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Malpractice by Moorhead--not getting Saquon to the edge

Exactly. The gap is closing, but OSU has been churning out some talent. Hell I follow the Saints and seeing Bell, Michael Thomas, and Lattimore have brought in from tOSU, it makes me wonder how he wasn't winning more games to be honest as NOBODY in the B!G was on par with tOSU. In fact after watching the game this year and knowing the talent disparity, I'm very hopeful for the future. OSU seems to lack discipline at times to be honest, much like his UF teams just before he folded on them. No doubt about the talent Meyer can bring in and he is a good coach, but how many false starts and bone head plays did OSU have this year? A ton IIRC.

I agree 100% with that statement. I think ole Urbs may be slightly over rated as a HC.
 
What plays should he have called for an exhausted OL vs a top ranked DL off a bye?

And what defensive plays should he have called when the DL couldn't get to barrett?
so SB gets blown up on this play because the OL was exhausted?? Really??


 
this is what I said,
'So according to your bet, we will square up after the 2019 draft correct?'

and you said correct. So we are clear, we will add up the number on draft choices for each team (PSU, OSU) after the 2018, and 2019 draft and if PSU has the most total picks in those 2 drafts, you will pay Thon $100, and if OSU has the most total picks I will pay thon ($100), correct?
Yeah...it's not hard. The next 2 drafts total players drafted. You will pay the Thon $100 for being stubborn...correct.
 
What plays should he have called for an exhausted OL vs a top ranked DL off a bye?

And what defensive plays should he have called when the DL couldn't get to barrett?
well when you play quarters coverage, and you try to control the middle of the field with the LBers, who get influenced by the Play action pass, it doesnt matter what kind of rush you have. What's really disappointing is, this is the same play USC got us on at the end of the game.

 
No idea what play you are talking about since you linked the whole game. I'm not sure why you can't come to terms with the fact that the OL just wasn't that good this year. But keep blaming the coaches.
The OL in certain situations will leave people unblocked in this offense on purpose. Other times the defenses brought more numbers than blockers. Other times a great pass catching TE really didn't make his blocks. Other times the OL simply missed assignments. Other times they didn't make the critical blocks. Other times a great RB who wanted to make things happened danced too much. Other times a good QB made bad reads.

There is no perfect offense, but when you are in the top 10 in scoring, the system and OL aren't totally broke. Far from it. He points out TFL's after the fact and thinks he's on to something I guess.
 
No idea what play you are talking about since you linked the whole game. I'm not sure why you can't come to terms with the fact that the OL just wasn't that good this year. But keep blaming the coaches.
for me it comes to the play I linked, which is, the one on first and ten gets blown up for a 7 yard loss trying to run a read option with a QB load. (4th qtr 4:17 to go on about our 17 yd line right after a kickoff)
The reason? We ask our kids to make impossible blocks, and then yell at them for not being 'nasty' that's why.

Pretty sure you are an Eagles fan. Watch this (it should be set up to play where I want you to watch) This is Lane Johnson's rookie year, I am pretty sure Jeff Stoudland (sp?) was the OL coach. Just watch. Now if you want to really know, do back and watch the entire video (I have several times) and see how to correct it.


here is the re link for you....
 
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Barkley led the nation in receiving yards by a RB and had over 1100 yards on the ground despite being keyed on every game. It’s flatout stupid to say that Joe didn’t do enough to get him the ball. His yards from scrimmage per game is actually up from last year. His last two seasons were the second and fifth best in PSU history for a RB with still a game left this year.

Some of you sound like spoiled children.
The fact that the PSU offensive line was overmatched against a couple of the opponents' defensive lines (particularly tOSU's DL) surely played a part in Saquon not getting more rushing yards, but the play calling also had a part in it. How many times did Saquon get the ball, flat footed in the backfield, with opposing linemen or linebackers already on top of him? A whole lot. That alone suggested some kind of change in strategy.

In the final game of the year, the Lions ran a "student body right" (i.e., pitch to Saquon for an end around), followed immediately by a "student body left." Both plays resulted in nice gains. Yean, it was Maryland, but it was fantastic to see him get the ball in space. I watched every PSU game this year, and can't recall seeing the Lions run that play any other time.

Lastly, I'm shocked (shocked, I say) to find myself disagreeing with you yet again. :cool:
 
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By this logic, then every offensive and defensive coordinator for non-undefeated teams have "cost then some games"... We lost to a more talented tOSU team in Columbus, by one point. Was that Pry or Moorhead who "cost us that game"? We lost at MSU, while enduring a record setting weather delay, by 3 points. Was that Pry, Moorhead, Huff, or Franklin who cost us that game?


