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Match Notes for NW and Indiana
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So are we finally gonna get to see our boys this weekend?
Is Howard ready?
Verk, Bartlett or Barraclough at 49?
What day you?
WE ARE!!!
Is Howard ready?
Verk, Bartlett or Barraclough at 49?
What day you?
WE ARE!!!
i hope we can see the extra matches--but that is doubtful.
Im guessing the starters wrestle the extra matches to assure they get 4 matches in to qualify.
Im guessing the starters wrestle the extra matches to assure they get 4 matches in to qualify.
I thought Rokfin might step up and show the extras, but who knows, PSU/B10 might not allow it.
BTN+ has shown extras this year if they do them before the dual.With this being a Tri the extras would be going on at the same time so hopefully BTN+ does 2 mats
I have often thought that the PSU visual arts department could cover all matches that were not on TV---all school could probably do this. maybe more to it then this, probably some sort of broadcasting rights or something.
how expensive can it be for a couple of cameras and travel expense for a student or to for away matches.
make an extra revenue stream for the school/team. say $30 for the season to watch all PSU matches on line..
Kerk is in the room wrestling right now 😉
I think the matches on BTN+ are really going to be up to each individual host school. If Northwestern wants to set up two streams than we will see them all. I would guess it will be a week-by-week thing depending on where the matches are hosted.
Think of the extra matches like JV in high school. The coaches will pair up additional matches to be wrestled before the starters wrestle. With the season not counting towards eligibility, might as well "qualify" additional wrestlers in case Covid or injury occur. The starters will wrestle just one match against each team.
In other duals this season, some starters have wrestled extra matches as well. It would not surprise me to see PSU do this to get additional matches 1they may not be able to make up and to help insulate against future postponements/cancellations. Most duals I've seen have had the extra matches after the main dual as well.
There is also some scuttlebutt that the NCAA may allow schools to qualify more than one wrestler in a weight class for the NCAAs to fill brackets. No idea if there is any truth to that, but I know someone inside a B1G program that believes it to be true.
Not sure how the tri-meets will work.
For example, here are the results for Nebraska's dual against Northwestern...
| Weight | Summary | NEB | NW | |
| 125 | Liam Cronin (Nebraska) over Matt Vinci (Northwestern) (MD 15-5) | 4 | 0 | |
| 133 | Chris Cannon (Northwestern) over Edwin Thomsen (Nebraska) (MD 14-1) | 0 | 4 | |
| 141 | Chad Red (Nebraska) over Colin Valdiviez (Northwestern) (Dec 6-4) | 3 | 0 | |
| 149 | Yahya Thomas (Northwestern) over Brock Hardy (Nebraska) (Dec 4-1) | 0 | 3 | |
| 157 | Maxx Mayfield (Northwestern) over Caleb Licking (Nebraska) (SV-1 6-4) | 0 | 3 | |
| 165 | Peyton Robb (Nebraska) over David Ferrante (Northwestern) (Dec 8-5) | 3 | 0 | |
| 174 | Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) over Troy Fisher (Northwestern) (MD 19-7) | 4 | 0 | |
| 184 | Taylor Venz (Nebraska) over Jon Halvorsen (Northwestern) (TF 16-0 4:57) | 5 | 0 | |
| 197 | Eric Schultz (Nebraska) over Lucas Davison (Northwestern) (Dec 3-2) | 3 | 0 | |
| 285 | Christian Lance (Nebraska) over Jack Heyob (Northwestern) (MD 12-4) | 4 | 0 | |
| 141 | Extra: Ridge Lovett (Nebraska) over Justin Benjamin (Northwestern) (MD 10-2) | 0 | 0 | |
| 141 | Extra: Chad Red (Nebraska) over Frankie Tal Shahar (Northwestern) (Dec 3-2) | 0 | 0 | |
| 149 | Extra: Jordan Kelber (Nebraska) over Jamie Berg (Northwestern) (Fall 5:58) | 0 | 0 | |
| 149 | Extra: Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern) over Jevon Parrish (Nebraska) (Dec 6-2) | 0 | 0 | |
| 165 | Extra: Peyton Robb (Nebraska) over Ankhaa Enkhmandakh (Northwestern) (MD 17-5) | 0 | 0 | |
| 184 | Extra: Brandyn Van Tassel (Nebraska) over Jadon Martin (Northwestern) (Dec 14-7) | 0 | 0 | |
| 184 | Extra: Taylor Venz (Nebraska) over Jack Jessen (Northwestern) (Fall 1:57) | 0 | 0 | |
| 285 | Extra: Cale Davidson (Nebraska) over Brendan Devine (Northwestern) (Fall 2:29) | 0 | 0 | |
| Team Score: | 26 | 10 |
I am not inside a Big 10 program but that would be shocking to me especially since the coaches had drawn up plans for a 16, 24, and 33 man brackets back in November. For them to have trouble filling the brackets that means a lot of teams would have stopped the season short due to COVID concerns. If that is the case, I don't believe they are going to want to increase the size of the conference tournaments.
