That is my point. There are a lot allegations being made by anonymous sources. Until some of this becomes actual fact, example an AD or coach stating that they have made a request for the Big10 to intervene, I don't believe it.
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I mentioned earlier in the thread that the speculation is Stalions was there not to steal signs for Michigan but to steal signs for CMU. The logic goes CMU does not have budget for a sign stealing analyst. Ergo, they bring in Stalions for a game. What are the odds that any of the MSU's signs are going to be relevant in what is a scrimmage game? I did not see a camera out.
What an interesting theory. Fantastic, in fact. Really explains why he had a blank sheet on his clip board instead of MSU’s signs. Explains why he was recording for later review. And really explains why he was hiding in the background talking to no one. So just how was he helping CMU?
Purdue's head coach disagrees with you. You have better connections than he does though I'm sure.
You are ignorant if you don't think the NFL spends HOURS watching film of each draft prospect. All the film of Michigan players from the past 2.5 year is tainted.
I believe the odds are as follows:
10% Big Ten does nothing
50% Big Ten suspends Harbaugh and/or coordinators for remainder of season
40% Suspensions, fines and post-season ban.
"Wow, look at this guy read almost every single play correctly! Instincts and football IQ are off the charts!"
I think its near impossible to steals signs in game real time and everything points to him stealing MSU signs to compare to the plays that were run to help UW when they played MSU later - the connections are all there - I wonder if the can get Stallions under oath to see how far this Michigan Man will go to cover for UM cheating.
yeah...the theory is total BS. I'll guarantee that the employment contract forbade them from working for or sharing information with any other organization. The guy wasn't a free agent consultant, he was an employee of UM. The very fact he was wearing CMU gear with the CMU team tells you all you need to know. Somebody was doing somebody a favor that was cheating.
Yeah, they always talk about how a player “has great instincts “ …. Which are always way better when you know the plays!
The almighty unmeasurables…..🤷🏿♂️….
The lions should rework Hutchinson contract then. His college film was tainted. They could maybe save some money
They honestly should invest in getting him some PR training (or Michigan should), embarrassing when the guy opens his mouth and he’s going to get more questions on the scandal.
That’s why I don’t think Michigan wants to or will sue the big ten or NCAA. The NCAA and Conference don’t have subpoena power and it’s not a crime to lie to them. Whole nother ball game once you take it to court. I don’t think even the UM fans drinking all the kool-aid would argue Stalions testifying in court would be good for the program.
Could speed up the reply time to about 10 days to deal with your issue.
That is not how law works. What would happen if it turns out it was nothing? And who is they? The NCAA or the Big10? The NCAA has to do their investigation and than do the equivalent of a grand jury to ask is there enough. I have no problem with a suspension if a formal accusation has been made. The NCAA has to follow their guidelines which is 90 days. You are sounding like frontier or southern justice and want someone on the end of the noose.
Interesting observations and conclusions. Based on the latest comments by the Purdue coach, I’d appreciate your opinion as to whether The American Civil War, The Holocaust, and 9/11 actually happened.
What? It happens all the time. In fact, Michigan suspended your OC when suspicions came out and then fired him later when the investigation showed it was a fireable offense.
Well there is that, but come on man it doesn’t fit the other narrative.
This isn't a legal matter. This is a private member organization deciding how to enforce their rules. The Big Ten, who does not have well articulated rules for this sort of thing, can more or less do whatever they want (there are some rules about who has to approve punishments but that's about it).
Michigan could choose make it a legal matter post hoc but as other point out that opens up a lot of cans of worms regarding testimony from people who otherwise aren't required to make statements.
Michigan State ran the play in for two series. Than they stopped. It was all show because MSU had changed up their calls as they always do. Haller has his own problems to take care of on his watch.
You are correct. Unlike the NFL and Goodell, the NCAA nor the Big10 has the role hegemon. If the target school feels they are unfairly targeted they will call out the emperor has no clothes. If the investigation does show that Michigan coaches were aware of Stalions conduct I am fine with a suspension. If this was Stalions acting on his own and the NCAA still wants to put on a heavy hammer, I would hope Michigan resists.
It is a speculation. The speculation is he was actively assisting CMU in attempting to steal signs. A MAC teams does not budget for a dedicated sign stealer. I would argue that if Stallions was there to steal signs for future use, it would have been easier to be in the stands at elevation where he could record the entire game.
Well you sold me. Everyone knows that the Laws of Physics and Historic flaws in camera technology prevent their effective usage when one is standing closer to the target at the same elevation.
The payments aren’t speculation, the dozens of preprinted and laminated signal sheets he’s photographed holding during games aren’t speculation, the videos of him interacting with both coordinators while they call plays while he is referencing the sheets are not speculation, the ticket purchases aren’t speculation and the video of people in the seats he purchased recording the sidelines aren’t speculation.
At this point you could walk in on Stalions banging your wife and call the affair speculation until the DNA test 9 months later
It appears that would be the only way to convince him. Because he’d probably deny the evidence reflected on the films Stalions made of the affair.
During the season?
Flip 1 and 3 and then you're on the right page
After the season that make sense not I'm the next 60 days.
If it doesn't occur before Dec 2nd, the league loses all credibility for competitive fairness. You'd have a team in the conference championship game (possibly) who cheated for more than half the season. Not acceptable.
This is what I mean my not being realistic. The odds of a post season ban by then is almost 0 regardless of what you think is acceptable.
Doesn't mean you can't want it. It's just unlikely. Michigan will fight unlike when they tool action against us
The converse of that is that if the schools that were harmed by this feel that they are being treated unfairly, they will call out the emperor for having no clothes. Last time I check 13 schools >>>> 1 school. That's part of why UM is screwed (well, that and they are guilty).
You're still assuming all 13 ADs will support discipline because thr coaches want it.
Everything. Michigan will fight it. The Big Ten gains nothing financially by doing it. They won't rush an investigation. Michigan probably has a 95% of being post season eligible I'm 2023...maybe 99.999999%
The only incentive for the Big Ten to act is public pressure which won't force it. As long as Michigan is fighting nothing happens other than a postseason ban.
Again, how is Stalions "acting on his own"? He is on camera standing next to Michigan coordinators and the Head Coach relaying signals such as "edge pressure" to them, right before an opponent brings edge pressure. I will hang up and wait for your response. This should be rich.
That's nonsense as anyone who knows anything about the "Institutional Control" clause can tell you. If Hairball used the work product without vetting it whatsoever, he's toast. Hairball hired this guy and commissioned him to investigate opponent plays and accompanying signals - if he took a "don't ask, don't tell" approach with the guy, that's on Hairball.
Fight it how? Through the courts? They file for a stay order? Does B10 not have a reasonable opportunity to present its side? Obviously, it wouldn't be the same as UM suing B10 which would make UM open to discovery--something they may not want but the B10 could use that as an opportunity to share information they have that all of us don't have. Would that be good or bad for UM? I would assume not good. Also, if UM were to sue or file a stay order, B10 would respond but perhaps, some or all of the individual schools would file a briefing in support of the B10 as damaged parties?
scUM will use Dewey, Cheatum & Howe.
haller was the team connection in the ELPD before he got the AD gig....and his players were suspended immediately because they were on film commiting crimes...later charged with both misdemeanors and felonies, comparing apples and oranges
I understand that they are familiar with Cheatum's work.
They have a ton of options to consider and have attorneys well versed to advise.
What do you think Michigan would do if the Big Ten tried to place any sanctions, especially a ban on this postseason on them? You think they're going to just accept it? Come on now.
We all know what's most likely to happen here--people just don't like it.
