Michigan's got their QB.

[tboyer]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

 

[scueng77]

Their O game planning still sucks.

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

IMO their problems stemmed more from offensive line and coaching issues. They'll finish 3rd in the east at best. Hopefully we go up there and put one of the nails in Harbaugh's coffin.

 

[NJPSU]

Actually I was listening to College Sports Radio on Sirius this afternoon and the hosts of the show said Shea Patterson is highly overrated. They mentioned he had 2 TD's and 5 picks against teams with a winning record.

They also said he likely wouldn't have even started if stay at Ole Miss.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

People love to sleep on them here. Nobody here was calling for PSU to win the B!G 2 years ago, hell we weren't supposed to finish higher than 4th. UM was young last year all over the place and they along with PSU, OSU, and MSU all have a shot at winning the B!G east which is pretty much winning the B!G at this point.

 

[Obliviax]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

I am more concerned about out run stopping, interior D that Shea Patterson's passing game.

 

[Madsol]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

Admittedly don't know a lot about Patterson. But just looked at his stats from the last 2 years. Honestly I have no idea how you can claim he's an all-B1G caliber QB based on what he's shown so far. If he's all-B1G caliber, then McSorley is 1st team AA caliber.

 

[interrobang]

Shea Patterson might be a solid QB, but his arrival doesn't strike fear into any other B1G DC

 

[royboy]

Tough schedule for Michigan, with Penn State, at Michigan State, at Ohio State, at Notre Dame, and hard cross-over games in Wisconsin and at Northwestern.

I'd put the over/under at 3.5 losses for the regular season.

 

[Madsol]

People love to sleep on them here. Nobody here was calling for PSU to win the B!G 2 years ago, hell we weren't supposed to finish higher than 4th. UM was young last year all over the place and they along with PSU, OSU, and MSU all have a shot at winning the B!G east which is pretty much winning the B!G at this point.

I'm not sleeping on UM. But they sure weren't young in 2016 when they wet the bed at the end of the year with 3 losses in last 4 games and the 1 win being a completely uninspired 10 point home win over Indiana. Until they show differently I'm going to believe Harbaugh and UM are nothing but a whole bunch of hype. In fact, maybe I should be sleeping on them.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

First off, I completely disagree with the assumption/logic that 7-5 or 8-4 would get Harbaugh fired this year. Hopefully it happens and we find out but I don't see Harbaugh being fired any time soon.

Second, Patterson is projected as a first round pick by many. He plays in 2018 and then Dylan McCaffrey or another young QB takes over in 2019. I think this is a no risk situation for Michigan.

Finally, anyone ruling out Michigan this year is setting themselves up for disappointment. While I think OSU and PSU (maybe even MSU) should be favored to win the Big Ten over them it definitely isn't impossible for them to make a run at the division or conference. Patterson may not scare anyone but he's an instant upgrade for UM

 

[Art]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

Uh, what new offensive coordinator?

 

[psuro]

Tough schedule for Michigan, with Penn State, at Michigan State, at Ohio State, at Notre Dame, and hard cross-over games in Wisconsin and at Northwestern.

I'd put the over/under at 3.5 losses for the regular season.

They should just stay in France.

 

[PearlSUJam]

First off, I completely disagree with the assumption/logic that 7-5 or 8-4 would get Harbaugh fired this year.

The bigger issue besides his record in the B1G is why can't he develop QB's?

 

[BBrown]

The bigger issue besides his record in the B1G is why can't he develope QB's?

What is a Question that recruits are going to be asking?

 

[PearlSUJam]

What is a Question that recruits are going to be asking?

"Do you really have to sleep over? That's creepy." Or, "When is it you are going to leave to coach the Bears?"

 

[Anison]

Uh, what new offensive coordinator?

Pep Hamilton (QB coach and pass game coordinator) and Jim McElwain (WR coach, former Florida head coach) take over for last year’s combo of Hamilton and Tim Drevno (former OC and running game coordinator; currently RB coach at USC).

 

[psuro]

Pep Hamilton (QB coach and pass game coordinator) and Jim McElwain (WR coach, former Florida head coach) take over for last year’s combo of Hamilton and Tim Drevno (former OC and running game coordinator; currently RB coach at USC).

Hey Anison - as an aside - are classes and finals complete for U Mich? It seems late in the academic calendar for a spring break trip to France. Or is U Mich on a quarter system?

 

[bdgan]

IMO their problems stemmed more from offensive line and coaching issues. They'll finish 3rd in the east at best. Hopefully we go up there and put one of the nails in Harbaugh's coffin.