If that were the case though, it would be interesting to see Penn State try to split into an A, B, C, and D team capable of winning all four trophies ...
Haven't watched it yet but here is the link to the Sanderson and Verkleeren zoom call. Interesting to have Verkleeren on if he wouldn't be the starter before the first dual but maybe they just want to honor an upper class good kid.
Edit: Quote of the press conference to me when Sanderson was asked if they had any concerns flying commercially: "I think we just got to be careful. Take your hand sanitizer and just, you know, not lick any doorknobs type of a thing."
Edit: Quote of the press conference to me when Sanderson was asked if they had any concerns flying commercially: "I think we just got to be careful. Take your hand sanitizer and just, you know, not lick any doorknobs type of a thing."
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Maybe we aren't on the same page or I am not understanding your reply. What I meant to say is that there is a possibility that a team could have more than one wrestler at a weight at the NCAA. Not talking Big Ten Tourney. So in theory, say PSU could have both Nick Lee and Beau Bartlett in the NCAA's if both had the requisite matches. I'd assume the non-starter would qualify as an at large type?
Or maybe, if the # of teams competing allowed for enough wrestlers for more than 24 man brackets, but not the full 33, this could be how they would get to 33?
I'm not saying I believe this to be true. I have my doubts, actually. Just passing along what I am hearing.
I understand the thought of two guys per weight from a school but there has to be some kind of qualification for these kids to NCAAs which happens at the conference tournament. Unless they just at-large pick backups off of rankings from extra matches against other backups. That would be a mess to rank.
I wonder why no one at the presser asked Cael who will be unavailable on Saturday? Maybe they just thought he wouldn't give them a definitive answer?
I also wonder if Jared being selected as the wrestler representative says anything about the 149 situation?
From something he said last week, I have a feeling reporters are told that Cael will not discuss individual wrestlers at all this year during these. He has yet to go through the contenders for the lineup, that much is certain.
PS, our “B team” is quite good—optimistically 4 or 5 NQs, 1 or 2 AAs. But that’s a far cry from a trophy.
PS, our “B team” is quite good—optimistically 4 or 5 NQs, 1 or 2 AAs. But that’s a far cry from a trophy.
I highly doubt there is a starter decided at 149 yet.
People just assume that there will be an upgrade at 149 because Jarod is only a - well probably anywhere from 5 to 20 type of guy based on what he has done so far in his career. But assuming Bartlett is going to be better at 149, well, that is a large assumption. He's looked great in a couple of freestyle matches so far, but that's freestyle. Not NCAA wrestling.
A little over a year ago, Beau was losing to Logan Brown and Ryan Pomrinca at 141. I'm sure he has improved quite a bit in the room, but expecting all the improvement to have already come at this point - again, we're just assuming. And up a weight class - that's pretty significant as well.
I would hope that it's a difficult decision come B1G time. But who knows?
Agree with you 100%. All these people who keep suggesting that Cael subjectively just names a starter (at any weight, not just 49) don't understand how a wrestling room works (and it is therefore reasonable to assume that they have never wrestled at any level). Anybody who has wrestled on an organized level understands that a wrestler earns his starting position via "wrestle offs", not just prior to the first match, but throughout the season. However, a #1 can get hurt, sick or otherwise not be 100%, so a #2 would go in this case, etc...
The notion that Cael simply "names starters" is absurd and not the way wrestling rooms function, let alone elite wrestling rooms like Cael's.
