Marsteller...
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OMG he is DONE....Hope he gets his life together off the mat....
Cael saying bye bye to Chance is looking smarter and smarter. Can you imagine if we kept Chance and didn't get Nolf?
Six counts, so there were a bunch of people involved and witnesses present. Details unlikely to be good for Marsteller. I hope he gets some help, but he's always come off like a kid with a big chip on his shoulder and those kids aren't easy to get through to. Obviously doesn't bode well for this season or the next even. Maybe with wrestling off the board he can focus on himself w/o the distraction of the limelight.
I read as though he beat the crap out of a lot of people and maybe some cops. He must have been upset. There are two sides to every story.
geez, appears diggerpup posted this while I was reading the PennLive articles on Lock Haven (which I posted in another thread).
with the caveat that at this point he's only accused, it seems as though the upcoming wrestling season, or college wrestling, should be the least of his concerns. I always hate to read about, or observe, a talented athlete throwing away the opportunities that are presented to them.
with the caveat that at this point he's only accused, it seems as though the upcoming wrestling season, or college wrestling, should be the least of his concerns. I always hate to read about, or observe, a talented athlete throwing away the opportunities that are presented to them.
While I agree that there are two sides to the original story, I doubt there is a good reason for having to be subdued at a hospital.
A lot of college wrestlers have had night like this, well minus the cops
This. I know plenty of well-intentioned, good-hearted college wrestlers that have put people in pain, while inebriated.
Wrestlers are human. In most cases, they're just a step below super-human.
He's no longer on the team...that was quick which tells me that its pretty cut and dry. Reminds me of the quote from The Bronx Tale..."Nothing worse than wasted talent."
Chance is going to do what Chance is going to do. At this point, I feel bad for Moore. The prospect of him crafting a LHU resurgence this year was exciting to follow. I hope this setback turns out to delay the process only slightly. Maybe there is another guy from an Oklahoma program who might give LHU a look? #wishfulthinking
bad parenting makes good kids troubled adults.
my personal opinion is this kid has a big heart but there is a sizeable whole in it.
Hopefully in the years ahead he fills it with all that is good in life.
this is a painful-painful post.
my personal opinion is this kid has a big heart but there is a sizeable whole in it.
Hopefully in the years ahead he fills it with all that is good in life.
this is a painful-painful post.
I know it's easy for me to say because I didn't face that upbringing ... but others have emerged from worse situations with no public issues. Jordan Oliver for starters. His future is his choice, or rather a true commitment along with consistently good day-to-day choices.
Hopefully he figures it out in very short order, before people stop giving him chances -- and I don't just mean wrestling, rather the mentoring and support he needs but keeps pushing away.
wonder if mason manville would be someone for moore to watch. I see it tough to find a place in psu lineup
Very sad situation. Hope he gets the help he needs it is out there it is up to him no one else.
Always? BS! I clearly remember Chance addressing media representatives as "sir" and being very well mannered in the interviews I saw. He also was praised for helping his teammates in HS.
I agree, it's easy for someone to say if they didn't face that upbringing.
I'm curious as to the charges for both simple assault and aggravated assault. Maybe they're throwing as much as possible against the wall just to see what sticks. I'm sure there are attorneys who read this board that could give us their two cents (then charge us a dollar, ha!)
Granted, using "always" as a qualifier is always a bad idea, but by suggesting he's had a chip on his shoulder I didn't mean that was disrespectful or poor-mannered, because you're right, that wouldn't be accurate. By that I meant that he's had a lot going on his life and perhaps because of that felt the constant pressure of having something to prove, and that much has been visible for awhile now. Maybe "chip on his shoulder" would've been better phrased as "weight of the world."
Updated article
LOCK HAVEN — Chance Marsteller, a four-time PIAA wrestling champion most recently at Lock Haven University, was placed in the Clinton County Correctional Facility on Friday after an overnight incident at his residence and in the emergency room of Lock Haven Hospital. In all five police officers from three different departments were involved in his arrest and subsequent altercation at the hospital.
Marsteller, 21, was arraigned before magisterial district judge John Maggs by video from the correctional facility. He is jailed there in default of $50,000 monetary bail, charged with six counts of aggravated assault, disorderly conduct, disorderly conduct/fighting, six counts of recklessly endangering another, six counts of simple assault and one count of open lewdness.
