McQueray Hearing Cancelled.

[Aoshiro]

Because there isn't a speck of evidence (Some 31/2 years later) that TSM broke any laws..

You can't find something if you make a conscious decision not to look for it.

There isn't a speck of evidence because "The Second Mile was never under investigation." That's straight from Tom Corbett spokesman Kevin Harley.

And three and half years later there is still no explanation about why a charity that was founded by a pedophile, and used by that pedophile to groom victims, "was never under investigation."

Maybe you can tell us why?

 

[CDW3333]

and how exactly do you come to that conclusion?

The statements are one of the three things. Completely irrelevant (highly unlikely) exculpatory (not possible or the judge would have ordered them produced and, frankly, the OAG would have produced them anyway) or inculpatory.

 

[CDW3333]

You can't find something if you make a conscious decision not to look for it.

There isn't a speck of evidence because "The Second Mile was never under investigation." That's straight from Tom Corbett spokesman Kevin Harley.

And three and half years later there is still no explanation about why a charity that was founded by a pedophile, and used by that pedophile to groom victims, "was never under investigation."

Maybe you can tell us why?

Don't you think somebody would've stepped up by now? A former 2nd Mile kid, a parent of a 2nd Mile kid, an employee of the 2nd Mile, an employee of CYS/DPW. Somebody. After 31/2 years.

Maybe there's nothing there. Maybe this really is a Penn State scandal.

 

[LundyPSU]

The statements are one of the three things. Completely irrelevant (highly unlikely) exculpatory (not possible or the judge would have ordered them produced and, frankly, the OAG would have produced them anyway) or inculpatory.

why did the judge dismiss their motion?

 

[CDW3333]

[QUOTE="WeR0206, post: 117183, member: 10331. 1. "Ummm...if the defendants thought that statements made by Harmon/Courtney to the OAG contained exculpatory evidence, then how do you come to the conclusion that Harmon/Courtney don't have favorable things to say?? Wouldn't it be the other way around? I'd say that the defendants think Harmon/Courtney's statements to the OAG show the current narrative is complete bullshit and the judge (who is a corrupt scumbag btw) wanted nothing to do with allowing the defendants access to the statements.

2. Btw, how is it even legal that the OAG has access to statements from Harmon/Courtney (that may or may not contain exculpatory evidence) that the defense team isn't privy to?? Aren't they supposed to share ALL info/evidence??[/QUOTE]

1. If it's exculpatory and withheld, then that's sure-fire reversible error and the prosecutors risk losing their law licenses. The defendants made the claim that it was exculpatory because they were fishing.

2. Hell, no. The prosecution doesn't have to give up its work product unless it's exculpatory. If the defense lawyers want to know what Courtney and Harmon have to say they can go talk to them. The judge may order the statements produced after trial starts.

 

[LundyPSU]

Don't you think somebody would've stepped up by now? A former 2nd Mile kid, a parent of a 2nd Mile kid, an employee of the 2nd Mile, an employee of CYS/DPW. Somebody. After 31/2 years.

Maybe there's nothing there. Maybe this really is a Penn State scandal.

Or maybe because there is no money there.

Actually, wasn't TSM sued by at least one of the accusers?

 

[WeR0206]

Don't you think somebody would've stepped up by now? A former 2nd Mile kid, a parent of a 2nd Mile kid, an employee of the 2nd Mile, an employee of CYS/DPW. Somebody. After 31/2 years.

Maybe there's nothing there. Maybe this really is a Penn State scandal.

Wow!!...you're still desperately clinging to that narrative huh??

For a lack of former TSM kids "stepping up" you can thank the corrupt PSU BOT for throwing millions of dollars to anyone with a remote connection to TSM/JS with one of the conditions of accepting the millions of dollars being non disclosure and agreeing NOT to sue TSM....so.....there's that.....

Corbett came out and said right at the start of the scandal that TSM was never under investigation...why? There was NEVER even a preliminary investigation....Didn't he want to know how a PCSO was able to found a charity that he used as a victim farm for decades right under the OAG/CYS/DPW's noses??? I guess not....I can see why since Corbett was getting hundreds of thousands of campaign donations from TSM big wigs/their families all while he was supposedly "investigating" JS for 2.5 years...

 

[WeR0206]

Or maybe because there is no money there.

Actually, wasn't TSM sued by at least one of the accusers?

Yes, V6 sued JS personally & TSM and possibly V9 as well, not sure on him though.

 

[CDW3333]

why did the judge dismiss their motion?

Because it was bullshit.

 

[WeR0206]

1. If it's exculpatory and withheld, then that's sure-fire reversible error and the prosecutors risk losing their law licenses. The defendants made the claim that it was exculpatory because they were fishing.