Yes coaches do lose some games its naive to think otherwise coaches do take responsibility do they not??. ( right??) by the way I didn't say all games in my "logic" you missed the premise I pointed to one game--- One Game that was THE GAME in EVERYONES LEDGER!!!! As a coach you better be able to bring it that game if any other during the season) The better coaches avoid those mistakes or at least keep them to a minimum and then the games are won or lost on the field by the players

I just explained where we lost in Columbus, if you were not there then you cant speak to the moment I described because the ensuing 3 and out and punt block brought those fans back. They returned to their seats OMFG!!!! Watershed moment lost on the whole coaching staff and in particular the offensive coaching staff. You say one point umm PSU was up by 15 in the 4th Qtr when that happened that's 2 if not 3 scores. Finish the game, Seize the moment, Don't f'n turtle by calling the same play that has gotten blown up ad nauseum in the previous 3 qtrs. You say OSU more talented? Ok then your gameplaning and game calling better be superior than theirs with no margin for error. That is as everyone on here seems to agree that Jo Mo was the second coming.
 
The fact that the PSU offensive line was overmatched against a couple of the opponents' defensive lines (particularly tOSU's DL) surely played a part in Saquon not getting more rushing yards, but the play calling also had a part in it. How many times did Saquon get the ball, flat footed in the backfield, with opposing linemen or linebackers already on top of him? A whole lot. That alone suggested some kind of change in strategy.

In the final game of the year, the Lions ran a "student body right" (i.e., pitch to Saquon for an end around), followed immediately by a "student body left." Both plays resulted in nice gains. Yean, it was Maryland, but it was fantastic to see him get the ball in space. I watched every PSU game this year, and can't recall seeing the Lions run that play any other time.

Lastly, I'm shocked (shocked, I say) to find myself disagreeing with you yet again. :cool:
I simply am taking a more macro view of the situation. The offense, as called, set up plays for McSorley, both with his legs and his arm. If you run more outside runs, teams will adjust. At the end of the day, all that matters is how many points you score.
 
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I simply am taking a more macro view of the situation. The offense, as called, set up plays for McSorley, both with his legs and his arm. If you run more outside runs, teams will adjust. At the end of the day, all that matters is how many points you score.

You've turned this into an either or. Why couldn't we have scored points AND done everything possible to give Barkley every chance to make a play? Now, if you're saying we did, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you're saying we couldn't have, I simply don't believe it. There was one player wearing blue and white this year who was a legitimate threat to score every single time he touched the ball. Put him in positions to be able to do that. In my stupid opinion we did not maximize those opportunities.
 
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You've turned this into an either or. Why couldn't we have scored points AND done everything possible to give Barkley every chance to make a play? Now, if you're saying we did, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you're saying we couldn't have, I simply don't believe it. There was one player wearing blue and white this year who was a legitimate threat to score every single time he touched the ball. Put him in positions to be able to do that. In my stupid opinion we did not maximize those opportunities.
What I’m saying is that teams were keying on Barkley. Joe knew it, Trace knew it, thus the offense shifted to Trace for production. And it worked. 6th best ppg in the nation.
 
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I've have heard he was recruited as a safety, but I heard CJF flipped him from a Vandy commitment to a PSU. I would find it odd, that CJF would say he could play Safety at Vandy, but at PSU he could play QB. But I really dont know.
I know Tommy Stevens was rated 3 stars, but I thought he had Power 5 offers as well as a QB. I believe, Indiana.


Franklin at Vandy was the only coach/school to recruit him as a QB.
 
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The one play (lack of actually) that frustrated me was the sweep hand off to SB

Last year we ran it with great success (its the play agaianst Iowa that went for 50 yard TD in 2016)

I can't recall us running that play at all in 2017
 
Just a reminder that we have a ways to go to get the roster where it is competitive with the top teams in the country. COACHING has gotten us to two 10-2 regular seasons.

JF is making inroads. I believe we have 15 four star players (per Rivals) with 4-6 more likely this cycle.

4 or 5 star players 2014-2017.

