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I don't know if he went through their garbage or not, although I wouldn't put it past him, but he did take pictures through their garage windows which would have pissed me off. He should have had a round of salt shot in his ass.

I don't even know why he did that. All he proved is that a kid who had a rough life & came into $3M in his 20s bought a couple nice cars. Bombshell! Show me any 22 year old millionaire that DOESN'T have a couple of nice cars, though, and that's BREAKING NEWS
 
The debate should begin and end with: "So this guy who was previously accused of molesting a kid in a shower, then agreed to never be in that position again, was found three years later to be in that same exact position knowing full well that his nationally recognized children's charity would be in jeopardy if he was caught. How can you reasonably explain that?"
No good, reasonable answer for that.

I can definitely see where you're coming from but some minor corrections. In 98 JS was never accused of molestation. A mom was suspicious about JS showering with her son so she called UPPD. No allegation of abuse was made by the mom or V6 though.

Also we don't know if the admins knew that JS promised to not shower with kids again (Schreffler and most likely Harmon did know this though).

The child care experts at DPW told everyone this was normal coach behavior, nothing to see here. So I don't know how you can discount that when examining how 01 was handled from the admins perspective.

The people who had the most knowledge and ability to stop JS were LE and DPW in 98 and they failed miserably. TSM failed again in 01 and 08 by never implementing a safety plan, etc..

Long story short, lots of people messed up re: JS but somehow the admins are the only ones taking any heat. How nice for the state!
 
I don't even know why he did that. All he proved is that a kid who had a rough life & came into $3M in his 20s bought a couple nice cars. Bombshell! Show me any 22 year old millionaire that DOESN'T have a couple of nice cars, though, and that's BREAKING NEWS

Its not about the money ....its how you GET the money!! Most Drug Dealers have nice cars too!

Please see this post for what it is - only an honest questioning of the QUALITY of what these "victims" allege. Too many issues exist in the "COULD BE" validity of their testimony ...too much $$$ incentive to allow so little vetting of their stories....too many questionable LEGAL actions taken by the OAG. WHY!!!!!

We need a better group of unbiased facts - not repressed therapy "Stories" potentially driven by the incentive of PSU's open checkbooks - to validate that the crimes reported happened as stated. A "reasonable to assume" story line with so many question marks is not enough.
 
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They new it was going on...but to many prominent people were making some major coin...so it was let go....

I guess?

Like I explained to Shapiro LAST year here in Philly - if this was an Executive Director of the SPCA accused of abusing dogs he/she accessed from the shelter or via a "Cesar Milan" gig he/she had going on the side - and the SPCA was partnered with < insert any college here in the Phila area > for volunteer & fundraising efforts - the pitchfork & torch crowd would be in the SPCA parking lot demanding answers.

It would have been an SPCA problem - not <insert college name here >.

That never happened with Second Mile.

Shapiro totally agreed with me.

And yet - here we are.
 
Do you mean the "friend" who asked Aaron for money & is bitter that they didn't get any, or the neighbor who askes Aaron for money and is bitter that they didn't get any?

Or the ex-girlfriend who thinks she should get some of Aaron's money and is bitter that she didn't get any? Or maybe the aunt who figured she'd be able to get some money from Aaron and is bitter that she didn't get any?

Great sources, all.
All the victims cannot possibly be lying, right? But, all of the above surely must be lying.....I get it. So it is all about the money or is it?
 
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Sorry - no can do. Last I spoke with John about getting his "fake victim" info in front of someone at our incoming Attorney General's executive team he called me a F*CKING C*NT WHO CAN ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.

Apparently I am THE WORST ONE OUT THERE.

Then he went on to rant about F*CK PENN STATE - YOU ALL F*CKING DESERVE WHAT YOU F*CKING GOT. I AM SO F*CKING DONE WITH ALL OF YOU. I DON'T GIVE A F*CKING SHIT ABOUT ANY OF YOU - YOU ALL CAN JUST F*CKING DIE.

So no. I won't "debate".

I want Second Mile Leadership to explain to the F*CKING PENN STATE COMMUNITY how there is ZERO chance their charity founder is guilty of abusing charity clients.