2. Hell, no. The prosecution doesn't have to give up its work product unless it's exculpatory. If the defense lawyers want to know what Courtney and Harmon have to say they can go talk to them. The judge may order the statements produced after trial starts.

Or...perhaps the defendants made that claim b/c the statements were exculpatory. Have you seen the mental/legal gymnastics the state/judge went through just to allow Baldwin to testify against CSS? I wouldn't put ANYTHING past them.

The prosecutors who first brought the CSS charges are the same pillars of integrity that were part of fina's misogynistic porn ring (ie they have NO morals or integrity) aka Corbett (a guy who is up to his eye balls in the JS scandal) cronies..... Who knows about the judge. The state of the judicial system in PA is disgrace...a Supreme Court justice resigned in disgrace after being outed as one of Fina's porn dogs....just look at the mess Centre County is in! Many PA judges have been shown to have a far too cozy relationship with prosecutors. I'm sure that this is just another example of that.

Long story short, once the real JS scandal is exposed I'd say it would be a good bet that a number of former Corbett prosecutors lose their licenses....think Mike Nifong.....

 

[Aoshiro]

Don't you think somebody would've stepped up by now? A former 2nd Mile kid, a parent of a 2nd Mile kid, an employee of the 2nd Mile, an employee of CYS/DPW. Somebody. After 31/2 years.

Maybe there's nothing there. Maybe this really is a Penn State scandal.

They did step up. Quite a few of them. They took Penn State's money and signed the agreement to keep their mouths shut and not sue The Second Mile.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Remember: Katherine Genovese admitted in 2008 that The Second Mile "already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys."

Second Mile official had concerns about Jerry Sandusky and certain boys in 2008

By The Patriot-News
on November 15, 2011

STATE COLLEGE — One of the biggest questions surrounding the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal has been whether anyone at his charity, The Second Mile, suspected anything.

The Patriot-News has learned that, in 2008, Second Mile executive Katherine Genovese told a person in authority that the charity already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys.

That conversation is said to have occurred in late 2008 around the same time that a Clinton County boy came forward with detailed allegations of sexual abuse. He became Victim One in the grand jury investigation.

Genovese, the vice president of development, is married to Jack Raykovitz, who resigned Sunday as Second Mile CEO.

Raykovitz and Genovese were paid more than $233,000 combined by the charity last year, according to tax records.

Between September 2001 and August 2010, Raykovitz’s salary increased 40 percent. During the same period, his wife’s salary rose 55 percent, tax records show.

People are asking The Second Mile who knew what and when.

In response, the charity’s board of directors — the ones sticking with the organization — hired former Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham to conduct an internal investigation.

Abraham will be in charge of finding out how much employees knew and how much was shared about the sexual assaults that have been alleged in a 23-page grand jury presentment, interim CEO David Woodle said.

Raykovitz’s departure and Abraham’s investigation came as cracks in the charity organization started to show.

Abraham’s investigation is now the fourth —along with Penn State, the attorney general and the U.S. Department of Education — to examine the allegations of child sex abuse and widespread cover-up.

Gov. Tom Corbett has said the attorney general’s grand jury investigation is now looking at what The Second Mile did and didn’t do.

“We’ve put in this internal investigation at our own initiative to review all the events up to this date and talk to everybody,” Woodle said.

Woodle, vice chairman of the board of directors, would only say Raykovitz stepped down for the good of the organization. He would not say what Raykovitz might have told the board about an alleged incident on Penn State’s campus in 2002 that was never reported to police.

When he was asked about any concerns expressed by Genovese about Sandusky in 2008, Woodle had no comment.

Genovese is still working for the organization, Woodle said. Repeated attempts to contact Genovese by phone at her home on Monday were not successful.

When asked if he had ever heard allegations against Sandusky before 2008, Woodle, 56, said the full history will be detailed in Abraham’s investigation.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/second_mile_executive_katherin.html

 

[BUFFALO LION]

It was in the Federal Register. Because you're not a lawyer you don't know why that's important.

The Federal Register, abbreviated FR or sometimes Fed. Reg., is the official journal of the federal government of the United States that contains government agency rules, proposed rules, and public notices.[1] It is published daily, except on federal holidays. The final rules promulgated by a federal agency and published in the Federal Register are ultimately reorganized by topic or subject matter and codified in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), which is updated annually.

And I'm still waiting to here about how the US Supreme Court is going to reverse Lynn's appeal.

Problem was, in 1999, they decided not to change the final regs as it pertained to that Section (668.46). In 2001, the 1999 Regs still didn't identify a "team coach" as a CSA no matter how much you try to blow smoke up everyone's a$$ and say they did.

