Mastriano destroyed Oz and gave the Senate to the evil 🤡 party

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Republicans had nothing to say to 18 to 35 year olds and lost about 65% of the votes. That is a priority in the next election if they hope to win. Another alternative is to excite their base a lot more. The youngsters voted in a much higher percentage than their parents and grandparents.
Yes they did. More than ever before. Two reasons: abortion and college loan forgiveness.
 

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I voted for Barletta for Gov and Kathy Barnette for the senate. Both would have been better candidates than Mastriano and Oz. I believe Oz would have won if Mastriano wasn't on the ticket. Matriano was toxic and the Dems played his flaws to the hilt.
Mastriano was toxic not only because of his stand on abortion but his terrible campaign. He was unknown state wide and had far less cash than his opponent. So what did he do to overcome that? Why he refused to do any interviews or even talk to the press. He even refused to let them into most of his functions.

I certainly understand his distrust of the media. They are mostly progressive snakes with their own agendas. But he needed to get his face and name out there and he didn’t have other means to do so. He should have done selective interviews and had his own people video them to keep them honest. Totally hiding from them was a terrible look for a guy trying to establish an image.
 

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Mastriano was toxic not only because of his stand on abortion but his terrible campaign. He was unknown state wide and had far less cash than his opponent. So what did he do to overcome that? Why he refused to do any interviews or even talk to the press. He even refused to let them into most of his functions.

I certainly understand his distrust of the media. They are mostly progressive snakes with their own agendas. But he needed to get his face and name out there and he didn’t have other means to do so. He should have done selective interviews and had his own people video them to keep them honest. Totally hiding from them was a terrible look for a guy trying to establish an image.
There is truth to what you aid but he was out spent by app 30x. He rose to the attention of many by fighting are ridiculous COVID restrictions. Basically he said what Ron Desantis said be he's toxic? If they backed him like the DNC backed a brain dead guy, he wins.
It's why I'm opting out. You know what toxic is? Not backing your guy while the other side increasingly pushes more inept candidates and wins. It's a huge F you from my old party and it's a bigger one from the democrats.
So the RNC and Pa. Republicans now have to win myself and my wife back. She decided to vote the first time at the age of 42, inspired by Trump. I never missed an election since I was 18. the last two years I saw with the changes it doesn't matter, so why bother?
 

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There is truth to what you aid but he was out spent by app 30x. He rose to the attention of many by fighting are ridiculous COVID restrictions. Basically he said what Ron Desantis said be he's toxic? If they backed him like the DNC backed a brain dead guy, he wins.
It's why I'm opting out. You know what toxic is? Not backing your guy while the other side increasingly pushes more inept candidates and wins. It's a huge F you from my old party and it's a bigger one from the democrats.
So the RNC and Pa. Republicans now have to win myself and my wife back. She decided to vote the first time at the age of 42, inspired by Trump. I never missed an election since I was 18. the last two years I saw with the changes it doesn't matter, so why bother?
A decision to not vote is a vote for democrats.
 

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A decision to not vote is a vote for democrats.
So? I can wipe out 100 Republican votes in 5 minutes with mail in ballots. I can fill out 1000 in an hour or two. Now imagine 1000 people like me canvassing inner city areas? The republicans don't have those numbers.
And for what's it's worth I can accomplish nothing by doing nothing so give me a better reason. If you lost me, imagine who else you have lost? You know how many elections I've voted in since 1981? All of them. I brought my wife in after a few years of her observations of Obama. She loved Trump. She is a solid Republican but after seeing Fetterman elected, why bother is her thinking.
So two things, why didn't they fight harder for that seat? They don't care, why didn't they fight as hard for a doctor and businessman as the other side fought for a brain damaged lazy ass trust fund kid?
 
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Yep, wear down the opponent until they quit. Play the long game. Step by step. Patience..
Fetterman was elected, look at Arizona, look at Nevada. those two are still counting votes. Look at Pa. Tell me how the leadership of the republican party will fix that or explain why they didn't?
 