Alabama 19, 19, 15, 26= 79*
Ohio State 16, 14, 17, 17= 64*
LSU 17, 12, 15, 14= 58*
Auburn 14, 18, 15, 9= 56*
Tennessee 18, 17, 11, 9= 55
Georgia 13, 13, 13, 16= 55*
Florida State 16, 14, 19, 13= 52
USC 1, 21, 13, 17 = 52*
Oklahoma 9, 14, 11, 18= 51*
Texas A&M 13, 12, 10, 13= 48
Michigan 7, 6, 16, 19= 48
Florida 13, 7, 10, 15= 45
Notre Dame 11, 13, 13, 8= 45*
UCLA 12, 12, 12, 8= 44
Texas 6, 15, 14, 8= 43
Clemson 8, 12, 13, 9= 42*
South Carolina 10, 11, 7, 7= 35
Penn State 6, 11, 6, 11= 34*
 
Just a reminder that we have a ways to go to get the roster where it is competitive with the top teams in the country. COACHING has gotten us to two 10-2 regular seasons.

JF is making inroads. I believe we have 15 four star players (per Rivals) with 4-6 more likely this cycle.

4 or 5 star players 2014-2017.

Alabama 19, 19, 15, 26= 79*
Ohio State 16, 14, 17, 17= 64*
LSU 17, 12, 15, 14= 58*
Auburn 14, 18, 15, 9= 56*
Tennessee 18, 17, 11, 9= 55
Georgia 13, 13, 13, 16= 55*
Florida State 16, 14, 19, 13= 52
USC 1, 21, 13, 17 = 52*
Oklahoma 9, 14, 11, 18= 51*
Texas A&M 13, 12, 10, 13= 48
Michigan 7, 6, 16, 19= 48
Florida 13, 7, 10, 15= 45
Notre Dame 11, 13, 13, 8= 45*
UCLA 12, 12, 12, 8= 44
Texas 6, 15, 14, 8= 43
Clemson 8, 12, 13, 9= 42*
South Carolina 10, 11, 7, 7= 35
Penn State 6, 11, 6, 11= 34*

Pretty telling and you can pretty much make a case that PSU has done way better with less than any team on that list. Some might actually say that is "good coaching", but hey maybe we can look at an OL coach on youtube blabbering a bit more.
 
Pretty telling and you can pretty much make a case that PSU has done way better with less than any team on that list. Some might actually say that is "good coaching", but hey maybe we can look at an OL coach on youtube blabbering a bit more.
from your statement you obliviously dont know who the blabbering OL coach is.

what is more obvious is, you dont know how to watch film.
 
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from your statement you obliviously dont know who the blabbering OL coach is.

what is more obvious is, you dont know how to watch film.
Oh I can see an unblocked TFL due to a missed block after the fact as well as the next guy, but I also know what a good offense PSU has and don't obsess on it like I have discovered fire. Hey...can you link the video again so I won't watch it again? Maybe the 50th time will work and you'll be that new OC at PSU...oooops, too late.. Then again you playing ball in the 40's makes you a better coach than Moorhead or Franklin too....the world just missed it.
 
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Oh I can see an unblocked TFL due to a missed block after the fact as well as the next guy, but I also know what a good offense PSU has and don't obsess on it like I have discovered fire. Hey...can you link the video again so I won't watch it again? Maybe the 50th time will work and you'll be that new OC at PSU...oooops, too late.. Then again you playing ball in the 40's makes you a better coach than Moorhead or Franklin too....the world just missed it.
2 problems with your statements
1) the guy was unblocked, not because our guys missed the block or could not execute the play. but because guys making almost $2,000,000 per year decided it would be a good idea to leave that guy unblocked and did so with out regard to the situation. You know, like backed up at your own 17, trying to protect a lead, 4th qtr and according to you, playing a much more talented team.
2) it shows you dont know who the 'blabbering fool' is, you dont know how to watch film, and you are not open to new modern ways of doing things. I wonder why guys in the NFL block this way? But keep saying for the 50th time, but we average 41 points a game, how can the offense be broke??
 
I pointed to one game--- One Game that was THE GAME in EVERYONES LEDGER!!!! As a coach you better be able to bring it that game if any other during the season) The better coaches avoid those mistakes or at least keep them to a minimum and then the games are won or lost on the field by the players

This is completely against JF's philosophy. EVERY game is important. You prepare 100% for every game.

The alternative is to prepare like Narduzzi, where the Penn State game is the super bowl and everything is handled differently. Then you go out the following week and give up 50 points in the first half to Oklahoma State.

10-2 the last two regular seasons. Chance to finish in the Top 10 two years in a row.

