Musings on the CFB playoff

[NewEra 2014]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

 

[ryoder1]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

They need to eliminate ccg and just do seeding like March Madness does it. In hoops the conferences are more equitable but you are not guaranteed a 1 seed in a region just because you win your conference.

 

[africamurphy]

Each situation will be different. If the CCG participants are clearly better than team 3 and they play a close game, then they’ll probably stay ahead. If it’s a blowout, it’s hard to justify a super high seeding.

But the committee is in place to make the seeding fair. So 11-2 OSU (losing to Oregon in CCG) will still be above 11-1 PSU who they beat in State College. And 12-1 Oregon would be higher than PsU, even if OSU trucked them the second time around.

 

[OzLion]

The Conference Championship is a prize in of itself - Winning the B1G championship is something for a team to achieve and get a trophy for independent of the playoffs - and with 18 teams in a conference there really needs to be a conference championship game to have an even semi-fair way of determinizing a conference champion.

The conference champions should also get auto-bids in the playoff tournament; this is the way the hoops tourney works and it is quite successful - it adds suspense to the CCG and it allows a team to improve and catch fire as the season moves along (see PSU 2016, which would have gotten an auto-bid in the present system). I like that the four conference champions plus a "best of the other conferences" champ get bids. That makes it more interesting and provides opportunities for Cinderella stories in the playoffs.

Just my opinion. After all these decades we finally have a decent playoff system - let's not overthink it now.

 

[ram2020]

The Conference Championship is a prize in of itself - Winning the B1G championship is something for a team to achieve and get a trophy for independent of the playoffs - and with 18 teams in a conference there really needs to be a conference championship game to have an even semi-fair way of determinizing a conference champion.

The conference champions should also get auto-bids in the playoff tournament; this is the way the hoops tourney works and it is quite successful - it adds suspense to the CCG and it allows a team to improve and catch fire as the season moves along (see PSU 2016, which would have gotten an auto-bid in the present system). I like that the four conference champions plus a "best of the other conferences" champ get bids. That makes it more interesting and provides opportunities for Cinderella stories in the playoffs.

Just my opinion. After all these decades we finally have a decent playoff system - let's not overthink it now.

Hard to compare football and basketball in your scenario. In BB, every team in the conference makes the conference tournaments, so you can get a team like NC state shocking the world, win in 5 in a row, and claiming the ACC championship. In that scenario, they got an auto bid. But the two teams playing in a football championship, at least from the Big 10 and SEC, are presumably already going to be assured the playoffs so the CGC represents a chance to slide up or down the playoff rankings or get critical players hurt in an extra game.

 

[LMTLION]

I think the conference championship game is important and exciting, but I do think the seasons can be structured differently to accommodate the rigors of the playoff schedule. First, eliminate one non-Conference game (sorry Kent State or Temple.). Keep the 9 regularly scheduled conference games. Create a conference tournament weekend with the conference championship game embedded in that weekend while every other Conference team would play in a tournament type of game at a neutral regional site (think Philly, Chicago, Indy, LA.). That weekend serves as a 10th conference game for every school and a 12th regular season game for every school.

 

[Jerry]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

Yup, we were discussing this on a couple other threads where I expressed the view that the CCGs are overkill and counterproductive for various reasons in the age of an expanded playoff.

I mean, when you've got intelligent observers calculating that it would probably be better as a 1-loss team NOT to make the CCG, you know something is off track.

Another issue is the real possibility that an upset in that game by, say, a 3-loss or lower-ranked team from either the ACC or Big-12 could upset the seedings applecart and potentially end up leaving a more deserving team out in the cold.

The 12-team playoff is great but there can be too much of a good thing. The CCGs serve no purpose now except as money-makers for the networks and leagues...as well as a vehicle for lesser conferences to slip in a 2nd playoff team. Just my opinion.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

P4 +Highest Ranked Non-P4 Conference Champions should be guaranteed a Playoff spot, but it should have nothing to do with Seeding (just as it has nothing to do with March Madness seeding). Given the large differences in Conference strengths, it makes zero sense to pre-seed Conference Champions. An auto-birth should have nothing to do with seeding. In addition, Independents as a group should be considered a "Conference" when determining the 1 autobid for highest CFP Ranked Non-P4 Conference Champion. IOW, ND should probably get that autobid if they win out.