Even though the FR identified team coach as a possible example of a CSA, it was ambiguous because they said it wasn't practical to specifically identify who should or shouldn't be a CSA. They said official responsibilities and job titles vary too much from campus to campus. As you well know, they said they would give "further guidance" in this area..... which they did. It was the Handbook which wasn't available to Joe in 2001..

 

[BUFFALO LION]

QUOTE="Cruising Route 66, post: 116253, member: 314"] TC made JC/TSM co-conspirators in a cover up by asking JR to talk to Jerry and then go no further. [/QUOTE]

Wait. You're saying that Tim told Raykovitz to talk to Jerry and go no further?????? If Tim didn't want to take a chance with Raykovitz "taking it further", he would have never told him in the first place. I know you hate these guys, but even you can't believe they were as brain dead, three stooges stupid as you make them out to be.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Because there isn't a speck of evidence (Some 31/2 years later) that TSM broke any laws.

There is no equivalent of V6's mother who complained to TSM that her kid was molested by Sandusky. None of the victims testified that anyone at TSM knew about their molestation. There is no equivalent of a MM who reported that he saw molestation to high level administrators. There is no equivalent of Joe Paterno, a high level administrator, who testified that he received a report of Sandusky molesting a kid. There's no evidence that any kids were molested at TSM events or on TSM premises (unlike the 1/2 dozen victims who testified that they were molested on PSU premises). There is no equivalent of the janitor in the V8 case who reported that he saw Sandusky molesting a kid. There are no emails of high level TSM employees considering reporting Sandusky to the authorities but then deciding not to because it wouldn't be humane while recognizing they would be vulnerable if Sandusky keeps up his behavior. There's no evidence that TSM even knew of the '98 incident. There's no evidence that TSM knew about Chambers's letter tagging Sandusky as a probable pedophile in '98. There's no evidence that TSM knew anything about '01 other than a report of horseplay in the shower.

You Joebots should get together and finance an investigation into TSM. Maybe you'll find some evidence of wrong doing. Right now there is none.

OK. I'd love to know who you work for. My guess is the State. Maybe if your boys in the AG's Office wouldn't have let The Second Mile destroy all those records, there would be some of that "evidence" you're telling us there should be. And when you now tell us that your Mandated Reporter Laws aren't worth the paper they are written on, why even have the law?

No "Victims" came against the Second Mile because they didn't want to miss out on the 2 to 3 million dollars they were going to get from Penn State. According to at least one of the "victims", they were told they HAD to go against Penn State to get any settlement even though they didn't blame Penn State. They were told everyone else was off limits. According to them, your boys gave the Second Mile and the other guilty parties Protection.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Don't you think somebody would've stepped up by now? A former 2nd Mile kid, a parent of a 2nd Mile kid, an employee of the 2nd Mile, an employee of CYS/DPW. Somebody. After 31/2 years.

Maybe there's nothing there. Maybe this really is a Penn State scandal.

You can't be serious. I can get you a job right now. Call Dawn Hennessy, Aaron Fisher's Mother. She and Aaron blame The Second Mile and Central Mountain High School, but your boys made them sign away their rights to sue The Second Mile.

According to her tweets, they don't blame Penn State at all, but were told that's they only place they were allowed to get a settlement. They know they can't sue The Second Mile anymore, but they would LOVE to sue CMHS. Problem is, they can't find an attorney to take the case. They were told by "The Commissioners" to back off and leave the school alone. In fact, their Child Psychologist, Mike Gillum, was fired by the County for trying to push the case against CMHS.

So you're looking for a Second Mile kid to defend that blames somebody other than Penn State? Give Aaron Fisher's mom a call. Your buddy Corbett isn't in office anymore, so maybe you won't get into trouble.

 

[CDW3333]

Or maybe because there is no money there.

Actually, wasn't TSM sued by at least one of the accusers?

Thdere wo

OK. I'd love to know who you work for. My guess is the State. Maybe if your boys in the AG's Office wouldn't have let The Second Mile destroy all those records, there would be some of that "evidence" you're telling us there should be. And when you now tell us that your Mandated Reporter Laws aren't worth the paper they are written on, why even have the law?

No "Victims" came against the Second Mile because they didn't want to miss out on the 2 to 3 million dollars they were going to get from Penn State. According to at least one of the "victims", they were told they HAD to go against Penn State to get any settlement even though they didn't blame Penn State. They were told everyone else was off limits. According to them, your boys gave the Second Mile and the other guilty parties Protection.

I work for me. I have my own law office far from PA. I know, it's impossible for you to believe that somebody honestly disagrees with you, they must have an ulterior motive. I'd get that mental illness checked if I were you.

 

[CDW3333]

Names. Who knew at the 2nd Mile and when?

You can't be serious. I can get you a job right now. Call Dawn Hennessy, Aaron Fisher's Mother. She and Aaron blame The Second Mile and Central Mountain High School, but your boys made them sign away their rights to sue The Second Mile.