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So? I can wipe out 100 Republican votes in 5 minutes with mail in ballots. I can fill out 1000 in an hour or two. Now imagine 1000 people like me canvassing inner city areas? The republicans don't have those numbers.
And for what's it's worth I can accomplish nothing by doing nothing so give me a better reason. If you lost me, imagine who else you have lost? You know how many elections I've voted in since 1981? All of them. I brought my wife in after a few years of her observations of Obama. She loved Trump. She is a solid Republican but after seeing Fetterman elected, why bother is her thinking.
So two things, why didn't they fight harder for that seat? They don't care, why didn't they fight as hard for a doctor and businessman as the other side fought for a brain damaged lazy ass trust fund kid?
Maybe he didn’t get the support he needed because the powers that be listened to people that whined that Oz was a carpet bagger from NJ. Or that he wasn’t conservative enough. Or that he was a friend of Oprah and couldn’t be trusted. All of these complaints came from within the R party. They wanted purism more than they wanted victory.....and they got neither.

And many of those same complaints were leveled at Trump. He wasn’t a true con. He was from NYC. He was a dem most of his life. He was friends with lots of NYC and Hollywood liberals. The party didn’t support him until they had to.

Cons need to learn to take victories when and where they can and stop insisting on purism.
 
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Maybe he didn’t get the support he needed because the powers that be listened to people that whined that Oz was a carpet bagger from NJ. Or that he wasn’t conservative enough. Or that he was a friend of Oprah and couldn’t be trusted. All of these complaints came from within the R party. They wanted purism more than they wanted victory.....and they got neither.

And many of those same complaints were leveled at Trump. He wasn’t a true con. He was from NYC. He was a dem most of his life. He was friends with lots of NYC and Hollywood liberals. The party didn’t support him until the had to.

Cons need to learn to take victories when and where they can and stop insisting on purism.
If I see that I jump back in. They should just get balls and go full F you back, but they're spineless. We can't all move to Florida, but with what I've seen I will give it ten years until it's full on woke retarded after Desantis is gone.
Republicans need more hard working prick sharks, less policy wonk guys. I know Advil makes my pain go away if I strain something, I know not to take too many. I don't need to argue the science.
 
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Maybe he didn’t get the support he needed because the powers that be listened to people that whined that Oz was a carpet bagger from NJ. Or that he wasn’t conservative enough. Or that he was a friend of Oprah and couldn’t be trusted. All of these complaints came from within the R party. They wanted purism more than they wanted victory.....and they got neither.

And many of those same complaints were leveled at Trump. He wasn’t a true con. He was from NYC. He was a dem most of his life. He was friends with lots of NYC and Hollywood liberals. The party didn’t support him until the had to.

Cons need to learn to take victories when and where they can and stop insisting on purism.
Most pundits are like sportswriters, they suck at the actual game. They just like telling you how smart they are about it.
 
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LMAOROFL I read online that now Trump blames his wife because she wanted Oz. His big mouth is one valid reason why independent women will never vote for him and he is unelectable again. His attack on DeSantis yesterday was moronic. He is now acting like a child not a leader.

He is now acting like a child not a leader.

He is "now" acting like a child? Ahhh, his act hasn't changed from day one.
 

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So? I can wipe out 100 Republican votes in 5 minutes with mail in ballots. I can fill out 1000 in an hour or two. Now imagine 1000 people like me canvassing inner city areas? The republicans don't have those numbers.
And for what's it's worth I can accomplish nothing by doing nothing so give me a better reason. If you lost me, imagine who else you have lost? You know how many elections I've voted in since 1981? All of them. I brought my wife in after a few years of her observations of Obama. She loved Trump. She is a solid Republican but after seeing Fetterman elected, why bother is her thinking.
So two things, why didn't they fight harder for that seat? They don't care, why didn't they fight as hard for a doctor and businessman as the other side fought for a brain damaged lazy ass trust fund kid?

So? I can wipe out 100 Republican votes in 5 minutes with mail in ballots. I can fill out 1000 in an hour or two.

Why don't you give that a try? It's not like you would be committing a felony or anything.
 

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Mastriano was toxic not only because of his stand on abortion but his terrible campaign. He was unknown state wide and had far less cash than his opponent. So what did he do to overcome that? Why he refused to do any interviews or even talk to the press. He even refused to let them into most of his functions.