The Lock Haven police affidavit of probable cause paints a difficult night for officers responding to the two separate incidents involving the York County native, finally resorting to a tranquilizing agent to end what police allege was his violent resistance at the hospital.
The city police criminal complaint says the first incident occurred at 11:35 p.m. Thursday when Marsteller was observed by others allegedly running door to door at the apartments of Evergreen Commons, a student housing facility, knocking on doors while naked.
Police responded and their report said Marsteller began to argue with them about obtaining his identification. Police at that point said they handcuffed him behind his back and placed a towel around him.
He was placed in a patrol car, police said, with the intent to take him to the county prison. But he allegedly engaged “in threatening officers and screaming obscenities;” he also slammed his head against a partition several times. Their report said while transporting him he resumed slamming his head and they had to resort to pepper spray to “successfully get him to cease harming himself.” After that police said they took him to the Lock Haven Hospital emergency room to “detoxify him.”
A further disturbance occurred there, the police report said, and included an effort to “violently lunge off the bed from his sitting position” at the ER staff member on duty, but officers intercepted him.
Two city police officers attempted to restrain the accused by “proning him out on the floor.” The incident continued with Marsteller allegedly refusing to be restrained while “kicking, elbowing, biting, head-butting, splitting blood.” An LHU police officer and two state troopers were summoned to lend assistance. During the altercation, city police said, the “ER staff did inject Marsteller with several doses of tranquilizing agent. Marsteller did continue to violently resist until those drugs took full effect at approximately 1 a.m.”
A Lock Haven University spokesman later told the media that Marsteller is off the school’s wrestling team. Marsteller, an undefeated high school wrestler, transferred from Oklahoma State to Lock Haven for the upcoming season. He had been dismissed from the OSU team last winter for reported team rules violations.
He was one of the most sought-after high school wrestlers in the nation two years ago. Marsteller joined the LHU program in May of this year and was a runner-up at the University Nationals in Akron, Ohio in June.
LOCK HAVEN — Chance Marsteller, a four-time PIAA wrestling champion most recently at Lock Haven University, was placed in the Clinton County Correctional Facility on Friday after an overnight incident at his residence and in the emergency room of Lock Haven Hospital. In all five police officers from three different departments were involved in his arrest and subsequent altercation at the hospital.
Marsteller, 21, was arraigned before magisterial district judge John Maggs by video from the correctional facility. He is jailed there in default of $50,000 monetary bail, charged with six counts of aggravated assault, disorderly conduct, disorderly conduct/fighting, six counts of recklessly endangering another, six counts of simple assault and one count of open lewdness.
The Lock Haven police affidavit of probable cause paints a difficult night for officers responding to the two separate incidents involving the York County native, finally resorting to a tranquilizing agent to end what police allege was his violent resistance at the hospital.
The city police criminal complaint says the first incident occurred at 11:35 p.m. Thursday when Marsteller was observed by others allegedly running door to door at the apartments of Evergreen Commons, a student housing facility, knocking on doors while naked.
Police responded and their report said Marsteller began to argue with them about obtaining his identification. Police at that point said they handcuffed him behind his back and placed a towel around him.
He was placed in a patrol car, police said, with the intent to take him to the county prison. But he allegedly engaged “in threatening officers and screaming obscenities;” he also slammed his head against a partition several times. Their report said while transporting him he resumed slamming his head and they had to resort to pepper spray to “successfully get him to cease harming himself.” After that police said they took him to the Lock Haven Hospital emergency room to “detoxify him.”
A further disturbance occurred there, the police report said, and included an effort to “violently lunge off the bed from his sitting position” at the ER staff member on duty, but officers intercepted him.
Two city police officers attempted to restrain the accused by “proning him out on the floor.” The incident continued with Marsteller allegedly refusing to be restrained while “kicking, elbowing, biting, head-butting, splitting blood.” An LHU police officer and two state troopers were summoned to lend assistance. During the altercation, city police said, the “ER staff did inject Marsteller with several doses of tranquilizing agent. Marsteller did continue to violently resist until those drugs took full effect at approximately 1 a.m.”
A Lock Haven University spokesman later told the media that Marsteller is off the school’s wrestling team. Marsteller, an undefeated high school wrestler, transferred from Oklahoma State to Lock Haven for the upcoming season. He had been dismissed from the OSU team last winter for reported team rules violations.
He was one of the most sought-after high school wrestlers in the nation two years ago. Marsteller joined the LHU program in May of this year and was a runner-up at the University Nationals in Akron, Ohio in June.