According to her tweets, they don't blame Penn State at all, but were told that's they only place they were allowed to get a settlement. They know they can't sue The Second Mile anymore, but they would LOVE to sue CMHS. Problem is, they can't find an attorney to take the case. They were told by "The Commissioners" to back off and leave the school alone. In fact, their Child Psychologist, Mike Gillum, was fired by the County for trying to push the case against CMHS.

So you're looking for a Second Mile kid to defend that blames somebody other than Penn State? Give Aaron Fisher's mom a call. Your buddy Corbett isn't in office anymore, so maybe you won't get into trouble.

ChiTown Lion linked to a 31/2 article saying that Lynne "One Tough Cookie" Abraham was investigating TSM. What happened? Where are the documents? Where are the witnesses? What were the conclusions of the investigation?

If Aaron Fisher's mother took money from Penn State and doesn't really blame them she and her son should be sued for fraud. Right now. Personally, I think you made up a bunch of crap.

Does Ms. Fisher name any names at TSM that knew about Sandusky and didn't tell anyone? Maybe board members. Maybe The Second Mile Honorary Board Member Joe Paterno knew stuff but never told anybody. There, now we have a name.

 

[Cruising Route 66]

QUOTE="Cruising Route 66, post: 116253, member: 314"] TC made JC/TSM co-conspirators in a cover up by asking JR to talk to Jerry and then go no further.

Wait. You're saying that Tim told Raykovitz to talk to Jerry and go no further?????? If Tim didn't want to take a chance with Raykovitz "taking it further", he would have never told him in the first place. I know you hate these guys, but even you can't believe they were as brain dead, three stooges stupid as you make them out to be.[/QUOTE]

They were stupid enough to allegedly lie to grand jury and think they were personally being represented by Cynthia Baldwin. JVP proved to be much smarter than them. No?

 

[CDW3333]

To be clear, I'm perfectly willing to believe that people at TSM knew Sandusky was a pedophile and did nothing. Same for CYS and DPW. I'm willing to believe members of the BOT were complicit.

But there's no evidence after 31/2 years for any of that.

You can argue that it strains credulity to say that nobody at TSM knew Sandusky was a pedophile. That "they had to know." But that's the same kind of "reasoning" that people, correctly, deride when it's applied to Paterno.

 

[ChiTownLion]

CDW - what do you make of Kitty's remark?

"The Patriot-News has learned that, in 2008, Second Mile executive Katherine Genovese told a person in authority that the charity already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys."

Also, as I'm sure you're aware, Lynne Abraham suddenly and mysteriously stopped her investigation into The Second Mile. And you're right - we'll probably never find evidence in the three years worth of files shredded by TSM.

 

[nits74]

Wait. You're saying that Tim told Raykovitz to talk to Jerry and go no further?????? If Tim didn't want to take a chance with Raykovitz "taking it further", he would have never told him in the first place. I know you hate these guys, but even you can't believe they were as brain dead, three stooges stupid as you make them out to be.

They were stupid enough to allegedly lie to grand jury and think they were personally being represented by Cynthia Baldwin. JVP proved to be much smarter than them. No?[/QUOTE]
"Allegedly lie"? How does that prove stupidity?

 

[Cruising Route 66]

They were stupid enough to allegedly lie to grand jury and think they were personally being represented by Cynthia Baldwin. JVP proved to be much smarter than them. No?

"Allegedly lie"? How does that prove stupidity?[/QUOTE]


That's the allegation. My opinion is that it will be proven true and when it is it will have been a stupid thing to have done.

 

[CDW3333]

CDW - what do you make of Kitty's remark?

"The Patriot-News has learned that, in 2008, Second Mile executive Katherine Genovese told a person in authority that the charity already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys."

Also, as I'm sure you're aware, Lynne Abraham suddenly and mysteriously stopped her investigation into The Second Mile. And you're right - we'll probably never find evidence in the three years worth of files shredded by TSM.

Her remark is at least quadruple hearsay (the PN writes that somebody told them that Genovese told somebody they had "concerns" which presumably were based on reports from somebody else). But by '08 Sandusky was being investigated by the state anyway, so sure they would have concerns. Maybe if their honorary board member had spoken up earlier, say, 2001, they would've had concerns much earlier.

On this shredding issue, I just Googled "The Second Mile Shredding" and nothing popped up (other than Blehar-type BS). Further poking around came up with this article http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...lped-sandusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=4

That contained this language: "Officials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case."

So, prosecutors were looking at TSM, at least in 2011.

That's the closest I could find and I'm starting suspect this whole TSM shredding thing is a board myth (which I'd always accepted).

