Let's just say, I don't generally place people on ignore for the reason you stated. However, in this instance, it was a good move
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Let's just say, I don't generally place people on ignore for the reason you stated. However, in this instance, it was a good move
The thought of having Hall and Lee joining the forces already in place is just crazy exciting! I did hear Spencer say he originally planned to announce after States this year but will not at this time. Still like our chances.......and as well as his surgery and rehab have gone, perhaps he wants to stay close to Dr. Bradley.
Your statements didn't have reality to back them up. And saying any team is elite is subjective. I'd counter that constant title winners are elite. The rest.. looking up.
Iowa does have elite wrestlers... in Thomas Gilman, Cory Clark, Brandon Sorensen and Sammy Brooks, but that still might not be enough to stay with Penn State.
First hand.
Also, take a good hard look at what is happening....and know that Jimmy did this for his team this year. Every time he takes the mat he is wrestling somebody bigger than him.
That's truly and obviously subjective. Sammy Brooks just won a Big Ten Title and Brandon Sorensen just made his 2nd Big Ten final in consecutive years. He had the second best freshman season in Iowa wrestling history with 40 wins last year.
Is Nico not elite because he's never won a Big Ten Title and placed 2nd, 2nd, 3rd in the National Tourney? I know he's elite. I told him so and he was grateful for someone feeling that way.
Lighten up a little Francis.
We know your analyst isn't elite. Were you ever... to know what elite is? Ever compete in a Big Ten Final... Champ?
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You used the word "elite", perhaps we have a different definition of the word....?
"Elite". Sorenson and Brooks are BOTH excellent wrestlers. Are they "elite"? No.
Yes, Nico is elite. Nico has gone to two, and (hopefully) THREE NCAA finals. So far, neither Sorenson nor Brooks have done so. The book is still out of Sorenson, but as of RIGHT NOW, no, he is not "elite", and Brooks HAS been around, and no, he is not elite. When he meets Gabe Dean, IF he meets Gabe Dean, this will again prove itself out. However, he'll need to get by 2 or 3 others whom IF he beats them it would be an upset, to see Gabe Dean, who he has zero chance to beat. He's not elite.
Where did you guys pick up this 21guns fella? He sure is a character. He reminds me of the MitchL guy on HawkeyeReport. They should be best friends!
I would consistently like to differ from your opinion of elite: Sammy Brooks bio:
2012 Junior National Greco-Roman (182 lb.) and Freestyle (195 lb.) champion... won bronze medal at 2011 FILA Cadet Freestyle World Championships in Szombathely, Hungary... 2011 FILA Cadet Greco-Roman (84 kg) and Freestyle (84 kg) champion... 2011 Junior Nationals All-American in Greco-Roman and Freestyle... 2010 Cadet National Greco-Roman and Freestyle finalist.
He's been a bronze medalist in the WORLD in freestyle. I'd say the 3rd best in the world is being elite.
He's coming into his own as a junior in folkstyle and just won a Big Ten Title. I would think the other competitors who couldn't beat him think he's elite as he was the CHAMPION.
Ed Ruth who was on a different level of elite lost... to Gabe Dean. Was Ed NOT elite because he lost to Gabe Dean at the height of his career?
2012 Junior National Greco-Roman (182 lb.) and Freestyle (195 lb.) champion... won bronze medal at 2011 FILA Cadet Freestyle World Championships in Szombathely, Hungary... 2011 FILA Cadet Greco-Roman (84 kg) and Freestyle (84 kg) champion... 2011 Junior Nationals All-American in Greco-Roman and Freestyle... 2010 Cadet National Greco-Roman and Freestyle finalist.
He's been a bronze medalist in the WORLD in freestyle. I'd say the 3rd best in the world is being elite.
He's coming into his own as a junior in folkstyle and just won a Big Ten Title. I would think the other competitors who couldn't beat him think he's elite as he was the CHAMPION.
Ed Ruth who was on a different level of elite lost... to Gabe Dean. Was Ed NOT elite because he lost to Gabe Dean at the height of his career?
He very much reminds me of an overly opinionated, blustery, big headed, big mouthed, little gunned Mitch L.
Ironic, since that is the very thing you just typed out on your little internet keypad: A bunch of blustery, big mouthed, little gunned, anonymous, words.
As Gabe Dean lost a seemingly easy match to Nolan Boyd at home. Is Gabe Dean no longer elite because he got taken down at will by Nolan Boyd... who is no where near "elite"?
Your argument is in freestyle. "Elite", in NCAA FOLKSTYLE wrestling, does not happen if you don't make a final in your career.
Gabe Dean was coming off of an injury and was not in wrestling condition.
Care to make a bet on who wins if they meet this weekend in NYC? That's what I thought.
Ed Ruth was clearly elite before that match and didn't have to win that match to be considered one of the best ever.
That is correct. He had already won two national championships.
Keep pedaling though, it's amusing me. LMAO.
Hey... 21 Douche bags... We've already proven that elite wrestlers can lose to other non elite wrestlers.
I'd love to win a Big Ten Title and have my name in the record books as a Big Ten Champ along with a World Bronze Medal at anything,. It doesn't quite compare I know to being an message board blow hard... with no recognition as you pick on kids that have actually accomplished something in their lives.
There's no award for Blow Hard of the YEAR.... but you're still ELITE at it. I assure you... no one is taking your title.
Wait, you don't know him, Turk? I was at least hoping he was an HR plant job. Cuz that would've been funny.
Nobody is "picking" on anyone. I stated a fact, that at this point, neither Sorenson, nor Brooks, are "elite". You won't find a single person in wrestling, FOLKSTYLE NCAA WRESTLING, who AT THIS POINT, would call either "ELITE".
