU should be able to get a top 10 WR?
dropped a 2pt conversion attempt2024 Season Stats:
15 reception 184 yards
The objective is to get the elite kids not hope you turn others into elite kidsDo you even follow recruiting? Players all start out unranked and go from there. Saquon was a 3 * when he committed to rutgers.
We have some good WRs committed. Guilford was o$ered by osu. Osu has signed zero 3 stars in the last 6 years years. Guilford will be a 4*. Rodgers will be a high 4*
The objective is to get the elite kids not hope you turn others into elite kids
And it doesn't matter what their rating is when Rutgers signed them. By the time we got Saquon he wasn't a 3 star kid.
Let's roll with "early ranking aren't that important"---we can agree on thatNo.. saquon was a 3 when we flipped him. Josh adams and Robinson were 4s.
My point was the early rankings are not that important.
so that's 's no great loss, he was disapointment.Its been pretty evident to me Saunders is leaving. He played exactly 4 games this year and has been totally shut down.
Paywall?Paywall. Name?
On3 showing its Marvin Jones Jr.
Coaching is an important part of what a coach does. Trautwein has taken kids who weren’t five stars and turned them into one of the best lines in the country. Barnes has had some top recruits and they are playing like that. Hagans has shown nothing. Let’s hope that changes, but it’s reasonable to expect more, particularly when one of our top rivals has the best WR coach in the business.The players recruited by Barnes have yet to start a game and very little production.
Two years ago there were fans who wanted to fire trautwein.
so that's 's no great loss, he was disapointment.
Paywall?