And, honestly, documents concerning expense accounts, travel, gifts aren't the first place I'd look (you can those records from the credit card companies and banks) for evidence of abuse. I'd look through the employee/volunteer files and interview those people. And I'd check the hard drives on the computers. And three years of records hardly matters when Sandusky's abuse went on for at least eight years, right ('98-06)?

And, so, Lynne Abraham is also part of the ever burgeoning conspiracy. Yeah, right. We must be up to literally hundreds of people who are in on it now.

 

[WeR0206]

Either Lynne Abraham is a part of the smokescreen that allowed TSM big wigs to slip off into the sunset OR she was told to back off due to the ongoing Gordon Zubrod/FBI/US Postal Inspector investigations into TSM.

 

[ChiTownLion]

CDW, does the quote at the bottom not pique your curiousity? Pulled from Ganim story (webarchive via @JmmyW):

DPW says it is not conducting an internal review of how the agency handled interactions with Sandusky during the last several decades.

As a foster and adoptive parent and the founder of a child care agency that aided foster families, Sandusky had a lot of dealings — mostly positive — with the welfare department.

But one, which would eventually lead to his arrest, was in November 2008, when Victim 1 told a counselor that he was being abused.

Immediately upon hearing the allegation, Gerald Rosamilia, director of Children and Youth Services in Clinton County, called The Second Mile.

Rosamilia was associated with the Clinton County branch of The Second Mile, and told Genovese over the phone that he needed to cut all ties with the charity because one of its employees was under investigation.

She pressed him about who. He told her it was Sandusky.

Several people with knowledge of that conversation say that Genovese responded by saying, “We’ve had to tell him to back off certain kids before.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20121115...ssf/2012/08/second_mile_jerry_sandusky_4.html

 

[jerot]

Oh no......

 

[ChiTownLion]

Does Lynne Abraham have a Penn State problem?

• By Anna Orso April 29, 2015

Just days after former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was charged with molesting eight boys he’d met through his charity for troubled youth, Lynne Abraham was there.

It was November 2011, and she’d been hired as general counsel by the already-ailing charity, The Second Mile. At the time, Abraham vowed to investigate the organization and its board, to discern who knew what and when they knew it. The plan was to turn over relevant evidence to the Office of the Attorney General, which continued to investigate Sandusky for his crimes.

And then there was radio silence. No report from Abraham. No evidence the AG could attribute to her. There’s been no sign there ever was an investigation and inquiry she promised to conduct.

Abraham, the former longtime Philadelphia district attorney, is now running for mayor and was asked Monday night about the abandoned investigation during a sit-down with a Philly Magstaffer. The reporter, Holly Otterbein, said during the event that after putting a call-out on Twitter for questions for Abraham, the most common question was about The Second Mile.

In response, Abraham passed the buck...

Full story: http://billypenn.com/2015/04/29/does-lynne-abraham-have-a-penn-state-problem/

 

[WeR0206]

Great post Chi....another thing that I find completely unbelievable is that Rosamilia said he wasn't interviewed by ANYONE in LE until summer of 2011 (2.5 YEARS after Clinton Country filed their "indicated" report).

Wouldn't one of the first things LE would do (if they wanted to do a REAL investigation) when Corbett got the case in March 2009 go back to the ORIGIN of the charges against JS (V1's abuse claim to Clinton County CYS in late 2008) and look at Rosamilia's report and speak to him, etc.????

WTF???

 

[ChiTownLion]

Exactly. One one hand, you see the state parsing Paterno's words about any possible rumors in the past.

Yet, here we have The Second Mile's Katherine Genovese straight-up telling CYS Director Gerald Rosamilia that The Second Mile had concerns about Jerry Sandusky's behavior with other boys (before Aaron Fisher) and that they've "had to tell him to back off certain kids in the past."

• Who were those boys and why was Jerry told to "back off?"
• Why did The Second Mile never institute a protection plan or REPORT their obvious SUSPICIONS to the AUTHORITIES? Why was TSM never held accountable for these violations of state law? Why isn't anyone talking to Jack Raykovitz or Katherine Genovese who seem to be the protectors of a great deal of info?
• How did three years of records conveniently go "missing" (shredded) from before and after the 2001 incident (2000-2003)? Not to mention Tom Corbett waiting 2-3 years before issuing a search warrant of Jerry's home and office at TSM.
• Why does everyone promise to investigate Jerry's VICTIM FACTORY, but mysteriously drop these investigations?

Compelling questions, but CDW would rather talk about Paterno.

 

[jerot]

Because there isn't a speck of evidence (Some 31/2 years later) that TSM broke any laws.