Hope you're correct. A lot of the gurus have PSU 4th in the BiG East this year.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/early-big-ten-football-predictions-2018

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...all-power-rankings-20180108-photogallery.html

 

[Anison]

Hey Anison - as an aside - are classes and finals complete for U Mich? It seems late in the academic calendar for a spring break trip to France. Or is U Mich on a quarter system?

UM starts early - like the first week of January. Graduation was last Saturday.

 

[michnittlion]

Patterson - he's high variance.

(1) High potential upside. Can't dispute that, the guy absolutely has the raw tools you see in your typical 1st-Round NFL Draft pick. Guy is still only 2 years out of high school - he's still got room to further develop. Harbaugh may be over-rated by people who label him "the Quarterback whisperer" but only a fool would opine that Harbaugh doesn't have good things on his resume - Patterson should get good coaching at U-M.

(2) But a rather high potential "low-side" too (although that just means U-M plays one of their other QBs). Coming off of a knee injury is not trivial. Most QBs play more poorly against elite competition - but Patterson's 2017 stats really skewed in that direction. And Patterson's effect on overall team chemistry - stuff like that is hard to predict. Potential for that to be a negative. Rumors out there that Patterson's dad is a PITA.

 

[NJPSU]

Patterson may be a better option than any of the other QBs on their roster (he probably is).... but UM's offensive difficulties extend far beyond just their QB.

That said,
Patterson's Game Log vs P5 Opponents:


Patterson's best career game came in his first career outing - - - vs TAMU:
After that, his debut season was less than "meh"

Vs TAMU.... 25 of 42 338 Yards 2 TD 1 Pick (Ole Miss won 29-28 with three late scores)

Vs Vanderbilt.... 20 of 42 222 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks (Ole Miss lost 38-17)

Vs MSU.... 27 of 48 320 Yards 2 TD 2 Picks (Ole Miss was throttled 55-20)

Patterson's second year:

Vs Cal... 26 of 44 363 Yards 2TD 3 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss LOST to Cal)

Vs Bama.... 14 of 29 165 Yards 0 TD 2 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 66-3)

Vs Auburn.... 34 of 51 346 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks 1 Sack (Ole Miss lost 44-23, was down 35-3 at half..... 160 of Patterson's yards, and both TDs, came during "garbage time")

Vs Vandy.... 22 of 35 351 Yards 4 TD 0 Pick 1 Sack (Ole Miss won 57-35)

Vs LSU.... 10 for 23 116 Yards 0 TD 3 Picks 4 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 40-24)


For the season....Patterson, hyped as a "dual-threat", had -18 yards rushing


In both years (2016 and 2017) Ole Miss was MUCH more effective on offense WITHOUT him (with Chad Kelly) than it was with him.... to the tune of an average of 10 points more per game against P5 opponents


Patterson may very well be a step up for UM offense (or, maybe not) - and who knows, maybe he will have an outstanding year.... but the entire UM offense - from coaching to line play to skill position performance - better all take a step up if UM is going to compete in the B10 East.




As is typical with Harbaugh teams - the hype is leaps and bounds ahead of the performance.

Thank you. Not sure why certain board posters are hyping this guy. The stats don't back it up.

 

[NJPSU]

I guess.....

If your definition of "a lot of the gurus" is some "half a nit-wit rag-scribe" from out of Nashville, who said UMich would be "Top 10" in 2017, and had MSU pegged for a losing record.

LMAO

Hey how do you think bdgan earned his "Mr Glass Half Empty" nickname?

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

First off, I completely disagree with the assumption/logic that 7-5 or 8-4 would get Harbaugh fired this year. Hopefully it happens and we find out but I don't see Harbaugh being fired any time soon.

Second, Patterson is projected as a first round pick by many. He plays in 2018 and then Dylan McCaffrey or another young QB takes over in 2019. I think this is a no risk situation for Michigan.

Finally, anyone ruling out Michigan this year is setting themselves up for disappointment. While I think OSU and PSU (maybe even MSU) should be favored to win the Big Ten over them it definitely isn't impossible for them to make a run at the division or conference. Patterson may not scare anyone but he's an instant upgrade for UM

Not so sure on McCaffrey but +1 on everything else.

 

[mgkpsu]

Patterson may be a better option than any of the other QBs on their roster (he probably is).... but UM's offensive difficulties extend far beyond just their QB.