I certainly understand his distrust of the media. They are mostly progressive snakes with their own agendas. But he needed to get his face and name out there and he didn’t have other means to do so. He should have done selective interviews and had his own people video them to keep them honest. Totally hiding from them was a terrible look for a guy trying to establish an image.
How in the world did this nutjob win the primary? I voted for Barletta and assumed he would easily win the nomination. I never gave Mastriano a thought.
 
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LMAOROFL I read online that now Trump blames his wife because she wanted Oz. His big mouth is one valid reason why independent women will never vote for him and he is unelectable again. His attack on DeSantis yesterday was moronic. He is now acting like a child not a leader.
Now? He’s always acted like a child or worse. We tried to tell you for years!
 
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How in the world did this nutjob win the primary? I voted for Barletta and assumed he would easily win the nomination. I never gave Mastriano a thought.

Trump backed him in the primary because he was a big time election denier.

Doug Mastriano, a retired army colonel who has enthusiastically indulged Donald Trump’s fantasy that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, is the Republican candidate. If he wins, he plans to deregister every single one of Pennsylvania’s 8.7 million voters. In future elections, Mastriano would choose who certifies – or doesn’t – the state’s election results.​
And as a key schemer in Trump’s bid to overturn the presidential election, Mastriano spent thousands of dollars chartering buses to Washington DC on January 6, where images showed him close to the violence as Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol.​
None of this stopped Mastriano, who was endorsed by Trump, from winning the Republican nomination for governor in May.​
He won by appealing to the kind of far-right Trump Republicans who have come to define the modern Republican party – voters who believe children are being exposed to pornography in schools, that trans people have too many rights, that being asked to wear a face mask is at odds with the US constitution, and that the election was stolen.​
 

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I am seriously close to done with the Republican Party because they are useless . Good luck electing Desantis, he won't win Pa. The solid Trump guys I know see the election bs in Pa. and other states, if Trump is forced out they will stay home .
Again explain to my wife why it matters ? Explain to a life long Republican like me why it does. I'm staying home or voting libertarian if nothing changes .
The Republican Party is trash , they're more useless than the democrats . They lack balls, they won't fight for their principles, the compromise.
So why should I care? I have a right to be counted and I don't see it now. If Trump can't win, Desantis can't.
Wow you are having a full blown temper tantrum over this election.

My advice would be to scale back the political news you consume. It’s not healthy for you.
 

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Trump backed him in the primary because he was a big time election denier.

Doug Mastriano, a retired army colonel who has enthusiastically indulged Donald Trump’s fantasy that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, is the Republican candidate. If he wins, he plans to deregister every single one of Pennsylvania’s 8.7 million voters. In future elections, Mastriano would choose who certifies – or doesn’t – the state’s election results.​
And as a key schemer in Trump’s bid to overturn the presidential election, Mastriano spent thousands of dollars chartering buses to Washington DC on January 6, where images showed him close to the violence as Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol.​
None of this stopped Mastriano, who was endorsed by Trump, from winning the Republican nomination for governor in May.​
He won by appealing to the kind of far-right Trump Republicans who have come to define the modern Republican party – voters who believe children are being exposed to pornography in schools, that trans people have too many rights, that being asked to wear a face mask is at odds with the US constitution, and that the election was stolen.​
You left out a little detail. A lot of evil 🤡 party donors donated to his primary campaign because they knew he would be easier to beat in the fall. Reports are that they spent $60 million across the country on Republican primaries getting the people they wanted on the fall ballots.
 

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Trump backed him in the primary because he was a big time election denier.

Doug Mastriano, a retired army colonel who has enthusiastically indulged Donald Trump’s fantasy that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, is the Republican candidate. If he wins, he plans to deregister every single one of Pennsylvania’s 8.7 million voters. In future elections, Mastriano would choose who certifies – or doesn’t – the state’s election results.​
And as a key schemer in Trump’s bid to overturn the presidential election, Mastriano spent thousands of dollars chartering buses to Washington DC on January 6, where images showed him close to the violence as Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol.​
None of this stopped Mastriano, who was endorsed by Trump, from winning the Republican nomination for governor in May.​
He won by appealing to the kind of far-right Trump Republicans who have come to define the modern Republican party – voters who believe children are being exposed to pornography in schools, that trans people have too many rights, that being asked to wear a face mask is at odds with the US constitution, and that the election was stolen.​
Wait. Are you saying that children are not being exposed to porn in schools? There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. If you disagree then you have a bizarre view of what porn is.
 