There is no equivalent of V6's mother who complained to TSM that her kid was molested by Sandusky. None of the victims testified that anyone at TSM knew about their molestation. There is no equivalent of a MM who reported that he saw molestation to high level administrators. There is no equivalent of Joe Paterno, a high level administrator, who testified that he received a report of Sandusky molesting a kid. There's no evidence that any kids were molested at TSM events or on TSM premises (unlike the 1/2 dozen victims who testified that they were molested on PSU premises). There is no equivalent of the janitor in the V8 case who reported that he saw Sandusky molesting a kid. There are no emails of high level TSM employees considering reporting Sandusky to the authorities but then deciding not to because it wouldn't be humane while recognizing they would be vulnerable if Sandusky keeps up his behavior. There's no evidence that TSM even knew of the '98 incident. There's no evidence that TSM knew about Chambers's letter tagging Sandusky as a probable pedophile in '98. There's no evidence that TSM knew anything about '01 other than a report of horseplay in the shower.

You Joebots should get together and finance an investigation into TSM. Maybe you'll find some evidence of wrong doing. Right now there is none.

If they had to put up money they would also have to shut up.
Therefore, never happen.

 

[JoeBatters1]

Thdere wo

I work for me. I have my own law office far from PA. I know, it's impossible for you to believe that somebody honestly disagrees with you, they must have an ulterior motive. I'd get that mental illness checked if I were you.

Where did you go for undergrad and law school?

 

[CDW3333]

CDW, does the quote at the bottom not pique your curiousity? Pulled from Ganim story (webarchive via @JmmyW):

DPW says it is not conducting an internal review of how the agency handled interactions with Sandusky during the last several decades.

As a foster and adoptive parent and the founder of a child care agency that aided foster families, Sandusky had a lot of dealings — mostly positive — with the welfare department.

But one, which would eventually lead to his arrest, was in November 2008, when Victim 1 told a counselor that he was being abused.

Immediately upon hearing the allegation, Gerald Rosamilia, director of Children and Youth Services in Clinton County, called The Second Mile.

Rosamilia was associated with the Clinton County branch of The Second Mile, and told Genovese over the phone that he needed to cut all ties with the charity because one of its employees was under investigation.

She pressed him about who. He told her it was Sandusky.

Several people with knowledge of that conversation say that Genovese responded by saying, “We’ve had to tell him to back off certain kids before.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20121115...ssf/2012/08/second_mile_jerry_sandusky_4.html

That's 31/2 years ago. What's anybody done to find out if she actually made the statements and, if so, what she meant by them? Right now, we have a rather aged report based entirely on hearsay from anonymous sources. Also, I though Genovese was a woman.

And you're just dancing around the question. Where is there any evidence that anybody at TSM knew that Sandusky was a pedophile before Sandusky was reported to the state?

You just keep changing the subject. I want witness statements. I want emails. I want documentary evidence. Not fourth or fifth hand anonymous statements.

 

[CDW3333]

Chi Town Lion seems to be suddenly interested in 31/2 year old articles about TSM.

Here's one that seems to have escaped his attention.

Report: Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno did business with Second Mile board members

The Daily is reporting that former Penn State head football coachJoe Paterno had close business ties with board members of The Second Mile, the charity founded by alleged child molester and former Nittany Lions assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The publication reports Monday that Paterno and three fellow investors, including longtime Second Mile board chairman Robert Poole, secured financing to build a $125 million luxury retirement community around 2002, according to public records.

The Daily also reports Paterno was partnered with that team of investors in developing a golf resort and nearby restaurant and inn. Paterno also partnered with other current and former Second Mile board members on a bottled water company, a coaching website and a chain of convenience stores.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/report_former_penn_state_coach.html

Hmmm, $125 million in financing obtained in 2002. Interesting timing, no?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Names. Who knew at the 2nd Mile and when?

ChiTown Lion linked to a 31/2 article saying that Lynne "One Tough Cookie" Abraham was investigating TSM. What happened? Where are the documents? Where are the witnesses? What were the conclusions of the investigation?

If Aaron Fisher's mother took money from Penn State and doesn't really blame them she and her son should be sued for fraud. Right now. Personally, I think you made up a bunch of crap.

Does Ms. Fisher name any names at TSM that knew about Sandusky and didn't tell anyone? Maybe board members. Maybe The Second Mile Honorary Board Member Joe Paterno knew stuff but never told anybody. There, now we have a name.

[ CDW: "Does Ms. Fisher name any names at TSM that knew about Sandusky and didn't tell anyone?"]

Is Jack Raykovitz a good enough name? You know, their Mandated Reporter that discussed the 2001 incident with the Second Mile's Executive Board instead of reporting it, and decided to tell Sandusky to wear swim trunks? Well Dawn Hennessy (Victim One's Mother) does.

Dawn (Aaron Fisher's Mother) is quoted as saying on facebook "I think Sandusky molested kids since 1971. I think the guy Raylovich from Second Mile knew what was going on".

