Michigan's got their QB.
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I really liked how well Hurts reacted to get taking out, not a character issue there but I have no idea why you think this kid should come here?
i find it odd that he cannot develop his own team. I thought that Peters was in his 4th year and McCaffrey will be in his 3rd year. something wrong if you are elite and the coach is going elsewhere. this is the second "miracle" delivered to Harbaugh.
How is Hurts a much better fit in Penn State's offense? You actually have to read defenses and make intricate throws like timing passes in our offense. Bama's is a run first, O-line bludgeon you to death, type of offense with NFL talent at every position. That doesnt sound like Penn State.
I can't wait to read your response, I can see you now twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to double down.
3rd and 2nd respectively...Peters isn't working out. Is that on Harbaugh? Sure--it was a poor evaluation at the beginning or a poor job of coaching him up or both. But I believe (and time may prove me wrong) that he brought in Patterson simply so he didn't have to rush McCaffrey. We simply see adding transfers differently. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong
How is Hurts a much better fit in Penn State's offense? You actually have to read defenses and make intricate throws like timing passes in our offense. Bama's is a run first, O-line bludgeon you to death, type of offense with NFL talent at every position. That doesnt sound like Penn State.
I can't wait to read your response, I can see you now twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to double down.
How much did you watch Bama last year? Our offense simplifies things for QB--most, not all, of the time it's two reads and a lot of that is pre-snap recognition. He'll also never be under center so he won't have to be reading a defense while dropping back. If you think out our offense is more complex then we just disagree. Hurts is perfectly suited for the RPO and bring one thing Trace doesn't. Homerun ability with his legs.
If you're gonna tell me Hurts can make the the same kind of throws McSorley is required to make on a regular basis than go ahead and triple down. And I'll look foward to reading your responses.
Hurts has spent two less years in college than Trace. He absolutely has the ability to make the reads and the throws. Your little bitchy comments at the end don't bother me. Man up.
Hurts wouldn't start at PSU this year. Maybe at UM or tOSU, not at PSU.
No one said he'd start at Penn State this year....even if he transferred he has to sit for a year
He is too safe and it cost him his job. Good athlete, but not a true QB....still good enough to make it work in college. If he weren't at Bama, he would be average to be honest.
Hurts first instinct once things start to break down is to run, that's why he was pulled so quickly by Saben in the NC game. At that point he'd been the starter for two full years, and still hadnt learned anything. I suspect 2 more years as the starter wouldnt have helped him.
Where do you get this stuff? You are simply making it up when you say our QBs have two reads. We have a west coast based passing scheme. You regularly see TM go through multiple progressions. Re-watch the Fiesta Bowl and see how many plays where TM went to what appeared to be his third (and sometimes fourth) option. Our offense needs a highly skilled passer who can move. Not a runner who can pass a bit. No matter how talented a QB is at running, most coaches want QBs who get the ball to the playmakers. I really think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of our offense.
You're assuming is that Hurts can't do those things--we disagree. Your misunderstanding that a true RPO (which isn't our whole offense) has more than 2 reads is exactly that. Not everything we do is RPO. I never once said McSorley doesn't ever have to make more than 2 reads....not once. I even stated "not all".
This is simply a classic example of our fan base giving too much credit to someone on our team and refusing to give credit to others. Our offense is the most complicated in the world...no one other than the guys on our roster can run it.
Justin Fields is the perfect example of the ideal QB in our offense which is why we pushed for him so hard.
You're getting exposed as a know-it-all who actually knows very little.
Go ahead, continue, dig your hole deeper.
I'm not at all but I really don't care about your opinion. If Hurts tries to transfer you can bet everything that we'll be a player. When Trace is being evaluated next year for the NFL draft I'm already prepared to see you and others freaking out and claiming everyone is exposing themselves for not knowing football.
If Trace wants to play in the NFL, I hope he gets the chance. But the point here is his effectiveness at Penn State, which is very high, and the skill with which he makes reads and plays in the Penn State offense.
Your passive-aggressive trolling has given you a bad name around here.
The classic MK response!
