Michigan AG candidate wants Lou Anna Simon to resign (link)
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I’d like to know where the usual BWI House Guests are regarding these young women sexually abused by a high profile member of the athletic department, on the campus of a Big Ten institution, many of which played an NCAA sanctioned sport.
Their high profile, winningest coach “knew”
Their athletic trainers “knew”
Their Dean “knew”
Their Title IX Office “knew”
Their campus police “knew”
Where are the usual BWI house guests with their JoeBot bullshit? Where is someone in pointing out how Mike’s “slapping sounds” is a crime versus young women being violated this way is a “nuanced” difference?
The double standard here for females is appalling and the silence is deafening. Have the house guests packed their bags?
Have they bunked in with Mark Emmert & Jim Delany?
Still waiting for a caring statement from the leadership of the highest echelons of collegiate sports in the matter.
Their high profile, winningest coach “knew”
Their athletic trainers “knew”
Their Dean “knew”
Their Title IX Office “knew”
Their campus police “knew”
Where are the usual BWI house guests with their JoeBot bullshit? Where is someone in pointing out how Mike’s “slapping sounds” is a crime versus young women being violated this way is a “nuanced” difference?
The double standard here for females is appalling and the silence is deafening. Have the house guests packed their bags?
Have they bunked in with Mark Emmert & Jim Delany?
Still waiting for a caring statement from the leadership of the highest echelons of collegiate sports in the matter.
Wendy, I agree with most everything you post. However, I don't think there is a double-standard for females being abused. Rather, I think the difference is that the legendary Joe Paterno got wrapped up in the sandusky scandal, whereas no one famous is involved in the nassar scandal. Remember, there was a time when most in the media and on social media blathered about the "Penn State Football Scandal". Joe was made out to be the bigger criminal than sandusky (even though Joe didn't know and followed the law).
In any case, when blame is misplaced and the facts are obfuscated, victims, be they boys or women, are not protected. michigan state learned nothing from the sandusky scandal.
Learned nothing?!? Talk about a euphemism for deliberately making a serious problem worse.
How does that line go again? Oh yeah... What if they were your daughters, Mitch?
Of course you know the answer; no one is paying them. A truth that is disturbing on many levels.
Just read that article. Absolutely disgusting that they are talking about a “show of support” and a raise for her. Even if she did nothing wrong it is tone deaf at best to reward her for stonewalling on one of the biggest scandals in collegiate sports history.
It’s the Band playing as the ship goes down mentality.
I predict she’s gone in 2 months as this builds.
All that you say about Joe is true but for women/girls I think there is a double standard. Abuse of boys by a male is much more “sensational”. Sadly I might add.
MSU must have a printing press somewhere like we do in the basement of Hammond. It will come in handy.
There may be something to what you say, Bob, but I also think that the #metoo movement might have started a lot more quickly if the victims had been men being sexually harassed by their male bosses.
Nobody would have believed it. I get you, Nobody believes anything until the SHTF.
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Why don't we care about the biggest sex abuse scandal in sports history?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/16/gymnastics-larry-nassar-sexual-abuse
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/16/gymnastics-larry-nassar-sexual-abuse
Wow, not sure how to react to this other than in shock with his premise that abuse of females is somewhat expected. Really???
He gives the "lack of celebrity figure involved" only a passing glance and doesn't fault the media at all.
Also totally disagree that it's more complicated than the Sandusky mess. Pretty sure this guy knows nothing about that topic.
Can you honestly say your reaction to the #metoo movement that has been ripping things apart for these last few months would be exactly the same if, in every case, the harassers and abusers were men and the victims were also men?
Do you think Roy Moore would not have been driven out of public life if his accusers were boys and young men? In Alabama???? He would have been dragged from his house, killed with clubs and pitchforks, and his body burned. And we would never have heard of him because he would have been a young assistant DA.
How do you explain this phenomenon if not by saying people expect girls/women to be abused more than men?
I'll take a stab at that.
- It doesn't involve an inflammatory grand jury presentment screaming "anal rape"
- It doesn't involve a press conference where the state police commissioner inserts the "moral obligation" meme.
- It doesn't involve a nationally recognized name attached to a high profile sports program.
- It doesn't involve the leadership in the highest echelons of collegiate sports grandstanding about a football culture that worshipped wins over common human decency
- It doesn't involve a former FBI director wagging his finger at the cameras, while looking over his readers perched on his nose...just so - and going on about "the most powerful people at Penn State"
Simply put - the media made the Second Mile/Sandusky scandal a "Penn State" sports scandal, because of exactly all the original bullshit. They never called "bullshit" on the bullshit, and just composted the original bullshit with mixing in more horseshit, chickenshit and straw into a steaming pile of mixed shit perfect for Chester County mushroom farming, not so great for actually doing that journalism thing - so why should we expect them to really care about Larry Nassar's victims?
I noticed the Nassar story only got more national attention once it involved members of the winning US Women's Olympic Gymnastic team. That's embarrassing and indicative of what the media only cares about.
Clicks and Shit.