Now unless there is some guy named "Raylovich" working at the Second Mile, which would also make them liable, I'm pretty sure she means Jack Raykovitz.

But she can't sue them anymore because Corbett's cronies made her son sign his Rights away. In fact, She claims they didn't even have to hire an attorney to get the money from Penn State.

She was complaining that she couldn't find an attorney that would go up against Central Mountain High School, especially after the County fired Aaron's child psychologist for pressing the issue. When asked why she didn't just use the one that represented them against Penn State, she said:

["No one advocated for us! We advocated for ourselves I guess. I didn't blame anyone! That was psu decision, I didn't ask for it and I have my own feelings on it. How do I have any say is what ppl do with their employees. Who could have spoke up in court? What court I was never at any hearings that have to do with penn state. No my son was not at any penn state hearings not one."]

As for your boy Corbett, he gets skewered in Fisher's book and Dawn posts ["I think Corbett slowed this investigation I think that something happened to That da Ray."] I think she probably means Gricar.

As for Joe she says ["Seriously. I don't think taking the wins was right! Neither does Aaron. It's not fair to the kids."] . And then she says ["I read the report and heard of emails brian and I didn't physically see any of them. I didn't have any say in what happened to joe! That was all from the school he made legend!! They wanted damage control! Not anything to do with me"]

Now Michael Boni out of Philadelphia DID sign up to be her attorney, but she claims she only retained him to protect her from the press. Not to represent them in any civil suits. She claims to not have paid him any fees, but does think she signed some sort of fee agreement.

Now of course Boni DID handle the settlement, but it looks like Penn State just handed over the money.

One thing about Boni. I wouldn't hire him to deliver pizza. I heard Kevin Slaten absolutely destroy him on the radio. Guy is as dumb as a doorknob. Couldn't even get the names of the three guys facing trial right (C/S/S).

Anyway, whatever he did for Dawn and Aaron to get money from Penn State (which sounds like nothing more than just driving up from Philadelphia with his suitcase and filling it up), she insinuates he wants nothing to do with going against Central Mountain High School, one of the Parties she actually blames. The "Commissioners" have warned them to back off.

Maybe you should give her a call.

 

[WeR0206]

And you're just dancing around the question. Where is there any evidence that anybody at TSM knew that Sandusky was a pedophile before Sandusky was reported to the state?

Where is the evidence that CSS KNEW that JS was a pedo before he was reported to the state (please don't cite the bullshit freeh report)? All the state has is the word of MM and his dad vs. the word of CSSP, JR, and Dr. D.

There has yet to be any evidence presented proving CSS knew, yet somehow PSU has taken ALL of the blame for JS and already paid out millions of dollars in settlements (which require the victims to NOT sue TSM btw, hello red flag!!) and received massive NCAA sanctions.

Re: TSM....As many of us have already said NUMEROUS times, it's kind of hard to get evidence when there was never an investigation. That's kind of the purpose of investigations...to gather evidence, interview folks, etc. which can help you figure out how/why something happened.

TSM has NEVER been formally investigated. (However there is some strong indication that Gordon Zubrod (U.S. Attorney for a district in PA) and the U.S. Postal Inspectors are investigating TSM right now though...)

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Chi Town Lion seems to be suddenly interested in 31/2 year old articles about TSM.

Here's one that seems to have excaped his attention.

Report: Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno did business with Second Mile board members

The Daily is reporting that former Penn State head football coachJoe Paterno had close business ties with board members of The Second Mile, the charity founded by alleged child molester and former Nittany Lions assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The publication reports Monday that Paterno and three fellow investors, including longtime Second Mile board chairman Robert Poole, secured financing to build a $125 million luxury retirement community around 2002, according to public records.

The Daily also reports Paterno was partnered with that team of investors in developing a golf resort and nearby restaurant and inn. Paterno also partnered with other current and former Second Mile board members on a bottled water company, a coaching website and a chain of convenience stores.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/report_former_penn_state_coach.html

Hmmm, $125 million in financing obtained in 2002. Interesting timing, no?

Ya. If I remember right, that story kind of fizzled out after they found out the original date had been fudged. Was nothing more than a failed attempt by the PN and MSM to smear. Kind of left egg on their faces.

 

[Madsol]

Chi Town Lion seems to be suddenly interested in 31/2 year old articles about TSM.

Here's one that seems to have excaped his attention.

Report: Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno did business with Second Mile board members

The Daily is reporting that former Penn State head football coachJoe Paterno had close business ties with board members of The Second Mile, the charity founded by alleged child molester and former Nittany Lions assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The publication reports Monday that Paterno and three fellow investors, including longtime Second Mile board chairman Robert Poole, secured financing to build a $125 million luxury retirement community around 2002, according to public records.