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2 problems with your statements
1) the guy was unblocked, not because our guys missed the block or could not execute the play. but because guys making almost $2,000,000 per year decided it would be a good idea to leave that guy unblocked and did so with out regard to the situation. You know, like backed up at your own 17, trying to protect a lead, 4th qtr and according to you, playing a much more talented team.
2) it shows you dont know who the 'blabbering fool' is, you dont know how to watch film, and you are not open to new modern ways of doing things. I wonder why guys in the NFL block this way? But keep saying for the 50th time, but we average 41 points a game, how can the offense be broke??
How is it you are on this site and not coaching? I know why, but do you at least grab your butt cheeks when you continue to talk out your arse. Let me guess, you're too good for the jobs and already are making 4-5 million a year on the side helping Saban or Belichick out. That must be it. You are the KING of hind sight and were so wrong about Franklin initially that you are hanging on to the only chinks in his armor. It's funny to me as PSU's stock is still going up and you're just mad that it is Franklin doing it...transparent as hell too.

Let me link the Iowa Youtube video or the quick change in the backfield to open up the UM game that led to a 69 yard TD and do it 50 times...it must mean something then. I mean if we only can show one side of the picture...the smallest side as this offense was and is a success...then maybe you don't have half as much as you think you do.
 
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How is it you are on this site and not coaching? I know why, but do you at least grab your butt cheeks when you continue to talk out your arse. Let me guess, you're too good for the jobs and already are making 4-5 million a year on the side helping Saban or Belichick out. That must be it.
you know you are really, really boring. You dont want to learn anything new, you dont know who the 'blabbering fool' is, you dont really know anything about football, other than to look at Max Preps and see who is a 4 star or a 5star. When you watch the tape we can talk.
 
I once saw a Alabama QB sacked by an unblocked defensive end.

Nick Saban is a malfeasant clown.

If he is not fired immediately - he should at least be required to hire Sluggo as his Consulting Mensch.
on the other hand, we havent seen Nick give up a 15 point lead in the 4th qtr to their rival, but I am sure you will find something along those lines. You seem to know everything there is about football.... BOT meetings....school budgets......
 
you know you are really, really boring. You dont want to learn anything new, you dont know who the 'blabbering fool' is, you dont really know anything about football, other than to look at Max Preps and see who is a 4 star or a 5star. When you watch the tape we can talk.
Boring...you only can talk about the 2 losses and the negative plays there and are on repeat mode with them like a person with AWFUL OCD as you can't admit this offense works and was great the last 2 years. It bothers you that this system is working...and it's clear as hell to anyone who watched you post all along. You were wrong about Franklin and the JUCO crap, in fact Phil stated that pretty clearly on the pay site. You are wrong about the offense not working, so you hold on to a handful of plays like you are some GD football guru that has blessed this board with his knowledge by linking videos to other coaches talking. You are the epitome of boring and are stuck on the negative plays as they are the only thing you care about.
 
on the other hand, we havent seen Nick give up a 15 point lead in the 4th qtr to their rival, but I am sure you will find something along those lines. You seem to know everything there is about football.... BOT meetings....school budgets......
We saw Nick try a long FG and let it get returned to lose a game to his rival...when he clearly had more talent....nice try but another fail for you. We just saw his offense get held to 14 points on the road to close out the year to his rival and there is NO DOUBT AT ALL which team was "more talented" there. Maybe you can send him your video?
 
We saw Nick try a long FG and let it get returned to lose a game to his rival...when he clearly had more talent....nice try but another fail for you. We just saw his offense get held to 14 points on the road to close out the year to his rival and there is NO DOUBT AT ALL which team was "more talented" there. Maybe you can send him your video?
so when he kicked the FG he was winning by 15?
 
so when he kicked the FG he was winning by 15?
He was way out of range and instead of punting made a bone head decision that allowed for a KR against a bunch of OL....it was dumb. He also lost this year by only putting up 14 this year on the road, so maybe his offense is broke too since apparently you think the only way to judge any offense is by the losses or negative plays. The big picture is the offense works and the last 2 years show that....sorry it's not your style of offense. Harp on the negative sluggo, it's all you got and all you do.

Every team, coach, and system can be beat...big picture for PSU is looking great. Sorry you hate it right now because you didn't like the coaching hire.
 
So your contention is that the offense is broke?
no not all, I've said many times I like this offense, especially the passing game. What I dont like is 1) either how block the run plays or 2) if they want to continue to block the run plays the way they do, then we have to change the technique we use, imo. I asked you why you thought Mahon was a better OT then OG, maybe you missed that, but it does seem like who ever we plug in at OG, (and C) do seem to struggle. Why? would be a reasonable question, why can Mahon play pretty well at OT but struggle at OG. My conclusion, is we ask our OG's to make impossible blocks. We ask our guy on the backside, to man block the 1 or 2 technique. The problem is, the way we block, we set our guy to fail 2/3 times (at best 1/3 times) So I dont think it is fair to say, we are young, we just suck, we dont have talent. I dont believe any of those things. I think they need to be coached differently. I never said ML should be fired or JM cost the SB the Heisman. I just point out why we get plays blown up, and if we did it another way, why the same exact play would have a chance. But when you say things like this, some what to label you an 'expert', which I am not, all I did was watch a tape, and if you do it jumps off the page at you.
 