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You left out a little detail. A lot of evil 🤡 party donors donated to his primary campaign because they knew he would be easier to beat in the fall. Reports are that they spent $60 million across the country on Republican primaries getting the people they wanted on the fall ballots.

A couple of points.

If Trump doesn't back the guy then he doesn't win the primary no matter how much money the guy raises.

What is it about the gop the attracts these nut case candidates? Why do they get put into a no win position with really bad candidates?
 

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A couple of points.

If Trump doesn't back the guy then he doesn't win the primary no matter how much money the guy raises.

What is it about the gop the attracts these nut case candidates? Why do they get put into a no win position with really bad candidates?
A lot of your party voted fr him in the primaries. Would like to see study of just how many.

And your party has more than its fair share of nutjobs. The difference is that many of your nutjobs are in key positions .
 
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All this whining about Oz losing because of Mastriano? Oz did a beautiful job of sabotaging his own campaign. His elitism was off-putting to normal Pennsylvanians. He rarely campaigned. He ate crudité and let people know it. At least we all learned a new way to talk about a veggie tray. Don't blame it all on Dougie. Yes, Dougie was a self-acknowledged christian fascist. To read The Spin Meister's posts and see the bottom statement that Orwell's 1984 is some kind of left wing instruction book misrepresents the situation perfectly.

Mastriano desires a government somewhere between 1984 and The Handmaid's Tale. He wants subservient baby-making women and he wants to pre-determine the outcome of every election before it is held.

To those of you who throw the term "fascist" around without a clue to its meaning: fascism is a marriage of authoritarian government and industry. Ask your buddy Mussolini - who probably would have strongly supported Mastriano.

You culture warriors are crying about kitty litter and child porn while industry is destroying the planet with impunity. At least the young people in America see that. You old farts hang onto every crazy conspiracy theory while ignoring what's important for the world's future.

Thank God for John Fetterman. He doesn't eat crudité, he cares about our kids' future, he supports health care for everyone, and he supports unions. For non-history majors, unions created America's Middle Class. And industry has been successfully fighting to break unions ever since, and along with unions, the Middle Class.

All of this means nothing in the face of climate change. In the '80s, America had a Billion Dollar weather event about 4x per year. I read recently that we now have them once every six weeks. And yet both republicans and dems knuckle under to fossil fuel demands for more pipelines, more drilling, more fracking - even though fracking threatens PA's water supply.

As to your whining about ballot harvesting?
“There’s no evidence a massive ballot harvesting scheme dumped a large amount of votes for one candidate into drop boxes, and if there were, it would likely be caught quickly" according to Derek Muller, University of Iowa law professor

It's just another excuse for losing. You LOST! Face it and shut the hell up.
 

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All this whining about Oz losing because of Mastriano? Oz did a beautiful job of sabotaging his own campaign. His elitism was off-putting to normal Pennsylvanians. He rarely campaigned. He ate crudité and let people know it. At least we all learned a new way to talk about a veggie tray. Don't blame it all on Dougie. Yes, Dougie was a self-acknowledged christian fascist. To read The Spin Meister's posts and see the bottom statement that Orwell's 1984 is some kind of left wing instruction book misrepresents the situation perfectly.

Mastriano desires a government somewhere between 1984 and The Handmaid's Tale. He wants subservient baby-making women and he wants to pre-determine the outcome of every election before it is held.

To those of you who throw the term "fascist" around without a clue to its meaning: fascism is a marriage of authoritarian government and industry. Ask your buddy Mussolini - who probably would have strongly supported Mastriano.

You culture warriors are crying about kitty litter and child porn while industry is destroying the planet with impunity. At least the young people in America see that. You old farts hang onto every crazy conspiracy theory while ignoring what's important for the world's future.

Thank God for John Fetterman. He doesn't eat crudité, he cares about our kids' future, he supports health care for everyone, and he supports unions. For non-history majors, unions created America's Middle Class. And industry has been successfully fighting to break unions ever since, and along with unions, the Middle Class.

All of this means nothing in the face of climate change. In the '80s, America had a Billion Dollar weather event about 4x per year. I read recently that we now have them once every six weeks. And yet both republicans and dems knuckle under to fossil fuel demands for more pipelines, more drilling, more fracking - even though fracking threatens PA's water supply.