I want them to explain why it is that they never tried to stop the media shitstorm.

I want them to explain why they let the Penn State community be smeared as football crazed child rape enablers.

I want them to explain why then, this is a witch hunt.
well that seems a little harsh....
 
Do you mean the "friend" who asked Aaron for money & is bitter that they didn't get any, or the neighbor who askes Aaron for money and is bitter that they didn't get any?

Or the ex-girlfriend who thinks she should get some of Aaron's money and is bitter that she didn't get any? Or maybe the aunt who figured she'd be able to get some money from Aaron and is bitter that she didn't get any?

Great sources, all.
So what you are saying is that testimony from those that know Aaron can't be trusted because money could influence what was said. I guess you would then have to concede that "versions" of testimony on Aaron would change if money was involved.....Hmmm.... where else has the "money changes everything" testimony suspicion come from???
 
So what you are saying is that testimony from those that know Aaron can't be trusted because money could influence what was said. I guess you would then have to concede that "versions" of testimony on Aaron would change if money was involved.....Hmmm.... where else has the "money changes everything" testimony suspicion come from???

I'm saying that zig either never interviewed Aaron's actual friends or buried the interview.
 
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Like I explained to Shapiro LAST year here in Philly - if this was an Executive Director of the SPCA accused of abusing dogs he/she accessed from the shelter or via a "Cesar Milan" gig he/she had going on the side - and the SPCA was partnered with < insert any college here in the Phila area > for volunteer & fundraising efforts - the pitchfork & torch crowd would be in the SPCA parking lot demanding answers.

It would have been an SPCA problem - not <insert college name here >.

That never happened with Second Mile.

Shapiro totally agreed with me.

And yet - here we are.

That's a dumb analogy. I'm sure he nodded his head & got the crazy lady out of his office as quickly as possible.


In that analogy, the spca would still exist. TSM does not. How dense do you have to be to not comprehend that?
 
So many 3rd grade comments from sPitters. Why don't they go to their own board and comment on their pathetic athletic department?
 
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Like I explained to Shapiro LAST year here in Philly - if this was an Executive Director of the SPCA accused of abusing dogs he/she accessed from the shelter or via a "Cesar Milan" gig he/she had going on the side - and the SPCA was partnered with < insert any college here in the Phila area > for volunteer & fundraising efforts - the pitchfork & torch crowd would be in the SPCA parking lot demanding answers.

It would have been an SPCA problem - not <insert college name here >.

That never happened with Second Mile.

Shapiro totally agreed with me.

And yet - here we are.

People are being protected that knew...blame it on PSU football, more people will believe that. It's just a coincidence that C/S plead guilty and on the same day PSU athletic renovations come out...I believe Blehar, Sheerhan, and you....I will take that to my grave. Unfortunately I am believing I will never find out the truth while on earth...sad. And I am only in my 50's!
 
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That's a dumb analogy. I'm sure he nodded his head & got the crazy lady out of his office as quickly as possible.


In that analogy, the spca would still exist. TSM does not. How dense do you have to be to not comprehend that?

TSM no longer exists but they transferred assets and none of their officers were charged with wrong doing. Not even by the media.

Why do you think PSU BOT approved settlements were contingent on the victims holding TSM harmless?
 
So many 3rd grade comments from sPitters. Why don't they go to their own board and comment on their pathetic athletic department?

You get my post deleted because I called you out as a homophobe, did that trigger you Snowflake?
 
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Facebook chat after Glenn Beck appearance. So 99.9% of the population think JS is guilty yet there is no one that dare sit down and debate this guy? I don't mean some media member who has no clue and doesn't really care anyway (Pierce Morgan), I mean someone who is very well versed in the case and not just working off emotion. Someone capable of critical thinking and not afraid to admit they are/were wrong. Someone who is truly interested in the actual truth and not what is politically correct. In other words, is there a "Ziegler" for the JS is guilty side? If so, they need to debate in an open forum.




So is your main point JS is innocent? Or you're just into good old fashion debating?
 