Which is even more insulting to those women and girls that spoke before the Michigan State Board of Trustees this past Friday, simply asking to be recognized and to have their questions answered.
Can you imagine being Kaylee’s mother here? This is UNACCEPTABLE. My OAG has a hand in this as well.
Josh Shapiro can sit next to me, pat my arm and console my tears back in July 2015 - I FORETOLD THIS EXACT SCENARIO TO HIM IN HIS OFFICE THAT DAY.
I feel another letter coming on.
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IMO, the real difference with PSU was Corbett. The governor of the state supported / encouraged / created the entire scandal.
To me, these two points sum up the differences between the two scandals. Anyone who believes there isn't a huge double standard with these cases has their head in the sand. If Nassar was penetrated boys with his fingers or worse, there would be a much bigger outcry. And if he was associated with the basketball or football teams, you would also be hearing a lot more about him. The third factor is that their BOTs is actually standing behind their university employees and not making them scapegoats and throwing them under the bus. They learned a lot from the idiots on the OGBOTs in how NOT to handle a crisis!!
I can’t even 
The hypocrisy here just astounds. Where’s the “moral obligation to do more” once you know you’ve got a sexual predator?
Oh yeah - it’s not “football” and it’s not a nationally recognized name.
I simply can’t believe the amount of bullshit that’s been spewed online and at the public microphone by public officials, victims advocates & sports pundits - groups that simply don’t apply that same logic here.
The hypocrisy here just astounds. Where’s the “moral obligation to do more” once you know you’ve got a sexual predator?
Oh yeah - it’s not “football” and it’s not a nationally recognized name.
I simply can’t believe the amount of bullshit that’s been spewed online and at the public microphone by public officials, victims advocates & sports pundits - groups that simply don’t apply that same logic here.
Wait, so famous people draw attention? Hmmm, never saw that coming. Too bad he isn't a HOF coach or famous movie producer/actor. Just think if he worked for Izzo.I can’t even
The hypocrisy here just astounds. Where’s the “moral obligation to do more” once you know you’ve got a sexual predator?
Oh yeah - it’s not “football” and it’s not a nationally recognized name.
I simply can’t believe the amount of bullshit that’s been spewed online and at the public microphone by public officials, victims advocates & sports pundits - groups that simply don’t apply that same logic here.
Post-Sandusky, folks such as Emmert and Simon were in front of a microphone at every opportunity saying garbage like, "They should have done more." "Bad culture." "They placed winning above the welfare of children." "It was purposeful, premeditated and pretty pervasive." Blah, blah, blah.
Nowadays? Simon made a statement early on trying to defend MSU but was likely told by university counsel to keep quiet. The NCAA and Emmert are totally ignoring MSU enabling Nassar. I realize there was an innocent famous name at PSU which could be smeared but it seems there had to have been more which made Emmert and Co. want to eviscerate Penn State.
Oh, yes, it was a very PERSONAL campaign against Joe. He made it very uncomfortable for those that wanted to make NCAA Football an NFL Minor League because he crushed the argument that they are all semi-pro athletes. There is a lot of money in adopting that position as you negotiate TV rights, etc.; even though the actual numbers don't add up (athletes playing P5 football vs P5 athletes playing NFL football).
In other words, with the benefit of hindsight he wishes he had done more?!
If this wasn't so sad (and infuriating) it would almost be funny!
I agree with Wendy about there being a double standard, but I am not sure that is as simple as male victims vs female victims. As an example, it seems like 5 or 6 times a year we see news stories about female teachers being charged with statutory rape against male students. This is a minor blip in the news cycle and is quickly forgotten.
I think the extra factor (beyond the JVP "headline") is that it was male on male abuse, which our society seems to be extra horrified by. My guess is that speaks to the homophobia in our culture (as obviously all abuse of minors is bad regardless of their gender or the gender of their accuser).
As it turns out, the “independent investigation” MSU commissioned - the one which found MSU did nothing wrong without producing a report - was neither independent nor an investigation. Fitzgerald was hired expressly to assist MSU with its defense.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/op...state-sex-assault-fitzgerald-simon/108960446/
I’m clearly biased against MSU as a sports fan, but as a decent human being their continued handling of Nassar is unconscionable.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/op...state-sex-assault-fitzgerald-simon/108960446/
I’m clearly biased against MSU as a sports fan, but as a decent human being their continued handling of Nassar is unconscionable.
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Said it from Day 1. MSU hired a high-powered defense attorney from Chicago to give the appearance of an independent investigation, but really to cover their tracks. You won't like this example, but they did EXACTLY as Michigan did in response to Stephen Jenson. MSU was wise to follow the UM model rather than that of our BOT.
Why won’t I “like” this example? It’s an apt comparison. I said at the time - and have said since - that blaming an “inexperienced” university counsel and then papering it over with “procedural safeguards” which should have already existed was a complete farce. I stopped giving money to the UM Hospital (as did my father) as a result of what happened.
What I certainly don’t “like” is UM, MSU or Penn State enabling or harboring a child sex predator on their campuses.