That said,
Patterson's Game Log vs P5 Opponents:


Patterson's best career game came in his first career outing - - - vs TAMU:
After that, his debut season was less than "meh"

Vs TAMU.... 25 of 42 338 Yards 2 TD 1 Pick (Ole Miss won 29-28 with three late scores)

Vs Vanderbilt.... 20 of 42 222 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks (Ole Miss lost 38-17)

Vs MSU.... 27 of 48 320 Yards 2 TD 2 Picks (Ole Miss was throttled 55-20)

Patterson's second year:

Vs Cal... 26 of 44 363 Yards 2TD 3 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss LOST to Cal)

Vs Bama.... 14 of 29 165 Yards 0 TD 2 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 66-3)

Vs Auburn.... 34 of 51 346 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks 1 Sack (Ole Miss lost 44-23, was down 35-3 at half..... 160 of Patterson's yards, and both TDs, came during "garbage time")

Vs Vandy.... 22 of 35 351 Yards 4 TD 0 Pick 1 Sack (Ole Miss won 57-35)

Vs LSU.... 10 for 23 116 Yards 0 TD 3 Picks 4 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 40-24)


For the season....Patterson, hyped as a "dual-threat", had -18 yards rushing


In both years (2016 and 2017) Ole Miss was MUCH more effective on offense WITHOUT him (with Chad Kelly) than it was with him.... to the tune of an average of 10 points more per game against P5 opponents


Patterson may very well be a step up for UM offense (or, maybe not) - and who knows, maybe he will have an outstanding year.... but the entire UM offense - from coaching to line play to skill position performance - better all take a step up if UM is going to compete in the B10 East.




As is typical with Harbaugh teams - the hype is leaps and bounds ahead of the performance.

Seems like this kid needs a high # of attempts to put up yards, and Harbaugh's QBs only put up 40+ attempts in the Bowl Game last year, which didn't work out well for them.

 

[Bobpsu]

I am more concerned about out run stopping, interior D that Shea Patterson's passing game.

WHAT? Have a drink lately ?

 

[wilbury]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place.

I'm not sure the kid's even going to start. I'm not sure he would have started at Ole Miss. They have a lot of other problems besides QB.

 

[bdgan]

Hey how do you think bdgan earned his "Mr Glass Half Empty" nickname?

My 9-3 prediction is as good or better than most pundits. Are you predicting a BiG title?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

The bigger issue besides his record in the B1G is why can't he develop QB's?

Who says he can't? This is year 4...which means this is his third recruiting class (the first year isn't YOUR full class as it was recruited by someone else and you had to try to finish). Maybe he actually has to develop them instead of the guys he recruited. I'm still not convinced Dylan McCaffrey isn't going to be ready in 2019 and this is a stop gap. He clearly didn't like the guys that were there when he arrived.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Patterson may be a better option than any of the other QBs on their roster (he probably is).... but UM's offensive difficulties extend far beyond just their QB.

That said,
Patterson's Game Log vs P5 Opponents:


Patterson's best career game came in his first career outing - - - vs TAMU:
After that, his debut season was less than "meh"

Vs TAMU.... 25 of 42 338 Yards 2 TD 1 Pick (Ole Miss won 29-28 with three late scores)

Vs Vanderbilt.... 20 of 42 222 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks (Ole Miss lost 38-17)

Vs MSU.... 27 of 48 320 Yards 2 TD 2 Picks (Ole Miss was throttled 55-20)

Patterson's second year:

Vs Cal... 26 of 44 363 Yards 2TD 3 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss LOST to Cal)

Vs Bama.... 14 of 29 165 Yards 0 TD 2 Picks 5 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 66-3)

Vs Auburn.... 34 of 51 346 Yards 2 TD 0 Picks 1 Sack (Ole Miss lost 44-23, was down 35-3 at half..... 160 of Patterson's yards, and both TDs, came during "garbage time")

Vs Vandy.... 22 of 35 351 Yards 4 TD 0 Pick 1 Sack (Ole Miss won 57-35)

Vs LSU.... 10 for 23 116 Yards 0 TD 3 Picks 4 Sacks (Ole Miss lost 40-24)


For the season....Patterson, hyped as a "dual-threat", had -18 yards rushing


In both years (2016 and 2017) Ole Miss was MUCH more effective on offense WITHOUT him (with Chad Kelly) than it was with him.... to the tune of an average of 10 points more per game against P5 opponents


Patterson may very well be a step up for UM offense (or, maybe not) - and who knows, maybe he will have an outstanding year.... but the entire UM offense - from coaching to line play to skill position performance - better all take a step up if UM is going to compete in the B10 East.

As is typical with Harbaugh teams - the hype is leaps and bounds ahead of the performance.

I'm most confused about who ever said he was a dual threat guy....

Chad Kelly (who was a 6th year senior I believe/at least 5th year) should have been more productive than a freshman, right? No?

Those numbers aren't bad that you're posting. Yes, he was awful against Bama. I watched the Cal game and that really wasn't his fault---there wasn't much he could do. Think Hack vs Temple. The LSU game was really the only bad game and his team had quit on that point.