You had disdain for Trace when he was a R-Fr, and you still have it for him as an All-BIG performer. You never stop.
Go read David Jones' excellent critique of McSorley on Pennlive, and then you tell me Hurts can play the same. Your analysis is laughable!
Now I'm MK...I'm always someone.
Trace is a great college QB...haven't ever said otherwise. I even think he'll be drafted on day 3. Confused.
I'm just enjoying the fact people don't comprehend RPO...if that's trolling then so be it
Maybe you're conflating RPO with Read/Option. You're a knowlegeable coach
why dont you give us your critique? I want to learn from you.
So we agree that either he's a bad talent evaluator at the QB position, can't get the right recruits for the position for his offense, or simply can't coach them up. Transfers are a shortcuts. I'm not the one who doesn't get it.
Maybe you're conflating RPO with Read/Option. You're a knowlegeable coach
This is the best response you could come up with?
I agree that he missed on Peters...that's the only one we can evaluate at this point...at least fairly. You shouldn't be expected to play a first or second year QB. The prior regime left him in a bad spot then he missed on one guy. You're reaching. The fact you're criticizing him for adding Patterson is ridiculous. If McCaffrey is a bust then you'll have an argument--hell, if he adds yet another QB next year you'd have an argument but this is the first season in which his recruits are upperclassmen and should be expected to start. I just think people are dying to be right about Harbaugh so they're jumping to conclusions early. I'm terrified of what happens if Michigan beats us this year. This board will lose its collective mind.
My point is he continues to recruit great classes year after year yet can't get it right at the position he played in the NFL. And he coached a team to the Superbowl. He should be turning away 5 star QB'S left and right. How many other college coaches can say that? Hell, he even had TB12 up there doing his work and still has to resort to transfers. It's really entertaining.
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Well you double down on stupid arguments just like he always did. You answer every post with a post, just like he did. You liken yourself a coach just like MK. You are more a BIG fan than a Penn State one just like MK. You particularly show a lot of interest in Michigan, note the number of your posts in this thread, just like MK.
78SweetRevenge, I dare you to get membership in the Den where the posters over there know you as well I do. You couldnt withstand scrutiny, and would get banned again. I for one would love to see you over there, it would add some dramatic flare.
You're acting as though he's been there for a decade or something. This is year 4 which means he's had 3 full recruiting classes. Again, there's one miss--Peters. I think you just want to see something that isn't there.
You're responding to every post...does that make you this MK guy. Wait, now the MK guy was a Michigan fan--everyone else that accused me of being him said Ohio State and Northwestern but now Michigan? Buy me a membership. I'd be glad to argue with people that are as ignorant as you are
How many college coaches last a decade these days? He parlayed Andrew Luck into a NFL job then wore out his welcome there so here he is. I hope he sticks around and keeps missing. Its fun to watch.
If you consider what the coaching staffs at Iowa and Wisconsin do with far less talent, and with the top rated classes he's recruited lately, it could be argued he and his staff are the 5th best in the B1G.
Wrong again. Harbaugh brought in Peters, Zach Gentry, and John O’Korn to UM. Despite having years to develop them, none of them panned out at QB. To be fair, Harbaugh also brought in Jake Ruddock as a patch in 2015. Ruddock was a two year starter at Iowa and transferred into Michigan shortly before the start of his senior season. Ruddock was solid but it’s not like Harbaugh developed him as they were only together a short time. If PSU’s QB position was as bad as UM’s has been, our fan base would be going nuts.
Gentry was a desperation signing as he just took the job a few months prior. Unlike Franklin he hadn't been recruiting for the past 2 years with these kids when he took the job. At no point in time do I ever hold a coach responsible for that first class unless they were already on the staff. O'Korn was a transfer from Houston (not sure why we're counting transfers now) that was another desperate move. I'll concede O'Korn though. Not buying Gentry at all. But to each their own
We already know they will lose to OSU...so one more loss in this group and they won’t win the Big East.
It doesn’t matter how many times you watch the game if you don’t know what you are watching. Why bother with him?
Michigan broadcaster says the only qb he'd trade Patterson for in the B1G is McSorley and the comments are comedy gold.
