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[kgilbert78]

And that is why there should be no association between the University and the frats. At all. Too much risk, not enough upside. Now, I do not think it is very common anymore, if it ever was, for students to die of alcohol poisoning in the dorms.

You are using a lot of strawman and over-extrapolated arguments in this thread.

Students *are* having similar accidents to Piazza in the dorm--and have been for many many years--though not all are fatal. But the death at Pitt is one example--as was the example I gave over 40 years ago that I saw the aftermath of. You don't soon forget a pool of blood at your dorm door entrance.

And, in fact, a simple Google search demonstrates that you are wrong about deaths from alcohol poisoning in the dorms. It's a problem there too.

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[demlion]

You are using a lot of strawman and over-extrapolated arguments in this thread.

Students *are* having similar accidents to Piazza in the dorm--and have been for many many years--though not all are fatal. But the death at Pitt is one example--as was the example I gave over 40 years ago that I saw the aftermath of. You don't soon forget a pool of blood at your dorm door entrance.

And, in fact, a simple Google search demonstrates that you are wrong about deaths from alcohol poisoning in the dorms. It's a problem there too.

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We are talking about PSU. I think it is way more controlled than it used to be in the dorms at PSU.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Your point goes out the window when you admit they did NOT avoid ANYTHING they were trying to avoid They still lost their charter, lost their house, sued by their alumni for $10 million, charged with manslaughter and 800 other charges.

This was not the FIRST kid to get drunk at a party and need medical attention. Happens ALL the time!!!! I know of kids that broke their backs after falling off a cliff, broken jaws, knocked out, hit in the head with a SWORD, brain injury and comas.

PSU played ZERO role in the kids death. This was 100% on Beta. PSU did charge the members with 800+ crimes. PSU did not sue the chapter for $10 million. PSU did not evict the chapter. PSU did not pull the charter. PSU did not do chit. Their alumni, national, local authorities all took care of business. These kids will be lucky if they are not sold to cell block D for a pack of smokes.

PS. YOU ARE saying they should dodge responsibility.

That's not what the DA that's running for re election has to say about this.

http://onwardstate.com/2017/05/10/s...how-its-going-to-be-surprising-who-knew-what/

 

[voltz99]

Well, Barron was right about one thing. Private property. That makes anything but the nuclear option (banning all Greek activities) a challenge. Heck, the house was under new rules regarding alcohol and had video to enforce those rules. They still ignored it. PSU did what they legally could here,

A public school can't prevent an off campus private group from operating on private property.

 

[voltz99]

And that is why there should be no association between the University and the frats. At all. Too much risk, not enough upside. Now, I do not think it is very common anymore, if it ever was, for students to die of alcohol poisoning in the dorms.

Should universities be associated with tailgaiting/100k person drinking parties?



The percentage of students, greeks, non greeks, dying of alcohol poisoning is probably about the same as it always was and 50 years from now it will still be the same.

 

[kgilbert78]

Should universities be associated with tailgaiting/100k person drinking parties?

They had that argument at tOSU a few years back. The then president was essentially fired over it--for trying to rein it in--and ticking off a lot of folks in so doing.

 

[demlion]

A public school can't prevent an off campus private group from operating on private property.

But it can disassociate itself from that private group.

 

[voltz99]

But it can disassociate itself from that private group.

True. At that point the universities have ZERO control over that private group. What do they accomplish?

Not really eliminating the risk either since all the members of that disaffiliated group are all still students who can use all the same facilities as any other student.

 

[demlion]

True. At that point the universities have ZERO control over that private group. What do they accomplish?

Not really eliminating the risk either since all the members of that disaffiliated group are all still students who can use all the same facilities as any other student.

They are eliminating the risk to the University. There is a difference between having students taking chances are on their own and having the University share in the liability when they have no way of making the frats conform. Not good for the safety of the students to drink themselves to death, but no good for the University to have to pay damages on top of that.

 

[voltz99]

They are eliminating the risk to the University. There is a difference between having students taking chances are on their own and having the University share in the liability when they have no way of making the frats conform. Not good for the safety of the students to drink themselves to death, but no good for the University to have to pay damages on top of that.