As to your whining about ballot harvesting?
“There’s no evidence a massive ballot harvesting scheme dumped a large amount of votes for one candidate into drop boxes, and if there were, it would likely be caught quickly" according to Derek Muller, University of Iowa law professor

It's just another excuse for losing. You LOST! Face it and shut the hell up.
Excellent. You should post more often.
 
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All this whining about Oz losing because of Mastriano? Oz did a beautiful job of sabotaging his own campaign. His elitism was off-putting to normal Pennsylvanians. He rarely campaigned. He ate crudité and let people know it. At least we all learned a new way to talk about a veggie tray. Don't blame it all on Dougie. Yes, Dougie was a self-acknowledged christian fascist. To read The Spin Meister's posts and see the bottom statement that Orwell's 1984 is some kind of left wing instruction book misrepresents the situation perfectly.

Mastriano desires a government somewhere between 1984 and The Handmaid's Tale. He wants subservient baby-making women and he wants to pre-determine the outcome of every election before it is held.

To those of you who throw the term "fascist" around without a clue to its meaning: fascism is a marriage of authoritarian government and industry. Ask your buddy Mussolini - who probably would have strongly supported Mastriano.

You culture warriors are crying about kitty litter and child porn while industry is destroying the planet with impunity. At least the young people in America see that. You old farts hang onto every crazy conspiracy theory while ignoring what's important for the world's future.

Thank God for John Fetterman. He doesn't eat crudité, he cares about our kids' future, he supports health care for everyone, and he supports unions. For non-history majors, unions created America's Middle Class. And industry has been successfully fighting to break unions ever since, and along with unions, the Middle Class.

All of this means nothing in the face of climate change. In the '80s, America had a Billion Dollar weather event about 4x per year. I read recently that we now have them once every six weeks. And yet both republicans and dems knuckle under to fossil fuel demands for more pipelines, more drilling, more fracking - even though fracking threatens PA's water supply.

As to your whining about ballot harvesting?
“There’s no evidence a massive ballot harvesting scheme dumped a large amount of votes for one candidate into drop boxes, and if there were, it would likely be caught quickly" according to Derek Muller, University of Iowa law professor

It's just another excuse for losing. You LOST! Face it and shut the hell up.
Lol 😆 thank God for Fetterman. That was funny.
 

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All this whining about Oz losing because of Mastriano? Oz did a beautiful job of sabotaging his own campaign. His elitism was off-putting to normal Pennsylvanians. He rarely campaigned. He ate crudité and let people know it. At least we all learned a new way to talk about a veggie tray. Don't blame it all on Dougie. Yes, Dougie was a self-acknowledged christian fascist. To read The Spin Meister's posts and see the bottom statement that Orwell's 1984 is some kind of left wing instruction book misrepresents the situation perfectly.

Mastriano desires a government somewhere between 1984 and The Handmaid's Tale. He wants subservient baby-making women and he wants to pre-determine the outcome of every election before it is held.

To those of you who throw the term "fascist" around without a clue to its meaning: fascism is a marriage of authoritarian government and industry. Ask your buddy Mussolini - who probably would have strongly supported Mastriano.

You culture warriors are crying about kitty litter and child porn while industry is destroying the planet with impunity. At least the young people in America see that. You old farts hang onto every crazy conspiracy theory while ignoring what's important for the world's future.

Thank God for John Fetterman. He doesn't eat crudité, he cares about our kids' future, he supports health care for everyone, and he supports unions. For non-history majors, unions created America's Middle Class. And industry has been successfully fighting to break unions ever since, and along with unions, the Middle Class.

All of this means nothing in the face of climate change. In the '80s, America had a Billion Dollar weather event about 4x per year. I read recently that we now have them once every six weeks. And yet both republicans and dems knuckle under to fossil fuel demands for more pipelines, more drilling, more fracking - even though fracking threatens PA's water supply.