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So, yeah, the comment about throwing every possible charge against the wall to ensure something sticks sounds about right.
No mention of violence until police are involved, and then a backlash against authority ensues. Add in alcohol or other substance, and I think everyone knows it is a recipe for a rough night.
Not making excuses for Marsteller, but it doesn't sound like he was out to beat people up. Alcohol/substance-fueled rage against being controlled or reprimanded is not uncommon. Unfortunately, most local-level law enforcement offices don't have personnel to specialize in dealing with that mindset to talk the person down to avoid violence. It is "do what I say unless you want to be sprayed (or tazed)", and 99% of the time that approach ensures the fight is on. Again, no excuses for Marsteller putting himself in that position, but the outcome could have been different with a non-traditional approach.
No mention of violence until police are involved, and then a backlash against authority ensues. Add in alcohol or other substance, and I think everyone knows it is a recipe for a rough night.
Not making excuses for Marsteller, but it doesn't sound like he was out to beat people up. Alcohol/substance-fueled rage against being controlled or reprimanded is not uncommon. Unfortunately, most local-level law enforcement offices don't have personnel to specialize in dealing with that mindset to talk the person down to avoid violence. It is "do what I say unless you want to be sprayed (or tazed)", and 99% of the time that approach ensures the fight is on. Again, no excuses for Marsteller putting himself in that position, but the outcome could have been different with a non-traditional approach.
So no excuses for Marsteller, but excuses for Marsteller.
Maybe a Tranq gun like they use to stop enraged rhinos would have been the most efficient and safest route for all involved.
I love you man, but your post was making excuses for Marstellar. He and he alone put himself in harms way by running around naked banging on doors at 11:30pm. The consequences that follow those actions are all on him. All of them.
And how frightening for the girls at that residence facility.
Recruiting mistakes will still happen, but I'm glad to see Cael and staff focusing on motivated "straight-edge" type kids. I'd rather they focus on school, wrestling, and Clash of Clans than trying to be the cool party guy.
That's not really a fair characterization of what I'm trying to say. No excuses for Marsteller, but all the fighting, drama, and charges that play out in these situations time and time again (Marsteller is not the first) are avoidable if resources are made available to approach the problem in alternative ways.
Hey, I completely understand anyone who wants a malicious antagonist subdued with swift force in the traditional way. But I'm also hearing that Marsteller's upbringing may have had some negative influence on him. I'm just trying to leave a little room for empathy. If he has issues with authority because of experiences during early childhood development, then it explains -- not excuses, but explains -- the violent reaction to police when he felt threatened.
Part of my point was that the original offense to trigger police action (disturbing the public by going door to door naked) was not characterized as a malicious act. That should carry some weight in how the situation is viewed. He may have been locked out of his apartment or disoriented. A gentler approach (or dart gun as you suggested) may have produced a less traumatic, expensive outcome. I'm just saying that these scenarios don't always have to escalate if we, as a society, provide law enforcement with multiple tools.
However, if you want to threaten force against a mind-altered individual who has issues with authority, then the scenes described in the article will be the normal outcome.
It does sound like you guys know a little more about the details than do I, suggesting the original act was, indeed, an intent to harrass or provoke others. If that is the case, then I am not sympathetic to the outcome for Marsteller. That said, I do stand by my general commentary about how these things can be handled. If resources are available, a quieter, less expensive outcome for society would seem preferable to the circus that ensued.
I do have empathy for Chance. He had a difficult parenting. That said, the police don't know that. They just see an out of control 21 year old being stupid and high on something. They cuff him and then Chance acts out (allegedly) in the cruiser. They subdue him for his protection and not to hurt him. At the hospital, he lunges at a medical person, and it takes three locals and two troopers to bring him down with the help of hospital drugs. I'm not seeing the "drunk on power" or the "need for retraining" of the officers. I think they handled it fine if what has been reported is true. They didn't beat the crap out of Chance. Instead, they gave him every opportunity to settle down.
Flagging you 10 yards, Expressing Nuance on a Message Board. Still first down.
I've seen what you're saying play out a number of times though, and I think that's generally right--some problems are best met with less force but more often than not force is plan A, B, and C. But it's also perfectly predictable how this played out, it's not as if CM can allocate blame elsewhere this morning.
Why so angry this early in the day, jschrantz? Especially on a Saturday, Dude...
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