You are throwing accusations without merit, in an attempt to bait. Won't work. "Elite" is a description that cannot apply without at least one appearance in an NCAA final. When Brooks and Sorenson reach the finals, which may in fact be this week, then the discussion can
You are the one typing out words on a keypad.
My pm is available if you care to discuss things socially.
I agree we will have two different definitions of elite. If we applied your definition to Football of having to be constant title winners to be elite, then the only football program that is elite is Alabama. But I consider programs like OSU, FSU, USC, etc to be elite Football programs. I think things like tradition, fan support, national title contention all factor into being an "elite program".
Also, with your definition. Programs have to be constant title winners to be "Elite". But the IOWA wrestlers you listed are not constant title winners. So wrestlers do NOT have to be constant title winners to be "Elite".
Don't you think those two things contradict?
But like you said, what you consider elite is subjective so your definition is as correct as mine.
Also, with your definition. Programs have to be constant title winners to be "Elite". But the IOWA wrestlers you listed are not constant title winners. So wrestlers do NOT have to be constant title winners to be "Elite".
Don't you think those two things contradict?
But like you said, what you consider elite is subjective so your definition is as correct as mine.
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Your arbitrary feeling is NOT FACT. That you are self absorbed in your own opinions... is clearly factual.
Your arbitrary opinion of getting into the finals to be elite... is merely YOUR opinion. Others might NOT agree with you... like myself and you're not polling Iowa fans who surely will feel different than you and your opinion will never be more... than your opinion. You seem to be standing up tall... behind your own opinion. Megalomania, egotistical and self absorbed commenting is repulsive and not elite.
Keep muttering non-sense. You're the only one who cares. I don't see anyone substantiating your blabberings and egotistical drivel. Your opinions are merely your criteria... shared currently by you.
Jason Tsirtsis made it into a final and he's not considered remotely one of the elites at 149. His lack of offensive display or wrestling skill on a regular basis against mediocre talent. Did that make him elite? The same can be said of Kendric Maple when an unheralded, perennial 2nd teamer, James English beat him... a former National Champ. Was Kendric Maple elite? Many would say NO. He made a final.
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Hasn't been announced yet, but there's time -- event is 3/26 (2 weeks from yesterday).
My guess on the PA team:
- 113: Kevan Gentile, Jim Thorpe (AA 106 S1)
- 120: Charlie Lenox, Ft. LeBouef (AA S1)
- 126: Luke Karam, Bethlehem Catholic (AAA S1, 3x champ)
- 132: Taylor Ortz, Brookville (AA S1) (alternate Joey Gould, Bethlehem Catholic, AAA S1)
- 138: Luke Pletcher, Latrobe (AAA S1, 3x champ) or Mickey Phillippi, Derry (AA S1, 3x champ)
- 145: Pletcher or Phillippi (alternate Mike Carr, South Fayette, AA S1, 2x champ)
- 152: Hayden Hidlay, Mifflin County (AAA S1)
- 160: Kaleb Young, Punxsutawney (AAA S1) or Jake Wentzel, South Park, AA S1, 2x champ
- 170: Young or Wentzel
- 182: Greg Bulsak, South Park (AA S1, 2x champ)
- 195: John Jakobsen, Stroudsburg (AAA S1)
- 220: Jordan Wood, Boyertown (AAA 2015 champ) if healthy, otherwise Jake Robb, Armstrong (AAA S1)
- 285: Andrew Gunning, Bethlehem Liberty (AAA S1)
I'm putting Gentile over 2x AAA 106 champ Tyson Klump because (1) he was much better this year, (2) he's national top 5 and Klump isn't nationally ranked.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ortz get squeezed out -- committee could use the weight allowance to put Pletcher or Phillippi at 132, and thus have room for all 3 multi-champs (including Carr). Or, one of those 3 (likely Carr) would go in the WPIAL undercard.
My guess on the PA team:
- 113: Kevan Gentile, Jim Thorpe (AA 106 S1)
- 120: Charlie Lenox, Ft. LeBouef (AA S1)
- 126: Luke Karam, Bethlehem Catholic (AAA S1, 3x champ)
- 132: Taylor Ortz, Brookville (AA S1) (alternate Joey Gould, Bethlehem Catholic, AAA S1)
- 138: Luke Pletcher, Latrobe (AAA S1, 3x champ) or Mickey Phillippi, Derry (AA S1, 3x champ)
- 145: Pletcher or Phillippi (alternate Mike Carr, South Fayette, AA S1, 2x champ)
- 152: Hayden Hidlay, Mifflin County (AAA S1)
- 160: Kaleb Young, Punxsutawney (AAA S1) or Jake Wentzel, South Park, AA S1, 2x champ
- 170: Young or Wentzel
- 182: Greg Bulsak, South Park (AA S1, 2x champ)
- 195: John Jakobsen, Stroudsburg (AAA S1)
- 220: Jordan Wood, Boyertown (AAA 2015 champ) if healthy, otherwise Jake Robb, Armstrong (AAA S1)
- 285: Andrew Gunning, Bethlehem Liberty (AAA S1)
I'm putting Gentile over 2x AAA 106 champ Tyson Klump because (1) he was much better this year, (2) he's national top 5 and Klump isn't nationally ranked.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ortz get squeezed out -- committee could use the weight allowance to put Pletcher or Phillippi at 132, and thus have room for all 3 multi-champs (including Carr). Or, one of those 3 (likely Carr) would go in the WPIAL undercard.
I love the the wrestling message board scene so so much. Thanks for the laughs here. Looking forward to seeing the PSU and Iowa boys (and many others) lay it all on the line later this week. March madness is here!
Mark Hall vs. Kaleb Young at 170 would provide us with some more PSU/Iowa intrigue ...
This post aged pretty well!