As to your whining about ballot harvesting?
“There’s no evidence a massive ballot harvesting scheme dumped a large amount of votes for one candidate into drop boxes, and if there were, it would likely be caught quickly" according to Derek Muller, University of Iowa law professor

It's just another excuse for losing. You LOST! Face it and shut the hell up.
Wow, to say Oz rarely campaigned is just crazy talk. He visited every single county, went to most county fairs, did something like 250 events. Vs Fetterman who hid for three months while claiming he was fine, then did les than fifty events, talked for an average of about ten ministers, had to use close captioning for the very few interviews he did.

And you are a union acolyte. Unions were great..... a hundred years ago. Then they went full out greedy and drove all those middle class jobs out of the country.

Facsim= marriage of government and industry = evil 🤡 party and tech company censorship and thought control.


Quoting a university law professor.....might as well be channeling Marx or Alinski.

And as for “shut the hell up” Nice you don’t care about democracy, you fascist.
 
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Wow, to say Oz rarely campaigned is just crazy talk. He visited every single county, went to most county fair, did something like 250 events. Vs Fetterman who bid for three months while claiming he was fine, then did les than fifty events, talked for an average of about ten ministers, had to use close captioning for the very few interviews he did.

And you are a union acolyte. Unions were great..... hundred years ago. Then they went full out greedy and drove all those middle class jobs out of the country.

Facsim= marriage of government and industry = evil 🤡 party and tech company censorship and thought control.


Quoting a university law professor.....might as well be channeling Marx or Alinski.

And as for “shut the hell up” Nice you don’t care about democracy, you fascist.

Wow, to say Oz rarely campaigned is just crazy talk. He visited every single county, went to most county fair, did something like 250 events. Vs Fetterman who bid for three months while claiming he was fine, then did les than fifty events, talked for an average of about ten ministers, had to use close captioning for the very few interviews he did.

lol, Fetterman was running for office long before Doc Hollywood even thought about it while living in his New Jersey mansion.

In fact, this was U.S. Senate candidate John Fetterman’s campaign itinerary on Saturday, May 7, just ten days before the Pennsylvania primary. This 245-mile, five-town circuit was part of his commitment to visit each of the state’s 67 counties, a very literal execution of his “every county, every vote” slogan.​
In doing so, Fetterman deposed opponents associated with the state’s urban centers, State Senator Malcolm Kenyatta, of Philadelphia and U.S. Congressman Conor Lamb of Pittsburgh. Not a bad showing for a boy from York who served for 13 years as mayor of Braddock, population 1,761 (albeit part of the Pittsburgh metro area), before he was elected Lt. Governor in 2018.​
It’s surely significant, too, that Fetterman’s 67-county primary campaign tour was not his first visit to the state’s rural reaches. In fact, his inaugural circuit was in 2019 when, as newly minted Lt. Governor, he visited every county to conduct town hall meetings on the issue of cannabis legalization. As Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Will Bunch expressed it, when Fetterman returned to ask for their votes, he was “shrouded in the purple haze of a political rock star.”​
 

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It's telling that Spin Meister made the revealing statement that:
Quoting a university law professor.....might as well be channeling Marx or Alinski.
So if a law professor from Penn State made a statement about anything based upon his research, he must be a communist and his statement is a lie? That's a very logical and convincing argument Spin. Thanks for clearing that up.

And falling back on the old 'Alinski' trope reveals your nuttiness. Only weird culture warriors resort to pulling out Alinski. Most people never heard of him until right wing media started shouting his name and trying to make him the boogey man. Hint: It didn't work. The only people who are moved by your referring to "Alinski" are other right-wingnuts who use Alinski to scare their children with bedtime stories. Everyone else looks puzzled and asks, "What the hell is he talking about?"

btw, I looked him up, because I never heard of him except from fascist nutjobs. FYI, he was just a community organizer and he trained Caesar Chavez and wrote a few books. Not much of a resume, is it? Nazi's like Spin Meister have chosen this rather innocuous guy to be a focal point of all that is evil in the American left.

It's all part of the MAGA circle jerk. As shown last Tuesday, MAGA people may go down fighting but down they will go. And if they as stubborn as they appear to be, they will bring the republican party down with them.

Democracy won on Tuesday. It won because of women and everyone under 40. Anti-American MAGA lost. I obviously care far more about American democracy than you do, meister. Your candidates want to eliminate voting and promise that no Democrats will ever be elected again. My candidates advocate majority rule and the rule of law. Which of us supports democracy?