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I assumed JS was guilty for a good year or two from the time everything broke. Since then, I've read lots and am now to a point where I think it's pretty obvious what happened here. Jerry was guilty of being an idiot and putting himself in situations where he could be accused of crimes. In my mind he is no pedophile. This is the most investigated CSA case in US history and all you have is sketchy testimony from guys who lawyered up and were paid millions of $. Go through each accuser one by one and it becomes clear how incredibly weak the case is. Some of the accuser's stories are down right laughable.

The whole case is built on Aaron Fisher (I don't believe him and neither do those closest to him) and Alan Myers (who defended JS until he got paid). The PSU brass is totally invested in JS being guilty as are the media, politicians, and plenty of others. JZ is right on the money with his conclusions and I think he scares a lot of people because they know he's right. You can't deny that he knows more about this case from multiple angles then anyone else out there and he's "110%" confident in his assessment. I think he's a smart and brutally honest guy and I take his work seriously. Why would someone have his opinion purely for attention? How could that possibly help a person's career? I've talked to lots of people about this case over the last 5+ years and the ones who are informed at least have serious doubts about the "JS is a monster" narrative. PSU's reaction to this crisis in November 2011 set up huge barriers to a fair evaluation of the situation. Very sad.
 
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I assumed JS was guilty for a good year or two from the time everything broke. Since then, I've read lots and am now to a point where I think it's pretty obvious what happened here. Jerry was guilty of being an idiot and putting himself in situations where he could be accused of crimes. In my mind he is no pedophile. This is the most investigated CSA case in US history and all you have is sketchy testimony from guys who lawyered up and were paid millions of $. Go through each accuser one by one and it becomes clear how incredibly weak the case is. Some of the accuser's stories are down right laughable.

The whole case is built on Aaron Fisher (I don't believe him and neither do those closest to him) and Alan Myers (who defended JS until he got paid). The PSU brass is totally invested in JS being guilty as are the media, politicians, and plenty of others. JZ is right on the money with his conclusions and I think he scares a lot of people because they know he's right. You can't deny that he knows more about this case from multiple angles then anyone else out there and he's "110%" confident in his assessment. I think he's a smart and brutally honest guy and I take his work seriously. Why would someone have his opinion purely for attention? How could that possibly help a person's career? I've talked to lots of people about this case over the last 5+ years and the ones who are informed at least have serious doubts about the "JS is a monster" narrative. PSU's reaction to this crisis in November 2011 set up huge barriers to a fair evaluation of the situation. Very sad.
No the whole case is about the real victims testifying what Jerry did to them. Not just the ones that did not testify or you don't like because some whacko chased him around. Jerry admits blowing raspberries on 10 year old boys stomachs. Not a toddler or baby, but a 10 year old. Perfectly normal behavior and not grooming at all.

Jerry had to shower with these boys even after being told to stop. Jerry managed time after time to get these young boys alone. Odd thing is next to nobody outside of some small group of fans and JZ think he is innocent. Ray sure as hell doesn't. The Paterno's don't. JZ and his small merry band of delusional PSU fans that cannot handle reality think he is innocent. You think the investigation was the trial still apparently. You totally deny the 8 people that testified because that pill is too hard to swallow.

You bought into a conspiracy theory and now are wrapped around the finger by it. PSU screwed up, but that doesn't mean Jerry is innocent. Sadly you'll keep beating this drum until Jerry is dead or admits to it.
 
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Once garbage is at the curb, it's free to be searched. LE does this with bums all the time. And some of these claimants and their lawyers are bums.
 
Once garbage is at the curb, it's free to be searched. LE does this with bums all the time. And some of these claimants and their lawyers are bums.

Great. But Ziegler did not search through victim's trash anyway. He never said that he did.

This is just an example of the false info/fake news around this case.

He never said he searched through trash. He didn't search through trash. But lots of people assume he did, though they can't recall where they got that impression.
 
I assumed JS was guilty for a good year or two from the time everything broke. Since then, I've read lots and am now to a point where I think it's pretty obvious what happened here. Jerry was guilty of being an idiot and putting himself in situations where he could be accused of crimes. In my mind he is no pedophile. This is the most investigated CSA case in US history and all you have is sketchy testimony from guys who lawyered up and were paid millions of $. Go through each accuser one by one and it becomes clear how incredibly weak the case is. Some of the accuser's stories are down right laughable.