C3 is getting paid to win championships. They will (and have) put whoever the hell they want on the mat, regardless of ”wrestle offs”,choose whoever they want to do interviews with them, take whoever they want to take to away duals and so on and so forth. If you build it,they will come.
Again, Cael can rest #1s, etc... You can also have situations where multiple wrestlers have held the #1 position in the room throughout the year such that there is no consensus clear #1 late in the year... But again, it is absurd to postulate that wrestlers do not earn their #1 positions on the mat in Cael's room. Again, there can be more than 1 wrestler that has held the #1 position in the room at any weight (nothing I said suggests any differently), but it is absurd to suggest that starters don't objectively earn their role in the room and that Cael routinely subjectively names starters throughout the season - that isn't how it works (let alone in an elite setting like PSU's room) as anybody who's wrestled on a formal team knows.
For the most part you are correct--wrestle off winners are normally the starter, but not always. if the winner in the wrestling room is not producing in competition, or having weight issues or maybe off the mat issues Cael and staff can and will start the other athlete in order to put the best team on the mat. Some guys are simply better in the room then others and some are better under the lights then others.
the past 5 years or so we have seen this at125, 165, 184, and well as 197 all from PSU
yes, I wrestled ,and yes, I have coached. I have seen this happen even at the HS level. I have also had to make this call as a coach.
All fair enough. The question remains, however, who will EARN the starting 149 spot come postseason?
My money is on Beau Bartlett.
Again, don't disagree with anything you've written, but to claim starters are generally "named" by Cael rather than earning their #1 positions in the room is utter nonsense. Starters TYPICALLY earn their spot on the roster via the room - to say otherwise is absurd especially in an elite wrestling room like PSU's. Are their exceptions where Cael could sit a #1 for many reasons (only some of which you listed and didn't include fatigue, lack of motor, due to weight issues, illness, slight injury, etc...)? Yes, it can happen, but is not the NORMAL or TYPICAL way a wrestler earns a start - in fact, it is very atypical and not that common.
He may have earned the start this weekend - we won't know until this weekend which was the point of my original response (my original response is the one that NOTED that the poster had not even listed Bartlett as a candidate at 149 despite his listing as a potential starter on PSU's very own Pre-Match Summary! Bartlett is listed as a potential starter at both 141 and 149 for this weekend.).
Team leaves tomorrow...looks like we'll finally have some wrestling. Doubt anyone knows the starters at all 10 weight classes, so we'll surely see some surprises. Just hoping everyone is healthy come tournament time. This year's team has potential 
, just have to start moving up from that 4th ranking spot by the NWCA.
, just have to start moving up from that 4th ranking spot by the NWCA.
It seems like you’re getting super hung up on semantics at this point. Yes, starting position is earned. At some point, Cael will “name” that starter who has earned the position (or at least in theory would).
If it helps, in this scenario you can swap “named” for “announced.”
No, I'm not "hung up" on anything. There are multiple posters who've suggested that starters are typically ordained by Cael rather than being the wrestler who does best in the room at the weight-class -- especially as it applies to the season-opening starter. The only time this does not apply is when the staff has decided to preserve a Redshirt year. Given that this is a "free year of eligibility" for all wrestlers, the season-opening starter at 149, whoever it is, will almost certainly be the 149 lb'er that has performed best in the room.
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No one on this thread suggested anything close to “Cael ordains whoever he wants” prior to when you first chimed in suggesting that people were. And only after you mysteriously accused people of doing it (presumably on another thread other than this one), 2-3 posters chimed in that there are of course mitigating circumstances sometimes that may cause Cael to start someone other than the individual who had looked the best in the room. Which is not at all the same as what you mentioned.
If it’s happened on other threads, then sure. But no one here was doing it. You have greatly exaggerated any arguments or positions that have been put forth.
His father (at least a poster claiming to be his father and no reason to doubt he is) confirmed rumors he had surgery, is recovering and could possibly be back in time for the post season.
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Match notes ain't what used to be, and the guy running KYPSW didn't have time to read What match notes we have.
In actuality, I think it's the posters who "ordain" the starters. Unfortunately for them not every 5-star recruit pans out or comes in better than a 3 or 4-year guy, but fortunately, Cael exercises veto power over the board.
PSUPaul,
pa added Deakin and DeAugustino (125) to the list of possible NU opponents.