There's a reason many are projecting this kid as a first round pick. I'm not saying he's going to "light things up" or make Michigan the favorite but a ton of schools would have been thrilled to add this kid. Maybe it will be a Hackenberg situation when you have an early draft pick that is some combination of over-valued without enough supporting cast but I have no idea what you think you're proving with these stats.

 

[NJPSU]

My 9-3 prediction is as good or better than most pundits. Are you predicting a BiG title?

You know why you are "Mr Glass Half Empty".

 

[LDandy]

Shea Patterson got NCAA clearance to play this fall. He is an all-B1G caliber QB.

Potentially, but with guys like Mcsorley, Thorson, Stanley, and Lewerke returning and guys like Dwayne Haskins taking over at OSU there are no sure things.

That makes Michigan extremely dangerous IMHO. Everything about that team changes if they have a QB who is a difference maker.

Its hard to argue that they can be much worse on offense than they were last year, as it looked like they were playing in an era before the forward pass. That said their key issue will be OL, which could be a real weakness for that team.

They will have the underdog thing going for them, they're under the radar because of the past two years, but meanwhile they have as much talent on their roster as anybody in the B10. Plus this feels like do or die year for Harbaugh. He and the team knows if they lose 4-5 games again this year he is going to be gone.

Underdogs in their own locker room perhaps, but being Michigan it would not surprise me if they were ranked around the top ten in the preseason. Oh the pressure of expectations will be alive in Ann Arbor. As for Hairball, I honestly wonder how many players commit to him, and how many commit to Michigan. I mean Brady Hoke was killing it on the recruiting trail. I actually fear them firing Harbaugh and actually getting a good coach. That's far more dangerous IMO.

Anyway, assuming Patterson's healthy and the new Michigan OC can get the offense revamped, they will be very very dangerous and PSU had better be ready to play really well when they go to Ann Arbor, because UM will be dying to put PSU back in their place

PSU realizes that if they don't bring their best game they are capable of being beat. They certainly are not going to overlook Michigan on the road. As for UM if they aren't looking to put PSU back in their place I would question their competitive spirit. Hopefully our D has gelled by the time we head there, and Mcsorley can lead us to victory.

 

[PearlSUJam]

This is year 4...which means this is his third recruiting class

So he'll have at least one junior and one sophomore that are "his" yet he continues to bring in transfers.

 

[bdgan]

You know why you are "Mr Glass Half Empty".

What's your prediction?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

So he'll have at least one junior and one sophomore that are "his" yet he continues to bring in transfers.

As he should when a guy like Patterson is available. Just like we should bring in Hurts if given the opportunity. The objective is to make your team better. McCaffrey was class of 2017...it's understandable that he's not ready. Who do you want him to play at QB? Not every recruit makes it--goes for us as well

 

[PearlSUJam]

As he should when a guy like Patterson is available. Just like we should bring in Hurts if given the opportunity. The objective is to make your team better. McCaffrey was class of 2017...it's understandable that he's not ready. Who do you want him to play at QB? Not every recruit makes it--goes for us as well

No thanks. I'll roll with the guys we have unless there's a career ending injury. I'm not sure Hurts would even be the third best QB on the roster. So you don't think it's career suicide to keep bringing in transfers to start right away over kids you recruited?

 

[81b&w]

Just like we should bring in Hurts if given the opportunity

Hiliarious! Thank you! Don't you get it .... Hurts SUCKS!

 

[78SweetRevenge]

No thanks. I'll roll with the guys we have unless there's a career ending injury. I'm not sure Hurts would even be the third best QB on the roster. So you don't think it's career suicide to keep bringing in transfers to start right away over kids you recruited?

We completely disagree. Mistakes are made--you shouldn't pull the scholarship but the team shouldn't suffer while you play a lesser guy. We also disagree regarding Hurts.

We'll see how it impacts QB recruiting as time goes on. As of right now, he's making the best decision for his team. I don't even comprehend the argument that he's making a mistake here.

I think you're mentality is old school--football has changed--you don't have to like it but you need to accept it

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Hiliarious! Thank you! Don't you get it .... Hurts SUCKS!

You can say he sucks and that's fine. He's not a good fit in Bama's offense. Much better fit in our offense. Check out his record sometime. If Hurts decides to leave Bama teams will fight insanely hard for him. If he goes to Penn State everyone will change their tune very quickly regarding him.

 

[81b&w]

Check out his record sometime

Yea, he has the most loaded team in the nation so I'd expect that should help. Was awesome to see his replacement actually do what Hurts should have been doing