Like I said, they are not eliminating the risk. It just goes over your head. All the members of the organization are still students and will still have access to all university facilities.

Do you think PSU eliminated the risk when Sandusky retired?

 

[Nellie R]

Yep she, Stacy Parks Miller, (I never trust anyone with 3 names) had her moment in the sun and her free re-election ad spot.
Do you really believe all those charges are going to stick?
If you do google Marlyn Mosby and Baltimore.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Serious question to all: Based on how the media operates and how the DA is blatantly using this to further her political career, if this same thing happened off campus at an apartment do you think the media attention would be the same because those involved were Penn State students?

 

[lyndj]

The reason it keeps coming back to us and our culture is because our leadership is made up of incompetent toadies, including all of Old Main and the people who hired them.

Look, we all know this wasn't an issue exclusive to Penn State, but what did you expect of the media? It has nothing to do with our leadership and everything to do with Penn State having a humongous scandal a few years ago that still lingers even today with fans, alumni trustees, and trials that won't let it die and now here it is yet another incident surrounding Penn State. This too shall pass.

 

[jerseylion109]

itll pass but when that video comes out...the media storm will be huge

 

[PearlSUJam]

Yep she, Stacy Parks Miller, (I never trust anyone with 3 names) had her moment in the sun and her free re-election ad spot.
Do you really believe all those charges are going to stick?
If you do google Marlyn Mosby and Baltimore.

She's really on a roll adding huge amounts of charges to cases. If you think 800 is a lot for a group of guys, how about 700+ for one scumbag. I'm starting to believe she thinks she'll get a vote for every extra charge added.

http://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/man-facing-over-700-counts-of-child-abuse-charges/711151946

 

[MtNittany]

She's really on a roll adding huge amounts of charges to cases. If you think 800 is a lot for a group of guys, how about 700+ for one scumbag. I'm starting to believe she thinks she'll get a vote for every extra charge added.

http://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/man-facing-over-700-counts-of-child-abuse-charges/711151946

She comes from the "If you throw enough Botox at the wall..." school of prosecuting.

 

[AWS1022]

That is more delusional than MSN. Old Main did not throw the party, force their pledges to drink, videotape it, and not call 911.

Neither did Penn State University, but who's getting trashed in the media? It's called no leadership and a bad PR department.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

They are eliminating the risk to the University. There is a difference between having students taking chances are on their own and having the University share in the liability when they have no way of making the frats conform. Not good for the safety of the students to drink themselves to death, but no good for the University to have to pay damages on top of that.

Then the next complaint will be that the University is letting all those kids run wild with no supervision at all. And when a kid dies, they'll note that the University may have covered its ass legally, but morally they were obligated to do more (sound familiar)?

 

[lein]

didn't Barron shut down the Frat? That would be having some control

 

[L.T. Young]

reasonable person make this conclusion? All talk is again about Penn State culture. We have unfortunately been the home of another tragedy, but the fraternity is privately owned and PSU has almost no control over anything that goes on there. How can the MSM call this a PSU problem? Drinking is a national problem, on almost every campus. NBC interviews Barron and cuts him short on his answers. Gives SPM the DA most of the time. Tough to get away from these people!

I'm not defending the narrative in any way, shape, or form.

All that said, they made a half ass attempt to cover their tracks and that's what the sensationalist MSM is pointing to as "culture".

It's a hell of a reach, but so is claiming the last president was born in Kenya and the current one is a Russian sleeper. These are the times we live in. Truth and rational thought mean little these days.

 

[wensilver]

Serious question to all: Based on how the media operates and how the DA is blatantly using this to further her political career, if this same thing happened off campus at an apartment do you think the media attention would be the same because those involved were Penn State students?

IMO - no.

"Penn State Frat" is the clickbait here for the media.

I would like the Philadelphia media to perhaps ask more relevant questions about all the drug & alcohol awareness programming these young men have been exposed to in our area public/private schools since 5th grade - right up to Senior Prom - and why that didn't seem to cement itself with these young adults.

Why the extreme disconnect in the decision-making and why didn't any of their prior education on the dangers of binge-drinking and health risks kick in?

But that would take some time and research and I am not sure what the media's true motives are.