I don't know what's coming. However, it does seem like a crazy time to make an announcement. I would at least wait until after the Penn State game.
More Trouble Brewing in Ann Arbor?
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Pettiti has already lost all credibility no matter what he does. He appears to cave into pressure from other Big AD's. He overreacted and pulled a Trump in that he thought he was not bound by any rules or regulations. If he backs off he will appear weak for not going through with what he threatened to do. If he goes through, he will lose in court. Any lawyer is welcome to break down the UM response. I have seen those who claim to be lawyers construe their own opinions with free flowing text. I have not seen a response to the official document generated by UM that references the Big10 and NCAA guidelines and describes why they believe Pettiti is out of line.
Lawyers on the board! Tell us why UM lawyers are blowing smoke.
It doesn’t need to be fair to Michigan. They cheated.
I'm fine with that logic--most aren't. If anything happens today watch the narrative change from anti-Michigan to Michigan was treated unfairly
If they cheated they should not be eligible for post season play.
Do it two or three days before the game or after the game. One day before the game doesn't give either side enough chance to adjust
Correct--I'm not sure why that somehow is you showing your true colors
Does anyone truly believe now is the best time to do this?
meh. in a world where everyone is playing nicely with each other, sure a delay is nice and gentlemanly, but in a world where the other side is behaving like a douche bag, you reap what you sow
vim gladii damoclis non ut secet , sed quod pendeat
Well, he’s the commissioner of the Big Ten. That’s 14 teams. Despite what some on the Michigan board think, they are no more important than anyone else. They are 1 of 14. No more, no less. The vote is apparently a strong 13-1.
If 13 ADs, coaches, and university presidents are pushing a commissioner to act over obvious and well documented cheating, he’s going to act. He has the authority to suspend, fine, and go further with the approval of the presidents and chancellors.
Whether he loses in court is unknown. I know Michigan fans are pushing that mantra but, frankly, they aren’t neutral arbiters on the subject. Petitti has plenty of Big Ten lawyers advising him as well (and IiRC he’s a Harvard lawyer himself??). Time will tell.
Plus, any lawsuits open Michigan computers, texts, emails, etc to discovery and depositions. There’s no hiding like Stalions and company can do with just the NCAA investigators. The Michigan posters always seem to forget the flip side of the lawsuit path.
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The late decision doesn't only impact Michigan--it impacts Penn State as well
And if it couldn't have been done earlier this week then Monday is sooner than later
Doing it right now is disruptive to both teams
Although wasn't the announcement supposed to be 1230--we're way past that.
The other thing is, I don't see it as a big penalty for Harbaugh to be suspended. When Urban Meyer stepped aside for about three games, Ryan Day did fine. I would personally look for other ways to penalize Michigan this season.
meh. i don't know that psu's game planning is so wrapped up in the inner psychological tendencies of harbaugh. i mean, as i see it that would be like james franklin being john cusak in being john malkovich, and i don't see that.
First, we don't know the real evidence. Second, this is now the third issue in less than a year. the first was the OC being fired in January and the FBI involved. This may or may not be team-associated. Second, Harbaugh lied to the NCAA on some trivial matters but got suspended two games. Now this. So I can easily see this being "institutional" control. And there is an old saying, "there is never a wrong time to do the right thing".
...and lots of organizations do the "Friday night dump" for "bad news". Why? People are out and about. The hope is that they'll miss it. Big CF fans will see it and know but the light fans may not. Most think everyone cheats anyway.
No. Monday would still be later than today.
The funny thing is that you insisted that punishment wouldn't be handed out before the completion of the NCAA investigation. Do you still believe that's the case?
Have a weird feeling Stallions LLCs were somehow tied to NIL / NIL Deals.
Ok, I didn't know that. I wonder if Michigan issued a 1099?
Very possible...especially with the Blake Corum thingy. We may come to find out that the entire program was out of control. On the other hand, it may be three little brush fires. But there is a LOT of smoke. The B1G may just want to get out in front of this before it blows up.
It is impressive how the U of M board has gone to bat for JH....unlike PSU, also impressive that Dan Wetzel who lives in Michigan is reporting as if he is an assistant U of M Coach......I noticed that a Wetzel also works at M Go Live, perhaps son......perhaps no relation.....just interesting. Wetzel reporting like a UofM Fanboy.
well, he doesn't want to lose followers and clicks. I always thought it was nuts that so many C-PA writers turned on PSU ten years ago. I am sure most paid a heavy price.
No I didn't. This is people not reading. I've said all along a suspension with pay or a fine is reasonable and limits the odds Michigan wins in court.
I think the Big Ten is making a mistake by acting and will lose in court.
That’s another side of the story that gets forgotten.
If you’re a Michigan fan, do you want Stalions computers, texts, emails open for the ncaa and Big Ten to see regarding the LLCs which include Blake Corum?
Are you really that comfortable saying ‘see you in court’? The NCAA is toothless in investigations where people can refuse to cooperate, but once you hit a courtroom with discovery and depositions…..
I am pretty sure the NCAA already has those. They are UM company property along with the messages Stalions may have used some personal devices to go "off grid" in terms of communications for some "stuff" but the UM stuff is probably already in the hands of the investigators. I don't believe UM would have standing to withhold that data.
But you are correct in that any criminal activity could result in subpoenas for Stalions personal devices. But I haven't yet heard of any laws that were broken by Stalions.
The person, who identified himself as a former Division III football coach, told ESPN that he attended three Big Ten games involving Michigan opponents during the past two seasons. He recorded the teams' sidelines and uploaded the video to a "shared iPhone photo album." The person also told ESPN that he "received roughly $1,000" for his time and expenses.
well, sure, but short of full on dismissal, which ain't happening or what um is advocating, distraction will exist
Bielema weighs in (no pun intended)
For Michigan, but it only impacts Penn State if it impacts tomorrow's game.
I agree.....Central PA sports writers in general attack PSU although there is no other game in town. Pittsburgh writers attack PSU to court favor with their Pitt fan boys......Philly does not seem to care as much about college sports as Pro Sports........
If Michigan chooses to continue to pay Harbaugh, I'd like to see the Big 10 fine match whatever Michigan pays Harbaugh.
Law is not a Democracy. Law is what the written rules are. If the mob wants to hang him high, the sheriff says no. The response references the locations of all Big10 and NCAA rules/regulations/guidelines in question. I have read them am of the opinion that it is a slam dunk in UM's favor. The fact that the "Harvard Lawyer" has submitted no punishment is proof that he knows he overstepped his bounds. It does not take days to digest a 10 page response. That is why this thread is winding down. I say lets talk football and enjoy a great rivalry game. If PSU wins, I will not have hard feelings. The better team would have won.
i'm sure none of the supposed "lawyers" on this board are familiar with rule 32 of the BT handbook
BS. Players and coaches get punished all the time for activities that don't break laws. Laws and sports rules are not the same thing at all.
Mushmouf weighs in:
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Desmond Howard Insists Big Ten is Treating Michigan Unfairly: ‘This Would Never Happen in the SEC’ — Sports Illustrated
The Wolverines great came to the defense of his alma mater on Friday morning.
Respectfully, no one is talking mob justice. There are clearly stated rules. Michigan broke them. Even most Michigan fans aren’t denying that.
The commissioner has the ability to levy punishment and fines. We’ll see what has been decided shortly.
Don't worry. Michigan will probably receive additional punishment when the NCAA investigation has been completed.