 

[summitlion1]

P4 +Highest Ranked Non-P4 Conference Champions should be guaranteed a Playoff spot, but it should have nothing to do with Seeding (just as it has nothing to do with March Madness seeding). Given the large differences in Conference strengths, it makes zero sense to pre-seed Conference Champions. An auto-birth should have nothing to do with seeding. In addition, Independents as a group should be considered a "Conference" when determining the 1 autobid for highest CFP Ranked Non-P4 Conference Champion. IOW, ND should probably get that autobid if they win out.

There is no way that the best independent should get an auto bid. There are currently 3 independents (ND, UConn and Massachusetts)

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

There is no way that the best independent should get an auto bid. There are currently 3 independents (ND, UConn and Massachusetts)

That's not what I said - apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong-suit. I said that the Independents should be lumped in with the Non-P4 Conferences with the highest CFP Ranked team getting the 5th auto-bid. Right now that would be ND..... instead of ND taking one of the 7 at-large spots.

 

[NoBareFeet]

If you are going to have these absurd 18 team conferences, you need to go back to 2 divisions per conference, and make it so each team's conference schedule consists of every other team in their division. So essentially, it's two conferences lumped into one. The Big Ten would look like this:

Big Ten East
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern

Big Ten West
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Wisconsin

Penn State would play all the other Big Ten East teams every year, (and maybe 1 team from the West, which changes every year) and the winner of the East plays the winner of the West in the Conference Championship game. Then a conference championship game loser isn't necessarily in the playoff if their division is significantly weaker than the other division in any given year.

 

[LandoComando]

That's not what I said - apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong-suit. I said that the Independents should be lumped in with the Non-P4 Conferences with the highest CFP Ranked team getting the 5th auto-bid. Right now that would be ND..... instead of ND taking one of the 7 at-large spots.

ND has to join a conference for that. I don't know how they're more worthy than Boise.

 

[LandoComando]

If you are going to have these absurd 18 team conferences, you need to go back to 2 divisions per conference, and make it so each team's conference schedule consists of every other team in their division. So essentially, it's two conferences lumped into one. The Big Ten would look like this:

Big Ten East
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern

Big Ten West
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Wisconsin

Penn State would play all the other Big Ten East teams every year, (and maybe 1 team from the West, which changes every year) and the winner of the East plays the winner of the West in the Conference Championship game. Then a conference championship game loser isn't necessarily in the playoff if their division is significantly weaker than the other division in any given year.

I like the schedule being mixed up better
This creates the same problem as the old divisions. The West is inferior. If Oregon has a down year it's even worse.

 

[mgkpsu]

If you are going to have these absurd 18 team conferences, you need to go back to 2 divisions per conference, and make it so each team's conference schedule consists of every other team in their division. So essentially, it's two conferences lumped into one. The Big Ten would look like this:

Big Ten East
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern

Big Ten West
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Wisconsin

Penn State would play all the other Big Ten East teams every year, (and maybe 1 team from the West, which changes every year) and the winner of the East plays the winner of the West in the Conference Championship game. Then a conference championship game loser isn't necessarily in the playoff if their division is significantly weaker than the other division in any given year.

We already saw what a dogshit West Division produces.

 

[84Lion]

What needs to happen:

o SEC and B1G break from NCAA
o SEC and B1G expand to 20 teams each
o SEC and B1G have 4 divisions each of 5 teams
o Play your other 4 division-mates each year
o Other games - total of 8 in-conference games and 4 OOC against the other conference (SEC teams play B1G or B1G plays SEC)
o End of regular season, have 4 division winners and 8 teams with the next best records get to a playoff, total of 12 B1G and 12 SEC teams.

Sounds like a lot, but assuming the division winners get byes, the first week winnows 16 teams down to 8 for a total of 16, which is only 4 more teams than we have now.

If you want a playoff, make it like the NFL.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

 

[PSUSignore]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

You're right. I suspect behind the scenes the conferences may be lobbying the committee to place the conference title game losers in those spots to protect the game and finances associated with it. If the committee doesn't do that, it sets the precedent that conference title games are meaningless. You might think that's not very important but if you have the top program start to intentionally position themselves to finish as #3 in the conference, a potentially risky move depending on how the standings look, then money associated with the conference title games may drop. And money is the one language the fools currently running this sport unequivocally understand. If the title game starts getting Indiana more frequently than Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, etc., the ratings likely drop and advertisers will pay less to advertise during the game.