And please, meister. Learn the definition of fascism. You MAGA nuts throw the term around as if you know what you are talking about. But to you, it's just a bad word with no real meaning. Ask a law professor.
 
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meister made an anti-union throw away statement, as if it's not even worth discussing. It is worth discussing. I've been doing IT consulting for a union electrical shop for over 30 years. They have between 50-80 workers, based on conditions and time of year. Their guys earn $50 to $75/hour straight time, along with a hefty benefit package that effectively doubles their earnings. The company is very profitable. Their work is always excellent and their owners have a great thing going.

That is the definition of how to make a middle class: a great company which takes care of its employees and well serves the interests of its owners. That's how it should be in America but rarely is.
 
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meister made an anti-union throw away statement, as if it's not even worth discussing. It is worth discussing. I've been doing IT consulting for a union electrical shop for over 30 years. They have between 50-80 workers, based on conditions and time of year. Their guys earn $50 to $75/hour straight time, along with a hefty benefit package that effectively doubles their earnings. The company is very profitable. Their work is always excellent and their owners have a great thing going.

That is the definition of how to make a middle class: a great company which takes care of its employees and well serves the interests of its owners. That's how it should be in America but rarely is.
Thank God for Fetterman
 

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It's telling that Spin Meister made the revealing statement that:
Quoting a university law professor.....might as well be channeling Marx or Alinski.
So if a law professor from Penn State made a statement about anything based upon his research, he must be a communist and his statement is a lie? That's a very logical and convincing argument Spin. Thanks for clearing that up.

And falling back on the old 'Alinski' trope reveals your nuttiness. Only weird culture warriors resort to pulling out Alinski. Most people never heard of him until right wing media started shouting his name and trying to make him the boogey man. Hint: It didn't work. The only people who are moved by your referring to "Alinski" are other right-wingnuts who use Alinski to scare their children with bedtime stories. Everyone else looks puzzled and asks, "What the hell is he talking about?"

btw, I looked him up, because I never heard of him except from fascist nutjobs. FYI, he was just a community organizer and he trained Caesar Chavez and wrote a few books. Not much of a resume, is it? Nazi's like Spin Meister have chosen this rather innocuous guy to be a focal point of all that is evil in the American left.

It's all part of the MAGA circle jerk. As shown last Tuesday, MAGA people may go down fighting but down they will go. And if they as stubborn as they appear to be, they will bring the republican party down with them.

Democracy won on Tuesday. It won because of women and everyone under 40. Anti-American MAGA lost. I obviously care far more about American democracy than you do, meister. Your candidates want to eliminate voting and promise that no Democrats will ever be elected again. My candidates advocate majority rule and the rule of law. Which of us supports democracy?

And please, meister. Learn the definition of fascism. You MAGA nuts throw the term around as if you know what you are talking about. But to you, it's just a bad word with no real meaning. Ask a law professor.
Yes any law professor from Penn State is likely a hardcore lib. And that guy is from Iowa. Did he go to Atlanta and investigate? Or Philadelphia? Or Detroit.? Madison?

And stop with childish, knee jerk Nazi bullshit. That is the fastest way to get on ignore. If thats all ya got, ya got nuttin.

You care about democracy? You are an amazingly stupid fool. MAGA took on China when both parties have been selling us out for decades. Stood up to NATO for ripping us off. Got us off foreign oil. Rebuilt a depleted military. Made us an economic power again.

Fascism= industry and government controlling the people= Facebook, Google, YouTube, Twitter working with your party to control and censor political debate. Along with Hollywood, academia, the legal industry and more.
 
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meister made an anti-union throw away statement, as if it's not even worth discussing. It is worth discussing. I've been doing IT consulting for a union electrical shop for over 30 years. They have between 50-80 workers, based on conditions and time of year. Their guys earn $50 to $75/hour straight time, along with a hefty benefit package that effectively doubles their earnings. The company is very profitable. Their work is always excellent and their owners have a great thing going.