no not all, I've said many times I like this offense, especially the passing game. What I dont like is 1) either how block the run plays or 2) if they want to continue to block the run plays the way they do, then we have to change the technique we use, imo. I asked you why you thought Mahon was a better OT then OG, maybe you missed that, but it does seem like who ever we plug in at OG, (and C) do seem to struggle. Why? would be a reasonable question, why can Mahon play pretty well at OT but struggle at OG. My conclusion, is we ask our OG's to make impossible blocks. We ask our guy on the backside, to man block the 1 or 2 technique. The problem is, the way we block, we set our guy to fail 2/3 times (at best 1/3 times) So I dont think it is fair to say, we are young, we just suck, we dont have talent. I dont believe any of those things. I think they need to be coached differently. I never said ML should be fired or JM cost the SB the Heisman. I just point out why we get plays blown up, and if we did it another way, why the same exact play would have a chance. But when you say things like this, some what to label you an 'expert', which I am not, all I did was watch a tape, and if you do it jumps off the page at you.
So you can "watch the tape" and see it easily but guys that get paid millions of dollars and do it for a living can't see it? My other question is why are you watching game film? Does Franklin pay you on the side for your expertise? Or is it because you do it for the Pop Warner team you coach and now you're an expert at it? Obviously there's a reason Franklin and JoeMo do what they do and I have way more faith in them than a random message board poster.
 
So you can "watch the tape" and see it easily but guys that get paid millions of dollars and do it for a living can't see it? My other question is why are you watching game film? Does Franklin pay you on the side for your expertise? Or is it because you do it for the Pop Warner team you coach and now you're an expert at it? Obviously there's a reason Franklin and JoeMo do what they do and I have way more faith in them than a random message board poster.
I'll put this tape here for you. It should be set to the important parts. Watch if for like for just 2 minutes (or more if you like, or not and put your head in the sand) You will hear why. Sometimes college coaches are doing everything but coaching. They have to recruit. meet with players etc and maybe that's why they dont know. . Or perhaps they do know, but dont agree, and do it their way. Fine. I am certainly no expert, but 'this blabbering fool' most certainly is. Franklin doesnt pay me to do any of this. I've never coached a Pop Warner team. I dont believe kids that age should be playing organized sports. You can trust CJF and JoeMo (well he is gone now) all you want. I know I do, and have said as much. I just wish they would change a few things relative to blocking schemes/techniques, to bring them to a more modern style.
What would be nice, if in the off season, he had the O sit down with this 'Blabbering fool', pay his $50,000 consulting fee or whatever it is, and see if any changes need to be made.

 
The fact that the PSU offensive line was overmatched against a couple of the opponents' defensive lines (particularly tOSU's DL) surely played a part in Saquon not getting more rushing yards, but the play calling also had a part in it. How many times did Saquon get the ball, flat footed in the backfield, with opposing linemen or linebackers already on top of him? A whole lot. That alone suggested some kind of change in strategy.

In the final game of the year, the Lions ran a "student body right" (i.e., pitch to Saquon for an end around), followed immediately by a "student body left." Both plays resulted in nice gains. Yean, it was Maryland, but it was fantastic to see him get the ball in space. I watched every PSU game this year, and can't recall seeing the Lions run that play any other time.

Lastly, I'm shocked (shocked, I say) to find myself disagreeing with you yet again. :cool:
Hey, I’m not saying that we couldn’t have called plays to get SB more yards. More straight runs would have yielded more yards for him on the ground. But that takes away McSorley’s chance to break a play. It should also be noted that SB dropped a few wheel route passes that would have been big plays and possibly TDs. He easily should have had 100 more yards receiving. Again, taking the macro view, we got him involved plenty and called plays that made our offense the 6th best in the nation.
 
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So you can "watch the tape" and see it easily but guys that get paid millions of dollars and do it for a living can't see it? My other question is why are you watching game film? Does Franklin pay you on the side for your expertise? Or is it because you do it for the Pop Warner team you coach and now you're an expert at it? Obviously there's a reason Franklin and JoeMo do what they do and I have way more faith in them than a random message board poster.

Or the "just run outside" guys....like Barkley could average 8 yards per carry but the coaches were too dumb to run him outside. Guess it never occurred to them.
 
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