The whole case is built on Aaron Fisher (I don't believe him and neither do those closest to him) and Alan Myers (who defended JS until he got paid). The PSU brass is totally invested in JS being guilty as are the media, politicians, and plenty of others. JZ is right on the money with his conclusions and I think he scares a lot of people because they know he's right. You can't deny that he knows more about this case from multiple angles then anyone else out there and he's "110%" confident in his assessment. I think he's a smart and brutally honest guy and I take his work seriously. Why would someone have his opinion purely for attention? How could that possibly help a person's career? I've talked to lots of people about this case over the last 5+ years and the ones who are informed at least have serious doubts about the "JS is a monster" narrative. PSU's reaction to this crisis in November 2011 set up huge barriers to a fair evaluation of the situation. Very sad.

Dear lord you people are pathetic. Keep reading your internet reports from wannabe lawyers and conspiracy theorist whack jobs that make Alex Jones look normal.

The dude showered with kids...and that alone is cause to throw him away for life. Yet, the BWItards continue to defend him.

I don't get how Penn State-educated people can be so stupid.
 
Jerry was guilty of being an idiot and putting himself in situations where he could be accused of crimes.

And there you go!

HE'S AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A CHILDREN'S CHARITY WHOSE TARGET POPULATION IS AT RISK KIDS!

Jeezus H. Christ - for someone to NOT KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTED A CRIME - SHOULD A PARENT ESCALATE A COMPLAINT - HERE IN PA IS INEXCUSABLE!

That's like excusing the executive director of a fireworks & explosives company for blowing up not only himself, but the entire office building and staff for being stupid and naive around gunpowder & dynamite.
 
He had my post deleted for pointing out the irony of using "sPitters" in a post complaining about 3rd grade insults.

It was just a gif of Iron man ironing a shirt.

For someone who hates political correctness and being offended, he sure gets butt hurt a lot...
 
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I don't even know why he did that. All he proved is that a kid who had a rough life & came into $3M in his 20s bought a couple nice cars. Bombshell! Show me any 22 year old millionaire that DOESN'T have a couple of nice cars, though, and that's BREAKING NEWS
It shows that there is a tremendous lack of humility. I would think that someone who is a victim of CSA that wants to make a difference would want to extract money from those who enabled and donate (not all, but some) that money to survivor groups.

Someone like AF, who takes a pic on a 5* hotel bed making it rain all over himself while flipping the bird to the camera tells me he was thinking one of two things..
A) "Dumbasses, can't believe you bought it but oh well, the money is mine now"
B) "Being abused by JS was worth every penny"- I highly doubt anyone subjected to such abuse would ever consider that, but his photo tells a different story. To me at least.

I find it hard to believe that someone that has had such a torturous life would throw himself in front of the camera to make a scene. Most people I've encountered who have been abused in some sort of way feels shame.

AF doesn't hint at being remotely shamed whatsoever. Maybe he's just an exception to that rule, but I don't buy it.
 
It shows that there is a tremendous lack of humility. I would think that someone who is a victim of CSA that wants to make a difference would want to extract money from those who enabled and donate (not all, but some) that money to survivor groups.

Someone like AF, who takes a pic on a 5* hotel bed making it rain all over himself while flipping the bird to the camera tells me he was thinking one of two things..
A) "Dumbasses, can't believe you bought it but oh well, the money is mine now"
B) "Being abused by JS was worth every penny"- I highly doubt anyone subjected to such abuse would ever consider that, but his photo tells a different story. To me at least.

I find it hard to believe that someone that has had such a torturous life would throw himself in front of the camera to make a scene. Most people I've encountered who have been abused in some sort of way feels shame.

AF doesn't hint at being remotely shamed whatsoever. Maybe he's just an exception to that rule, but I don't buy it.

Oh STFU and get off your high horse. If you got millions of dollars in your 20's you wouldn't have bought nice things? Get bent. You must be one of those hypocritical boomers who acts like they didn't ever drink back when they were in college.
 