Long term I expect the Big 10 and SEC will expand their conference title game at least into a mini conference tournament. More games for top programs equals more money, and it will help to overcome all of the tiebreaker and unbalanced schedules we now have thanks to the greedy play to have 18 team conferences. I envision we'll see a the top 4 in the conference play a semifinal and final to crown a champion, and then most of those teams will also move on to the main college football playoff tournament.

 

[LandoComando]

What needs to happen:

o SEC and B1G break from NCAA
o SEC and B1G expand to 20 teams each
o SEC and B1G have 4 divisions each of 5 teams
o Play your other 4 division-mates each year
o Other games - total of 8 in-conference games and 4 OOC against the other conference (SEC teams play B1G or B1G plays SEC)
o End of regular season, have 4 division winners and 8 teams with the next best records get to a playoff, total of 12 B1G and 12 SEC teams.

Sounds like a lot, but assuming the division winners get byes, the first week winnows 16 teams down to 8 for a total of 16, which is only 4 more teams than we have now.

If you want a playoff, make it like the NFL.

I'd be fine with this
I want 4 divisions of 12 (24 in each conference) where the top 4 in each division make the playoff. No committee--no opinion--top 4 records in the divisional play. 33% make the playoff--you can even have an "NIT" type playoff for 5-8 if you're okay with opt outs lol

 

[ryoder1]

You don't need a CCG. Declare a winner from the regular season. It shouldn't be controversial. Then seed teams for the playoffs. If that was the case we could move up to #4 where we are ranked now and you don't have this every conference championship game winner being entitled to a top 4 spot.

 

[KCLion]

You don't need a CCG. Declare a winner from the regular season. It shouldn't be controversial. Then seed teams for the playoffs. If that was the case we could move up to #4 where we are ranked now and you don't have this every conference championship game winner being entitled to a top 4 spot.

What if Indiana and Oregon finish undefeated? How do you declare a “non-controversial conference champion”?

 

[LandoComando]

What if Indiana and Oregon finish undefeated? How do you declare a “non-controversial conference champion”?

SOS

 

[WPB_lion]

Sorry in advance for rambling. The CFB playoff needs to be tweaked, or conference championship games need to end.

The way the current playoff is set up, it is highly conceivable that a team who didn’t play in a conference championship game ends up better off than a conference championship loser. Better seeding, hosting a home playoff game, etc.

The only way his doesn’t happen is if the conference championship losers are given the 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) seed, no matter their record.

So you could easily have a team from the SEC or BIG that loses its conference championship game seeded higher than other conference teams, even with 1 more loss than those other teams. I guess I’m ok with that.

Or, you expand the field to 16 teams, with no playoff byes and all conference champs getting the highest seeds. That might help the situation.

But what really needs to happen is for the conference championship games to go away. I know it won’t happen, but it is fun to think about.

16 teams, no byes, and conference champion gets automatic bid. The Conference chamion's win in the CCG should be given enhanced significance for seeding purposes (and automatically become the top seed for the conference) and the other team's loss in the CCG should have no consequence in seeding or qualifying for the playoffs (other than being seeded behind the conference champion). Eliminate 1 regular season game (or move playoffs back one week) and allow one more week of rest between CCG and Playoffs. All higher seeds get home games until the Championship Game which will be played in different locations each year similar to the Superbowl.

 

[84Lion]

I'd be fine with this
I want 4 divisions of 12 *24 in each conference) where the top 4 in each division make the playoff. No committee--no opinion--top 4 records in the divisional play. 33% make the playoff--you can even have an "NIT" type playoff for 5-8 if you're okay with opt outs lol

Yeah, I could live with that.

My point about going with 24 out of 40 (more than half) making it to the playoffs insures that even marginal teams will get a shot. And it would give all the teams that would've had a bowl game a meaningful bowl game - and possibly more. No more (or very few) opt outs. Let's face it, the top teams are going to win pretty consistently anyway. When was the last time a play-in team won the NCAA basketball tournament?

Would be fun to see the top SEC team play the top B1G team consistently. It would be a lot like the playoff runup to the Super Bowl - best games would be in-conference (e.g. - NFC and AFC championships) and not necessarily the SB itself.

