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What I’m wondering is if it wasn’t Vito and it was AB or Carter who lost, would the sky be falling?
 
Agree with everything you said above with the exception of "luck." (which you stated wasn't the right word). I would substitute tactics. Vito's tactics were for sh&t this match and Ryan's were elite (as usual).

As for Aaron, highly, highly doubtful that Crookham will take down against him (he didn't against McGonigle), so Aaron's going to have to win 1-0 or do something very difficult - get a TD against him.
Yep I read your prior postings and very much agreed with most of the analysis . I purposely didn’t use the word tactician as you had since the meaning wasn’t clear to me and could be construed differently . Your word though better than mine lol

I’ve watched this match a few times already especially the first period where Vito doesn’t get the take down after dragging him back and then the escape after the first takedown. I shake my head in disbelief both times

And to be totally honest that escape could have been a six point difference . 3 points takedown , 1 point escape , 1 point no time left in period for the escape, 1 point for riding time had the match played out differently .
 
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NM, do you have any insight into Vito's weight plan this year WRT to trials, etc? It seems him and Carter particularly have a difficult choice in terms of when to descend. I obviously have no clue what Carter's plan is, but I figured I'd ask.
I can only guess. He'll have a month after NCAAs to get to 125.x. I would think he'll plan on weighing as little as possible in March, depending on how well the season goes (hopefully, getting better here on out!). Tough choices for the tweeners, definitely.
 
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IF AB or Carter lost yesterday, the sky WOULD be falling, because that would mean they were hampered with a significant injury.
And Carter won B10s and NCAAs (including Lewis in the finals) with a broken hand. So him losing yesterday would've taken a worse injury than that.
 
wow. that is a good one.. no one would win that trivia q. Would have though 10+
Crazy. Typically, Lehigh and Cornell don't do the same pre- or in-season tournaments. Freshman year, he wrestled the dual, and Lehigh's not very good 125er didn't go far in the EIWA and certainly not the NCAAs. Same deal his soph year. Junior year, he had some injury/illness right before the Lehigh dual and when he lost to Latona, so he missed two duals, and Lehigh's McGonagle got injured in his first EIWA match.

Yianni only met a Lehigh guy four times. On the other hand, Gabe Dean *beat* Lehigh's Nathaniel Brown five times, including four times in one season. Think that's bad? He beat Penn's Thomas *eight* times in his career.
 
Vito peaks in March, when it counts. Its early in the season, and Crookham was moving backwards a lot during the match, which I think confused Vito a little. Crookham didn't stay in ties long at all, which I think further confused/frustrated Vito. Big Crookham fan, but when they wrestle when it counts, my money is on Vito
well he did last march what happemed in seasons before that?
 
It’s just one match so I think no .

Didn’t brooks lose once last year . I wrote it off as it’s wrestling and if memory serves it was one move that cost him the match.
Journeyman wrestling duals in New Orleans- I watched it live. I was pretty sure he was going to get decked.

After the tournament my wife and I talked with him quite a while- he and Max Dean struck us as two of the nicest guys. I'm sure Aaron was very disappointed but he mentioned several times in the conversation how blessed he was.
 
2 more surprising results from this weekend:

141 - Josh Koderhandt (Navy) dec Cole Matthews (Pittsburgh) 5-3

125 - Jack Maida (American) maj Eddie Ventresca (Virginia Tech) 9-0
Ventresca has already been majored 2x this season. either he is hurt/weight cut or last seasons NCAA was something of a fluke
 
Pitzer lost to Grady from Navy.
If this is going to be the upset thread, can we talk about Tony Negron going up to 184 and beating Gavin Kane? That should dispel any rumor left on GIA about Penn State and steroids. LOL.
 
Wasnt it released that RBY had indeed suffered some type of ankle injury prior to the Vito match?

Or am I FOS again?
No, I think you have him confused with Spencer. The injury was not disclosed, but he obviously hAd sOmEThing WroNg WiTH hiM beCAUsE He loST.

There was an inquiry today about Spencer being 100%. A few of the more prolific posters over there (not one of JTS's aliases) ventured that they would let him know after Nov. 19 (after he wrestles at the Farrell). Not sh*tt*ng you. They have fully embraced the ExCUSes ArE for WUSsieS over there.

Not sure why Cael is hailed as a genius around here, I mean he couldn't figure out that there was a much easier way to go undefeated than to do the 159-0 thing?!?!?
 
The good ole ”im not defensive” defense.

Sorry couldnt resist, I have my own arguements here, I dont want in this one too.

PEACE OUT
 
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No, I think you have him confused with Spencer. The injury was not disclosed, but he obviously hAd sOmEThing WroNg WiTH hiM beCAUsE He loST.

There was an inquiry today about Spencer being 100%. A few of the more prolific posters over there (not one of JTS's aliases) ventured that they would let him know after Nov. 19 (after he wrestles at the Farrell). Not sh*tt*ng you. They have fully embraced the ExCUSes ArE for WUSsieS over there.

Not sure why Cael is hailed as a genius around here, I mean he couldn't figure out that there was a much easier way to go undefeated than to do the 159-0 thing?!?!?
spencer was injured?doesnt iowa use that excuse every time he lost?
 
Well one would think that Vitos chances of the Hodge are down the toilet now. That begs a another thought.

With the three point takedown what are the odds that at least one wrestler runs the table with 100% bonus? A major is possible with only two takedowns, more likely with only 3.
 
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You must be mistaking me for someone who is actually defensive, although I am still waiting for those "ugly losses" Vito had a number of times.
You listed every single loss. Do your own research. I'm not wasting my time getting into an argument with someone so defensive about it.
 
I wonder if after NCAAs Justin Basch will blame freestyle season for costing Vito the Hodge?
 
After NCAAs last year, Bashamania was tweeting out that Yanni lost the Hodge because of freestyle season. He was making excuses for Yanni and his loss to Gomez. I didn’t watch the interview, but I think it came up in one of their podcasts.
 
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After NCAAs last year, Bashamania was tweeting out that Yanni lost the Hodge because of freestyle season. He was making excuses for Yanni and his loss to Gomez. I didn’t watch the interview, but I think it came up in one of their podcasts.
Didn't catch those tweets. Perhaps he's factually correct--but that doesn't mean Yianni w/ 1 loss should have usurped Parris in the votes (and he didn't).
 
I wonder if after NCAAs Justin Basch will blame freestyle season for costing Vito the Hodge?
No.

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So Flo has Crookham ranked #1 now. That's preposterous, isn't it? I mean there's an extremely simple logic to it, but still... He's theoretically facing Nagao, Fix, and Vito again in the next month so I guess we'll see. But wow, I don't think I've ever seen a freshman rise to the top that fast before.
 
So Flo has Crookham ranked #1 now. That's preposterous, isn't it? I mean there's an extremely simple logic to it, but still... He's theoretically facing Nagao, Fix, and Vito again in the next month so I guess we'll see. But wow, I don't think I've ever seen a freshman rise to the top that fast before.
I’ve never heard of going from unranked to #1. And I’m no spring chicken.

I guess Blaze is #1 too. And will be for the entire season!
 
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In the subsequent replies to Vak, Spey goes on to defend the #1 ranking when questioned (multiple replies here, good stuff):


And Willie's take:
 
In the subsequent replies to Vak, Spey goes on to defend the #1 ranking when questioned (multiple replies here, good stuff):


And Willie's take:
I might be misremembering, but IIRC they didn't make Gomez #1 last year when he beat Yianni.

Going back further, Zain wasn't #1 after beating Stieber. But Willie was around then, so there was some sanity.
 
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