That is the definition of how to make a middle class: a great company which takes care of its employees and well serves the interests of its owners. That's how it should be in America but rarely is.
And I can show you companies that went bankrupt because of unions. Insane work rules....like a light over a work station went out so the worker sat there for three hours until a union electrician came to change the bulb. Or on a construction job you must have at least one full paid journeyman carpenter for every apprentice no matter how menial or low skilled the job is. Or how they control work hours......get rained out three days can’t work Saturday to get back on schedule unless paying time an half. Or the crew wants to work four ten hour days so they get three day weekends and less unpaid travel time burning gas money.....can’t do it unless they get over time. One guy got fired for being drunk on a highly critical, very dangerous job.....but the union got his job back because the company didn’t use standard protocol which pissed off every coworker he put in danger.
 

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Republicans had nothing to say to 18 to 35 year olds and lost about 65% of the votes. That is a priority in the next election if they hope to win. Another alternative is to excite their base a lot more. The youngsters voted in a much higher percentage than their parents and grandparents.
What exactly is the message that they need to send to "pay off my student loans", "healthcare should be free", 18–35-year-olds to swing their votes? The good of the country? Personal responsibility? We can give you free sh!t too?

I am all ears.
 
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What exactly is the message that they need to send to "pay off my student loans", "healthcare should be free", 18–35-year-olds to swing their votes? The good of the country? Personal responsibility? We can give you free sh!t too?

I am all ears.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like affordable gasoline, oil, nat gas, electricity.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like bringing tens of thousands of jobs back to the US instead of China.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like affordable food and automobiles.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like making NATO members pay their fair share instead of draining our treasury.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like stoppimg terrorists like ISIS, Iran, and others to make the country safe.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like securing the border to to stop the massive murder of 100,000 18-35 yr olds every year.
 
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There were something like 650 k or more votes mailed in prior to the debate on 10/25. The margin of error for Oz was -216 k in the final tally. Most early votes were heavy for Biden I'm thinking it was possible debates prior to sending in the ballots might have swayed a certain amount of voters.
 

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There were something like 650 k or more votes mailed in prior to the debate on 10/25. The margin of error for Oz was -216 k in the final tally. Most early votes were heavy for Biden I'm thinking it was possible debates prior to sending in the ballots might have swayed a certain amount of voters.
True, which is why Team Fetterman delayed as long as they could.
 
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What exactly is the message that they need to send to "pay off my student loans", "healthcare should be free", 18–35-year-olds to swing their votes? The good of the country? Personal responsibility? We can give you free sh!t too?

I am all ears.
It begins on campuses educating kids of the results of liberal governance. They are kept from any significant facts and make decisions based on propaganda.
 
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Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like affordable gasoline, oil, nat gas, electricity.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like bringing tens of thousands of jobs back to the US instead of China.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like affordable food and automobiles.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like making NATO members pay their fair share instead of draining our treasury.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like stoppimg terrorists like ISIS, Iran, and others to make the country safe.
Nothing for 18-35 yr olds.......like securing the border to to stop the massive murder of 100,000 18-35 yr olds every year.
That is great. We had all those things going for us now. But those are delayed gratification or mostly indirect benefits to the voter. Direct promises like "I am going to eliminate your school loans" or "your healthcare should be free" mean much more to the young, instant gratification voters. A realistic message is difficult to sell against the unicorns and fairy dust messages the Dems peddle to the naive voters that lack depth that make up the 18-29 crowd. They don't buy "good for the country", or "your boat will rise when our policies make all boats rise" messages, especially this generation of coddled, emotional, useful idiots. That age group always votes liberal. Always has, always will.

Credit to @Aardvark86 :
 
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MAGA write off a national health care system as if it's a fairytale. It's a fairytale told by almost every major industrial nation except the USA.
I saw a chart which said that there are 530,000 medical bankruptcies in America every year. Medical indebtedness is the #1 cause of bankruptcies in the United States.
More than half of Americans think being treated for a medical condition can be worse than the medical condition because of the cost. 45% of Americans think a major health issue would bankrupt them.

You think our youth are selfish and foolish to want universal health care? Then it's you that is selfish and foolish. It's "SOCIALISM"!!! ---- the boogeyman of the rightwing, right up there with Alinski.

Look at it economically, MAGA moneygrubbers. A single-payer system would save massive amounts of cash. Insurance companies wouldn't be a major component of every aspect of the health system.

Lots of countries that no one but an ideologue would call "socialist" have forms of universal healthcare and no one cries about the destruction of society.

Get a life.