 

[ryoder1]

What if Indiana and Oregon finish undefeated? How do you declare a “non-controversial conference champion”?

They then can be seeded 1 and 2 in the playoffs and eventually meet for the NC game. They can share a conf. title.

 

[LandoComando]

Yeah, I could live with that.

My point about going with 24 out of 40 (more than half) making it to the playoffs insures that even marginal teams will get a shot. And it would give all the teams that would've had a bowl game a meaningful bowl game - and possibly more. No more (or very few) opt outs. Let's face it, the top teams are going to win pretty consistently anyway. When was the last time a play-in team won the NCAA basketball tournament?

Would be fun to see the top SEC team play the top B1G team consistently. It would be a lot like the playoff runup to the Super Bowl - best games would be in-conference (e.g. - NFC and AFC championships) and not necessarily the SB itself.

Agreed...I'd love to see those matchups. Especially some at Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan...even Oregon...let's see how they deal with the cold

 

[LandoComando]

CFP rankings. They then could be seeded 1 and 2 in the playoffs and eventually meet for the NC game.

Agreed I see no issue with this. I'd use conference records strength but the rankings would match that anyway.

 

[Parkland Fan]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

So you expect a logical reorganization from the NCAA? I totally agree with most of your conferences, but it will never happen.

 

[LandoComando]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

This isn't a charity. The Big 8 + 2 is awful as is the ACC. Doesn't work...good for College Football 25 if you play video games though

 

[Parkland Fan]

I'd be fine with this
I want 4 divisions of 12 (24 in each conference) where the top 4 in each division make the playoff. No committee--no opinion--top 4 records in the divisional play. 33% make the playoff--you can even have an "NIT" type playoff for 5-8 if you're okay with opt outs lol

The idea of an "NIT" type playoff is interesting. It could fit into the bowl system.

 

[LMTLION]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

While making logistical sense, your setup will never come to fruition as it produces a lot less revenue, particularly for schools like PSU.

 

[LandoComando]

While making logistical sense, your setup will never come to fruition as it produces a lot less revenue, particularly for schools like PSU.

And the SEC schools would never, ever consider this--ever.

 

[RickinDayton]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

BIG EAST: Substitute PITT for Temple.

 

[ryoder1]

While making logistical sense, your setup will never come to fruition as it produces a lot less revenue, particularly for schools like PSU.

They are not going to reduce the # of playoff teams. No way. We will be at 16 in 5-10 years and 24 within 20 years.

 

[LandoComando]

They are not going to reduce the # of playoff teams. No way. We will be at 16 in 5-10 years and 24 within 20 years.

Agreed--unless the top level reaches just 40/48 teams but even then it's going to be 16
We definitely get to 24 if it stays as is--with the Big Ten/SEC both getting 6+ auto bids.

 

[KCLion]

They then can be seeded 1 and 2 in the playoffs and eventually meet for the NC game. They can share a conf. title.

That’s not going to be a “non-controversial” conference champion solution, especially if they both then get beat in the playoff.

 

[NoBareFeet]

BIG EAST: Substitute PITT for Temple.

You're right. Missed them.

 

[rrdd2021]

Reorganize everything. 7 major conference champions, and 1 at large selection. 8 team playoff.

Big Ten
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
Florida
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Big East
Penn State
Syracuse
West Virginia
Miami
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Temple
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Louisville

ACC
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Virginia
Maryland
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
Nebraska
Colorado
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor

Big 8+2
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Colorado State
Boise State
Iowa State
SMU
Cincinnati
Utah
BYU

Seriously? It's all about TV $$$$ and the B1G controls around 51% of the TV markets in the country. I believe - could be wrong - that the SEC controls around 30 to 33%. Good luck in trying to convince those two conferences to reorganize. Has about a good of a chance as a snowball in he!l. Why do you think teams from all over the country are trying to get into the B1G? $$$$$$

 

[LandoComando]

Seriously? It's all about TV $$$$ and the B1G controls around 51% of the TV markets in the country. I believe - could be wrong - that the SEC controls around 30 to 33%. Good luck in trying to convince those two conferences to reorganize. Has about a good of a chance as a snowball in he!l. Why do you think teams from all over the country are trying to get into the B1G? $$$$$$

Yupp--if anything the SEC and Big Ten take a few more schools--they aren't going to break it up and include more