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It shows that there is a tremendous lack of humility. I would think that someone who is a victim of CSA that wants to make a difference would want to extract money from those who enabled and donate (not all, but some) that money to survivor groups.

Someone like AF, who takes a pic on a 5* hotel bed making it rain all over himself while flipping the bird to the camera tells me he was thinking one of two things..
A) "Dumbasses, can't believe you bought it but oh well, the money is mine now"
B) "Being abused by JS was worth every penny"- I highly doubt anyone subjected to such abuse would ever consider that, but his photo tells a different story. To me at least.

I find it hard to believe that someone that has had such a torturous life would throw himself in front of the camera to make a scene. Most people I've encountered who have been abused in some sort of way feels shame.

AF doesn't hint at being remotely shamed whatsoever. Maybe he's just an exception to that rule, but I don't buy it.

Do you have a picture of him on a 5* hotel bed with loads of money (like thousands?)

I will bet you don't
 
Oh STFU and get off your high horse. If you got millions of dollars in your 20's you wouldn't have bought nice things? Get bent. You must be one of those hypocritical boomers who acts like they didn't ever drink back when they were in college.
I didn't say anything about not buying nice things. I said that people awarded money *usually* give back in some sort of way to advocacy efforts.

The reality is that people who have been abused try to bury the memories. Some openly talk about it because they ligitimately want to bring awareness to the problem.

So getting back to the nice things thought.. from a level headed personal perspective, anytime I walk into the garage and look at an expensive asset, I take pride in knowing that I earned it. I worked hard to get it.

Take someone like AF, I find it hard to believe that he walks into the garage and looks at his corvette and says "yeah, that old mans schlong in my ass was totally worth it". Or, maybe it doesn't phase him because maybe that's now how it went down.

People aren't robots. When faced with traumatic experiences you spend a lifetime trying to distance yourself from it.

Would you want $3mm reasons to be reminded of an old mans schlong in your ass? Maybe. But if so, you're clearly not in line with what constitutes as "normal behavior". I've learned over my life not to trust people who show abnormal behavior.
 
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I didn't say anything about not buying nice things. I said that people awarded money *usually* give back in some sort of way to advocacy efforts.

The reality is that people who have been abused try to bury the memories. Some openly talk about it because they ligitimately want to bring awareness to the problem.

So getting back to the nice things thought.. from a level headed personal perspective, anytime I walk into the garage and look at an expensive asset, I take pride in knowing that I earned it. I worked hard to get it.

Take someone like AF, I find it hard to believe that he walks into the garage and looks at his corvette and says "yeah, that old mans schlong in my ass was totally worth it". Or, maybe it doesn't phase him because maybe that's now how it went down.

People aren't robots. When faced with traumatic experiences you spend a lifetime trying to distance yourself from it.

Would you want $3mm reasons to be reminded of an old mans schlong in your ass? Maybe. But if so, you're clearly not in line with what constitutes as "normal behavior". I've learned over my life not to trust people who show abnormal behavior.
Yet you trust Jerry or JZ? You just seem to pick and choose who is abnormal.
 
It shows that there is a tremendous lack of humility. I would think that someone who is a victim of CSA that wants to make a difference would want to extract money from those who enabled and donate (not all, but some) that money to survivor groups.

Someone like AF, who takes a pic on a 5* hotel bed making it rain all over himself while flipping the bird to the camera tells me he was thinking one of two things..
A) "Dumbasses, can't believe you bought it but oh well, the money is mine now"
B) "Being abused by JS was worth every penny"- I highly doubt anyone subjected to such abuse would ever consider that, but his photo tells a different story. To me at least.

I find it hard to believe that someone that has had such a torturous life would throw himself in front of the camera to make a scene. Most people I've encountered who have been abused in some sort of way feels shame.

AF doesn't hint at being remotely shamed whatsoever. Maybe he's just an exception to that rule, but I don't buy it.
Is this real life? You're judging him by his reaction to a lunatic attacking him nonstop.
 
Is this real life? You're judging him by his reaction to a lunatic attacking him nonstop.
I would think that the normal reaction would be a restraining order and harassment lawsuit.

No?

Maybe he didn't want to subject himself to discovery for other unrelated issues. What do I know.
 
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