The Daily also reports Paterno was partnered with that team of investors in developing a golf resort and nearby restaurant and inn. Paterno also partnered with other current and former Second Mile board members on a bottled water company, a coaching website and a chain of convenience stores.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/report_former_penn_state_coach.html

Hmmm, $125 million in financing obtained in 2002. Interesting timing, no?

You nailed it CDW. Next, I'm sure you'll link the article detailing how the Paternos transferred their home into a trust just months before the GJ report was released, in an obvious attempt to shield their assets from the onslaught of lawsuits that would be coming at Paterno for his involvement in the Sandusky scandal. You're right on top of things.

 

[Aoshiro]

That's 31/2 years ago. What's anybody done to find out if she actually made the statements and, if so, what she meant by them? Right now, we have a rather aged report based entirely on hearsay from anonymous sources. Also, I though Genovese was a woman.

And you're just dancing around the question. Where is there any evidence that anybody at TSM knew that Sandusky was a pedophile before Sandusky was reported to the state?

You just keep changing the subject. I want witness statements. I want emails. I want documentary evidence. Not fourth or fifth hand anonymous statements.

Oh come on.

People are complaining about the fact that "The Second Mile was never under investigation" (Tom Corbett spokesperson Kevin Harley) and your response is to ask where the evidence is?

There is no evidence because Tom Corbett didn't do his freaking job in 2009.

And while we're at it, there is no evidence that anyone at Penn State knew that Sandusky was a pedophile, either. That hasn't stopped the state from sticking Penn State students with the bill, though.

 

[CDW3333]

[ CDW: "Does Ms. Fisher name any names at TSM that knew about Sandusky and didn't tell anyone?"]

Is Jack Raykovitz a good enough name? You know, their Mandated Reporter that discussed the 2001 incident with the Second Mile's Executive Board instead of reporting it, and decided to tell Sandusky to wear swim trunks? Well Dawn Hennessy (Victim One's Mother) does.

Dawn (Aaron Fisher's Mother) is quoted as saying on facebook "I think Sandusky molested kids since 1971. I think the guy Raylovich from Second Mile knew what was going on".

Now unless there is some guy named "Raylovich" working at the Second Mile, which would also make them liable, I'm pretty sure she means Jack Raykovitz.

But she can't sue them anymore because Corbett's cronies made her son sign his Rights away. In fact, She claims they didn't even have to hire an attorney to get the money from Penn State.

She was complaining that she couldn't find an attorney that would go up against Central Mountain High School, especially after the County fired Aaron's child psychologist for pressing the issue. When asked why she didn't just use the one that represented them against Penn State, she said:

["No one advocated for us! We advocated for ourselves I guess. I didn't blame anyone! That was psu decision, I didn't ask for it and I have my own feelings on it. How do I have any say is what ppl do with their employees. Who could have spoke up in court? What court I was never at any hearings that have to do with penn state. No my son was not at any penn state hearings not one."]

As for your boy Corbett, he gets skewered in Fisher's book and Dawn posts ["I think Corbett slowed this investigation I think that something happened to That da Ray."] I think she probably means Gricar.

As for Joe she says ["Seriously. I don't think taking the wins was right! Neither does Aaron. It's not fair to the kids."] . And then she says ["I read the report and heard of emails brian and I didn't physically see any of them. I didn't have any say in what happened to joe! That was all from the school he made legend!! They wanted damage control! Not anything to do with me"]

Now Michael Boni out of Philadelphia DID sign up to be her attorney, but she claims she only retained him to protect her from the press. Not to represent them in any civil suits. She claims to not have paid him any fees, but does think she signed some sort of fee agreement.

Now of course Boni DID handle the settlement, but it looks like Penn State just handed over the money.

One thing about Boni. I wouldn't hire him to deliver pizza. I heard Kevin Slaten absolutely destroy him on the radio. Guy is as dumb as a doorknob. Couldn't even get the names of the three guys facing trial right (C/S/S).

Anyway, whatever he did for Dawn and Aaron to get money from Penn State (which sounds like nothing more than just driving up from Philadelphia with his suitcase and filling it up), she insinuates he wants nothing to do with going against Central Mountain High School, one of the Parties she actually blames. The "Commissioners" have warned them to back off.

Maybe you should give her a call.

Your twitter buddy sounds like an absolute kook. I can see how she would have a hard time getting people to believe her even though her kid had a genuine claim.

If she really has evidence that Raykovitz has known of Sandusky's molestation going back to 1971 (or any at all) she should file a complaint with the licensing board. If there is evidence that Raykovitz knew of Sandusky's crimes and did nothing, they'll yank his license in a heartbeat.

And if Boni did half the stuff she contends he did (such as represent her when he didn't have authority) she should file a complaint with the State Bar.